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Offline Untidy Shop

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Up untill my last purchase,  I have never regretted purchasing a Festool Tool or accessory. This last purchase was a Dust Bsg for my HK55.

 It soon fills and even 1/3 full there is saw dust shedding straight off the blade and over the rail and me. There is much better sawdust removal with no bag and if the exhaust nozzle is angled away from me and the rail, or indeed a dust extractor is fitted.

I wasted A$72.00 on a flimsy textile bag which could have been better spent on a second saw blade.

Be warned.

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Offline Gordon Bombay

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2017, 09:53 PM »
I regret purchasing the carvex. Really wasn't a fan.
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2017, 10:28 PM »
Surfix
Compact Cleaning Kit
TSC 55 - Didn't run it; just immediately returned after putting on the bag.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: March 13, 2017, 10:32 PM by yetihunter »

Offline bub254

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 10:55 PM »
Any particular reason you didn't like the compact cleaning kit?

I found the Track hose deflector to be pretty worthless myself.


Offline Dan-

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 11:17 PM »
Carvex definitely. It's my only festool that shoots dust into my eyes. Could have gotten a Bosch that does the same thing.

Offline Untidy Shop

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2017, 11:31 PM »
I should have added, no KS120 posts please. There are plenty of alternative threads on that!  [eek]
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Offline Nat X

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2017, 11:40 PM »
The non-velcro pad for the RS 2 E and accompanying hole punch. Seemed like a good idea at the time to be able to use any paper I wanted, but it tears so quickly that the cost of that and the associated accessories more than outweighs the cost of just buying the Granat sheets. Complete and total waste.

Offline Bohdan

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2017, 11:49 PM »
There is much better sawdust removal with no bag and if the exhaust nozzle is angled away from me and the rail, or indeed a dust extractor is fitted.

If I'm working without the CT I just attach the hose to the saw and most of the dust finishes inside the hose instead of in my face.

Offline Scorpion

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2017, 11:54 PM »
Carved accessory kit. 


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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2017, 12:09 AM »
Any particular reason you didn't like the compact cleaning kit?

I found the Track hose deflector to be pretty worthless myself.

Lack of use, and I didn't do my homework on the the tubes being polpropylene ala shopvacs and whatnot.  It's a tactile thing, I dislike the feel.  [tongue]
I also bought the kit with the 36mm anti-static hose, steel tubes and "industrial" floor nozzle. It's more to my liking. However, the hose does want to slip off, and said hose would be better off if it wasn't a rigid anti-static version.   Easily solved by using a different hose. :0

 
Like all other vac situations in my life, most of the attachments sit on a shelf, collecting dust (pun intended) because  the vac sucks stuff up better without them.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2017, 12:11 AM by yetihunter »

Offline Gwerner

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2017, 01:13 AM »
Yep, the Carvex. I got sucked in by all of the accessories available for it and I absolutely hate using this jig saw. I love every other Festool I own, but wish I'd gone with the Bosch for my jigsaw.

Offline Jim Green

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2017, 01:14 AM »
Accessories-Ct wing, works ok thought I would use it more
                 -Kapex crown stops, why did I buy them I cut my crown flat?
                 -centrotec extension bit, annoying to use bit slips all the time
                 -centrotec locking bit holder terrible
                 -this is probably all my fault as I live in Canada where we use #2         
Robertson and #10 torx which festool does not make?
                 Thank You atlas, snappy etc.
         Tools- Ro 90 I found it difficult to hold and keep flat but probably works great for some people
                 -I returned hkc55 for the corded model, I found it underpowered for my uses, I wanted to love it but unless you are cutting thin material and don't mind splintering get the hk55 its great, happy for Festools 30 day return policy
                 

Offline Jim Green

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2017, 01:20 AM »
I had a coworker who bought the carvex and accessory kit. Not good. I had a trion, it was ok but needed cordless and bought Makita brushless barrel grip, it's awesome.

Offline Flatsawn

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2017, 01:28 AM »
Festool 497701 Workshop Cleaning Set:   I hate the way the hose comes off from the steel tube at the handle section.
                                                  Dominos:   got the systainer full but never used them. I found using my cut offs
                                                                            too tempting. What else can you do with scrap? but make dominos

Offline jonathan-m

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2017, 02:39 AM »
RO 90 & Vecturo
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Offline charley1968

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2017, 02:45 AM »
The Vecturo. But that's cuz i hardly ever use it.
Just for today..

Offline Kev

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2017, 03:08 AM »
Vecturo ... wish all they bothered making was the guide to fit the Fein.

Carvex 400 ... just don't use it. I really get along well with the Cordless Carvex 420.

I don't love the CMS rip fence ...

Offline tony_sheehan

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2017, 03:49 AM »
Carvex.
C15: I actually like the C15 a lot and use it all the time, but I wish I'd gone for the cxs instead.

Offline DB10

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2017, 04:36 AM »
I quite like my cordless  Carvex 420. But the accessory systainer has proved to be a big waste of money for me.

Offline mrB

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2017, 05:25 AM »
A few years back my Carvex 400 went back immediately why it didn't have the blade guides I'll never understand, that's what makes the festool jigsaws so accurate. They fixed this with the Carvex 420 which i bought and love (18v).

A C12 went back immediately also. Despite my love for the cxs i hate the ergonomics of the bigger c-drills and the c12 was so lacking in power.
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Offline Edward A Reno III

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2017, 06:01 AM »
+1 on the Carvex accessory kit.

And the guide rail deflector.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2017, 06:46 AM »
80% of the Carvex accessory kit. I use the angled baseplate and circle maker.

Offline Shadytree

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2017, 07:18 AM »
Accessories-Ct wing, works ok thought I would use it more
                 -Kapex crown stops, why did I buy them I cut my crown flat?
                 -centrotec extension bit, annoying to use bit slips all the time
                 -centrotec locking bit holder terrible
                 -this is probably all my fault as I live in Canada where we use #2         
Robertson and #10 torx which festool does not make?
                 Thank You atlas, snappy etc.
         Tools- Ro 90 I found it difficult to hold and keep flat but probably works great for some people
                 -I returned hkc55 for the corded model, I found it underpowered for my uses, I wanted to love it but unless you are cutting thin material and don't mind splintering get the hk55 its great, happy for Festools 30 day return policy
                 

That's funny because I bought the HK55, found it underpowered, & returned it for the HKC (I think the HKC is similarly underpowered but at least it's cordless). Couldn't be happier with the HKC.

My biggest Festool purchase regret though is the HL 850 planer with the accessory heads.

Offline Reiska

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2017, 07:49 AM »
- Surfix Kit - I think I've used 1 item of it ever, not sure if any of the liquids are still usable after years in the cupboard
- Carvex PS400 - worst piece of crap ever and the PS420 isn't much better, but atleast it stays mostly square (but still burns blades)
- The TI-15 impact driver - stupid extension construction and underpowered for an impact. After the introduction of the DRC 18/4 Set its totally useless
- Shinex RAP-150 Set - I've polished the cars twice in the last three years I've had the Shinex... Got it cheap, but still an awfully large box (Maxi Systainer) taking up space for being used for 2 days in three years... Could have taken both cars to the clearners for the 5 years for the price of this thing.
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2017, 08:12 AM »
I don't love the CMS rip fence ...

Add me to that list.

Luckily, now have the Incra LS to resolve that particular disappointment.
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Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2017, 08:20 AM »
The first one (a Domino) which is a great tool, but it started a trend that now includes a couple of sanders, a drill, a couple of routers, a table, accessories, a vacuum, a table - you've been there...  First the heel, then the toe, then there you go, dancing down the Festool road.

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                 -centrotec extension bit, annoying to use bit slips all the time
                 -centrotec locking bit holder terrible
...                 

Ditto.  Snappy to the rescue.

Offline kdzito

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2017, 09:28 AM »
The parallel guides.  I really gave them a chance but in the end I couldn't take it anymore.  They are heavy and the yoke from the extensions for cutting narrow stock gets in the way.  Then I resorted to using a ruler with a ruler stop while abutting it the cut's waste side to get my narrow cuts.  And I just bought the Precision Parallel Guides, have yet to try them and I'm hopeful they will be what I'm looking for. 
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Offline waterloomarc

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2017, 09:40 AM »
I'm least happy with my jigsaw. Not the carvex but the one before (can't remember the name right now!). It's just impossible to see where I'm cutting with the dust shroud on. I can't see the blade.

Offline estley

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2017, 10:17 AM »
the guide rail accessory kit... i've had it for 5-6 years, and i have yet to use it


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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2017, 10:43 AM »
The first one (a Domino) which is a great tool, but it started a trend that now includes a couple of sanders, a drill, a couple of routers, a table, accessories, a vacuum, a table - you've been there...  First the heel, then the toe, then there you go, dancing down the Festool road.

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                 -centrotec extension bit, annoying to use bit slips all the time
                 -centrotec locking bit holder terrible
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Ditto.  Snappy to the rescue.

I am curious about the slipping on the Centrotec extension. Are you talking about the 492540 6" bit holder? I have several of those and have used them when needed. I haven't noticed any slipping but maybe I just missed it. What exactly is slipping?

The locking holder .... I have one but never really used it since I like the magnetic one better.

Carvex 400 never made it to the US except for a few test it out tools.

    It is interesting to see what items people find useful and others have no use for.

Seth

Offline Alex

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2017, 10:43 AM »
No rAgrets.

I'm always looking for sales or used items, so I hardly buy anything for the full retail price. If something doesn't work out I sell it again for what I paid for it or more.


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Offline jbuss8706

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2017, 11:04 AM »
As a new to Festool owner, this thread has helped me tremendously. I've been keeping my eye out for a Carvex, but honestly I have a Bosch that works just fine. It is purely for want of another Festool product that fits nicely in it's own systainer. thanks for helping me get over that hump :)

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2017, 11:06 AM »
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I am curious about the slipping on the Centrotec extension. Are you talking about the 492540 6" bit holder? I have several of those and have used them when needed. I haven't noticed any slipping but maybe I just missed it. What exactly is slipping?
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It is interesting to see what items people find useful and others have no use for.

Seth

WRT slipping, my experience was that 1/4" ball detent straight bits wobbled so badly that they slipped in the slot.  I got the Snappy Centrotec to 1/4" ball detent adaptor and use now anytime I'm using a 1/4" ball detent bit.  Wish Festool made a 1/4" ball detent chuck to compliment the Centrotec chuck.

WRT to usefulness, everyone has their own pattern of work - it is interesting to see how other people accomplish the same tasks different ways, and how differences in work patterns make for differences in the usefulness and value of different tools.  That's one of things that keeps me coming back to FOG.  The great serendipity moments for me are when someone describes a technique for doing a job that I would never do, but I am then able to apply their technique to a problem that I need to solve.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2017, 11:42 AM »
And the guide rail deflector.

+1 on the guide rail deflector

I purchased it to solve a problem and instead it created another problem.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2017, 11:45 AM »
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I am curious about the slipping on the Centrotec extension. Are you talking about the 492540 6" bit holder? I have several of those and have used them when needed. I haven't noticed any slipping but maybe I just missed it. What exactly is slipping?
...
It is interesting to see what items people find useful and others have no use for.

Seth

WRT slipping, my experience was that 1/4" ball detent straight bits wobbled so badly that they slipped in the slot.  I got the Snappy Centrotec to 1/4" ball detent adaptor and use now anytime I'm using a 1/4" ball detent bit.  Wish Festool made a 1/4" ball detent chuck to compliment the Centrotec chuck.

WRT to usefulness, everyone has their own pattern of work - it is interesting to see how other people accomplish the same tasks different ways, and how differences in work patterns make for differences in the usefulness and value of different tools.  That's one of things that keeps me coming back to FOG.  The great serendipity moments for me are when someone describes a technique for doing a job that I would never do, but I am then able to apply their technique to a problem that I need to solve.

Sorry for going OT on Centrotec ..... please see this topic http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/centrotec/new/#new

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2017, 11:46 AM »
And the guide rail deflector.

+1 on the guide rail deflector

I purchased it to solve a problem and instead it created another problem.

A perfect example ............... I like the guide rail deflector it works for my cutting table set up.

Seth

Offline bkharman

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2017, 11:51 AM »
Not so much a regret... but I wish I had known a bit more about the many, many ways i could use the dog holes on the MFT early on.  If I had, I wouldn't have bought the kit, I would have just bought the MFT/3 Basic as I really don't use anything but the table and my add on accessories.

I also wish in the US, we could buy just the CMS-VL without the fence as I KNEW what I was going to do with that project!

On another note, I have always been a fan of my Carvex 420... it has always treated me well.

cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2017, 01:49 PM »
The hk55,  I thought it was going to be a great saw, but it's inability to cut 2x on a 45 degree bevel makes it useless as a construction saw. 

Offline schneems

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2017, 01:59 PM »
@bkharman can you say more about your MFT setup? I have a track saw but no table, i'm cutting on the floor for now. I've got a craigslist alert and I think I want the full table with angle guide and everything. Would love to learn more about how you've got things set up.

Also for some reference, i've got a small shop, so i'm trying to get as much mileage out of the track saw as I can. No room for a permanent chop saw, table saw, etc. I was thinking the full MFT would help replace a few other tools (even if it's not an ideal replacement).

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2017, 02:08 PM »
@bkharman can you say more about your MFT setup? I have a track saw but no table, i'm cutting on the floor for now. I've got a craigslist alert and I think I want the full table with angle guide and everything. Would love to learn more about how you've got things set up.

Also for some reference, i've got a small shop, so i'm trying to get as much mileage out of the track saw as I can. No room for a permanent chop saw, table saw, etc. I was thinking the full MFT would help replace a few other tools (even if it's not an ideal replacement).

Sure.  I use my MFT as support for the CMS-VL.  I use the router attachment, and other NAINA setups.  I also have an Incra fence on it to get accurate and repeatable routes/cuts/etc.  If you are just using the MFT as a cutting station, you will probably accomplish what you need.  If i treat mine as a cutting station, I personally have adopted using rail dogs or just lay the workpiece on the top and cut using two reference marks on the plywood or workpiece.  I have a TS unit, a chopsaw, a jigsaw  and a 55 to cut with so I have a few more options than you do.  If you are looking for a one stop shop, the cutting table (search this forum for ideas) might fit 99% of your needs.

PM or reply here if you need some more details and pics.

cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline RustE

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2017, 02:11 PM »
The hk55,  I thought it was going to be a great saw, but it's inability to cut 2x on a 45 degree bevel makes it useless as a construction saw.

I'm guessing this is with the saw on the FSK guide rail?

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2017, 02:27 PM »
The hk55,  I thought it was going to be a great saw, but it's inability to cut 2x on a 45 degree bevel makes it useless as a construction saw.

I'm guessing this is with the saw on the FSK guide rail?


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Offline Samo

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2017, 03:46 PM »
"I also wish in the US, we could buy just the CMS-VL".  [dead horse]

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2017, 04:08 PM »
I bought the rail stop kits for my routing needs.  But now that I have a router table I have no real need for the, at all.  I've used them maybe once. [eek]
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Offline bobfog

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2017, 04:15 PM »
Not really, but I think I dodged a bullet by doing a side-by-side of the Carvex 420 alongside the Bosch 160, and got the Bosch.

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2017, 04:20 PM »
If I'm working without the CT I just attach the hose to the saw and most of the dust finishes inside the hose instead of in my face.
I have been known to do the same. Works pretty well for a few quick cuts.

And the guide rail deflector.

+1 on the guide rail deflector

I purchased it to solve a problem and instead it created another problem.
I no longer use mine either.

My add-on to this thread is the Festool miter gauge for the tracksaw. First it required immediate modification to be functional as it didn't have enough friction to hold an angle. Second it...well sucks. Fortunately aftermarket companies have stepped in and filled the void.


Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2017, 10:53 PM »
The parallel guides.  I really gave them a chance but in the end I couldn't take it anymore.  They are heavy and the yoke from the extensions for cutting narrow stock gets in the way.  Then I resorted to using a ruler with a ruler stop while abutting it the cut's waste side to get my narrow cuts.  And I just bought the Precision Parallel Guides, have yet to try them and I'm hopeful they will be what I'm looking for.

Yeah, I agree.  Expensive.  Heavy.  Poorly designed with no cursor for precise location on the measurement strip.  Difficult to slide into position.  Must hang off the ends.  Clumsy.

I made my own from plywood in an extra long and regular version.  They work much better and are easier to use.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2017, 11:40 PM »
I try and research things before I buy, so no real regrets. But I have sold both my Trion and Carvex jigsaws and the accessory set as I find Bosch and Mafell to fit my needs better. I have changed drills and sold off older ones. But other than that no real regrets. There are certainly tools I use more often, but when the need arises for a particular tool or accessory I am glad to have some options.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2017, 12:34 AM »
Planex and it was returned.
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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2017, 02:17 AM »
It's funny isn't it. . how different people rate or dismiss the same product! There are several post here bashing the Carvex 420 and Trion Jigsaws . . . .

I have never used better jigsaws (not used maffel but used several high end bosch & makita). And I have never burned up a blade unless I knew I was overworking the wrong blade for the cut.

Literally everyone who uses one of my jigsaws (after I have set the blade guides for the current blade) exclaims at how good they are!! Honestly this is true.  In fact one fella once put down my Carvex 18v, after cutting quite a complex hole through the rail of an oak door, and exclaimed "Festool is like Crack man, seriously addictive".
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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2017, 02:22 AM »
i dont regret anything really, i think every penny spent on tools is better than a few rounds of beers with the guys and have nothing to show for but many trips to the unrinal.
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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2017, 08:02 AM »
As a new to Festool owner, this thread has helped me tremendously. I've been keeping my eye out for a Carvex, but honestly I have a Bosch that works just fine. It is purely for want of another Festool product that fits nicely in it's own systainer. thanks for helping me get over that hump :)
I don't dislike my carvex.  I wish I'd got the cordless version but I still don't dislike mine.  I don't find jigsaws to be precision tools in general but they have their purpose.  If I can avoid using one I do.  I like how the light works on the saw, the dust collection (sorta), and how it has a variety if base plates for a variety of materials/situations (thought I really only use a few of them). 


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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2017, 08:37 AM »
i dont regret anything really, i think every penny spent on tools is better than a few rounds of beers with the guys and have nothing to show for but many trips to the unrinal.
  I'm with you on this.  Although I do have an occasional one.
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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2017, 08:56 AM »
It's funny isn't it. . how different people rate or dismiss the same product! There are several post here bashing the Carvex 420 and Trion Jigsaws . . . .

You're right, Seth mentioned the same thing in post 36... [tongue]

Funny thing is, I like both my Trion and Carvex saws. Still own them...still use them, a ton better than the Milwaukee I used to own.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2017, 08:59 AM »
It's funny isn't it. . how different people rate or dismiss the same product! There are several post here bashing the Carvex 420 and Trion Jigsaws . . . .

 
I too like my Carvex 420 and love that it's cordless!
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« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2017, 10:52 AM »
The Kapex, hands down.  The danged thing isn't even close to being accurate.  Of by as much as a degree or so.  Inexcusable.

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« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2017, 01:57 PM »
My CMS VL.  Fence is clumsy, multiple parts of the table top and edges aren't perfectly coplaner.  I thought I could use my Kapex wings with this for infeed and outfeed, but that creates another surface that doesn't quite line up right.  Sliding table is great until saw dust cakes inside the tracks, so you have to check the tracks frequently if using the table.  It is nice that it can serve as an extension to my MFT when the router is not in use.  I think eventually a dedicated table and router with a cast iron top will replace it. 
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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2017, 04:23 PM »
I'm one of those neurotics that tends to buy all accessories for my tools knowing tha usually I will find a use for them.  That being said I have quite a few things that I do not use regularly.  I agree with quite a few posters that often making some of the accessories reguires some tweeking to make them usefull.  The CMS fence really was a pain to adjust minutely so I bought Woodpeckers fence adjustor and modified a 4"x 2" heavy channel to give me fine adjustment.  It works so well I'm considering buying another and replacing the Incra LS adjustor on my older large table.  As far as the carvex complaints, I have the corded and cordless versions, and love them both.  My personal op is that most problems are with adjusting the guides to individual blades.  I have an older Bosch, the 1582 barrel that I've had 30 years that is also a good saw.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2017, 05:02 PM »
I'm one of those neurotics that tends to buy all accessories for my tools knowing tha usually I will find a use for them.  That being said I have quite a few things that I do not use regularly.  I agree with quite a few posters that often making some of the accessories reguires some tweeking to make them usefull.  The CMS fence really was a pain to adjust minutely so I bought Woodpeckers fence adjustor and modified a 4"x 2" heavy channel to give me fine adjustment.  It works so well I'm considering buying another and replacing the Incra LS adjustor on my older large table.  As far as the carvex complaints, I have the corded and cordless versions, and love them both.  My personal op is that most problems are with adjusting the guides to individual blades.  I have an older Bosch, the 1582 barrel that I've had 30 years that is also a good saw.

Could you start another thread with some pictures and an explanation of your router fence?

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« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2017, 09:15 PM »
Sorry Harvey, My pics will not attachand I have not taken the time to figure out why.  Some of my earlier posts have some pics but lately nothing sticks...I keep getting a Fakepath messange.

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« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2017, 09:34 PM »
I too like my Carvex 420 and love that it's cordless!

I envy you...I wish I would have opted for the cordless Carvex...but I was way into the Milwaukee battery platform at the time.  [sad] [crying] [sad]

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Offline Flatsawn

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #61 on: March 15, 2017, 11:08 PM »
I regret buying the CXS because it's mia I can't find it anywhere. Now I'm going to have to buy another [mad]

Offline ScotF

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« Reply #62 on: March 15, 2017, 11:57 PM »
The Trion and Carvex were both good saws and I never had issues with adjusting blade guides. But, I did have challenges cutting straight on the rail or using a fence. The Carvex had a slight amount of where the base mounted to the saw and this caused some inaccuracies. I might buy a cordless version, though, as I think it is the best cordless option available and having one would be perfect in many applications. I would probably just get the saw as the bases really were not useful for most of my cutting needs.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2017, 01:27 AM »
I wouldn't call it a regret, but I did end up selling my Carvex. It's fine and all, but I didn't think it was good enough to justify the extra money.

I bought a Bosch 470 instead. I will miss the led lights, but not adjusting the g-d blade guide all the time.
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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2017, 09:24 AM »
@bkharman can you say more about your MFT setup? I have a track saw but no table, i'm cutting on the floor for now. I've got a craigslist alert and I think I want the full table with angle guide and everything. Would love to learn more about how you've got things set up.

Also for some reference, i've got a small shop, so i'm trying to get as much mileage out of the track saw as I can. No room for a permanent chop saw, table saw, etc. I was thinking the full MFT would help replace a few other tools (even if it's not an ideal replacement).

By the way @schneems , If you still want the full kit and only find the table on CL or elsewhere, I will be glad to sell you the rest of it (maybe minus the small rail) on the cheap.  It just sits on a shelf for the most part collecting dust (not sawdust!).

cheers.  Bryan.
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Offline john5mt

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2017, 11:16 AM »
Track saw accessory kit. Sat on the shelf forever. Stupid miter gauge wasn't accurate. Seems like they took another stab at it with the hkc

D 93 sander. I always end up using the ro90

Buying two 55inch tracks instead of getting a 55 and a 118

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Offline Cheese

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« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2017, 11:42 AM »
The Kapex, hands down.  The danged thing isn't even close to being accurate.  Of by as much as a degree or so.  Inexcusable.

Just adjust the Kapex. Look at the Kapex Supplemental Users Manual, page 24.

From the factory, my Kapex was within .12º and after some tweaking I got it to within .05º.

https://www.festoolusa.com/media/pdf/Kapex-KS120-Supplemental-Manual.pdf
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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2017, 12:27 PM »
I wouldn't call it a regret, but I did end up selling my Carvex. It's fine and all, but I didn't think it was good enough to justify the extra money.

I bought a Bosch 470 instead. I will miss the led lights, but not adjusting the g-d blade guide all the time.


I bought the Bosch JS572 and it has a LED light and great dust collection.  After reading all the problems with the Carvex and friends that have it telling me not to buy it I bought the Bosch and it's amazing. 

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2017, 12:36 PM »
I thought about the 572, but it was $100 more, and I don't really use it enough to justify just for some lights. And I like Bosch's dust blower, it goes all over (like every jigsaw) but at least I can see my cut line.
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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2017, 12:44 PM »
Guide rail end deflector just doesn't work and Carvex accessory sys, never use anything in it. That's it.

Offline jaykojc

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« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2017, 05:13 PM »
OF 1400.  It was too big to be convenient but not powerful enough to replace a true 3hp router.  I found the ergonomics of the strange handle setup to be awkward.  Bad visibility.  Given the price and the competition in this space, it should certainly have LEDs or some sort of light.  Sold and bought the 2200.  Might get the 1100 for small work/with the shelf pin jig.

Offline kmharrigan

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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2017, 07:04 PM »
The only thing that I regret purchasing was the Kapex saw w/stand and extensions. The Kapex saw is only a 10" saw, I install cabinets for a living, a 10" saw just doesn't cut it. My only regret for the kapex was in the returning of the saw, stand and extensions. I was only able to return the saw and not the stand and extensions. So now  I am stuck with the stand and extensions that I cannot use at a cost of $888.00. If anyone is need of a kapex. stand & extensions I will happy to let them go at a discounted rate.

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Offline Flatsawn

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2017, 09:04 PM »
That goofy tape measure. Would never retract correctly. I gave it to my wife (actually I just let it sit on the counter) She uses it because she doesn't know the difference.
 But I'm glad I bought the cxs drill because I found it  [big grin] It was the last place I looked. Why is everything I find in the last place I look? [unsure]

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« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2017, 01:00 PM »
cl12 drill ts15 drill and trion jig saw.  Totally unacceptable tools, in the systainer using makita, dewalt tools.  I have no issue with ALL of the other festool tools i own like, kapex, ts75, six 1080's, mfs 400 and 700, all of the sanders toolie tools tapes, ETC ETC I am a Festool Nut, but for me NO DRILLS AND NO JIG SAW

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #74 on: March 23, 2017, 07:13 AM »
Kapex hands down.  I kept trying to like it, but I should have just given up and returned it.  Instead I sold it for a fair loss a few months later.

I'll also put on my flame suit and say the Domino too.   I still use it from time to time, but its so fiddly, never as accurate as I'd like, so much room for error, and so un-egronomic.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2017, 09:13 AM »
Why is everything I find in the last place I look? [unsure]

Mark

Because if you found it, why would you keep looking for it?
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Offline rlamb007

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2017, 10:30 AM »
Parallel Guide for the Track saw - For me it is very cumbersome and hard to set. I have spent WAY to much time trying to calibrate
 and set it up. And being Metric only, adds another level of complexity. Now I use simple plywood sliding sticks.  The Festool Parallel guides have not be used in a long time.

Offline Edward A Reno III

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« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2017, 02:56 PM »
Hmmm...brave man.  Just curious, where are you getting the errors?

I'll also put on my flame suit and say the Domino too.   I still use it from time to time, but its so fiddly, never as accurate as I'd like, so much room for error, and so un-egronomic.
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Offline jaguar36

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2017, 01:18 PM »
Hmmm...brave man.  Just curious, where are you getting the errors?

I'll also put on my flame suit and say the Domino too.   I still use it from time to time, but its so fiddly, never as accurate as I'd like, so much room for error, and so un-egronomic.
Some errors come from the multitude of adjustments that need to be made on the tool: bit, depth, height, angle, width.  I'll sometimes forget to change one of them, which can be disastrous.  By accuracy I just mean that when I try to glue up a panel, the faces rarely end up perfect and require to much sanding.  The outrigger guides are basically worthless, they don't stay attached well, and its far to easy for little position errors to accumulate on a long run making the dominos not line up.

Most of this is certainly user error, but I feel like there are just way to many ways for the user to make errors with a domino.

Offline Runhard

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« Reply #79 on: April 09, 2017, 11:39 AM »
Hose Hook   [embarassed]

I just received the hose hook and discovered that it is not compatible with the new CT dust extractors. I should have read the details better as it is for the older CT11, 22, and 33. I thought that there was a hose hook for the newer CTs.  [scratch chin]
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Offline Woodwork Wizard

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« Reply #80 on: April 09, 2017, 01:51 PM »
Carvex 420 Jigsaw.                                                           
C.M.S. fence for table saw.                                                 
C.M.S. extension tables.
Hose deflector.
Compact cleaning kit.
SYS open toolboxes sizes 1 and 2.
SYS-Roll trolley.
All gone via eBay.

The TSC dust chute that prevents hose droop on a TS-55R. For a few hours maybe.
If it only rotated from 8 to 4 o'clock it would be perfect, instead of very annoying.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #81 on: April 09, 2017, 03:11 PM »
That goofy tape measure. Would never retract correctly.

+1 on this. My main gripe is that it's inches and cm and the inches side always seems to be on the side where I'm trying to measure cm.

Mine retracts OK, but:
a) It only extends qround 70cm before bending -- not good;
b) The ink on the labelling is a bit too thick, so your eyes get lost in a sea of ink;
c) It doesn't feel like Festool quality and certainly doesn't justify the cost.

Taking inside measurements with the little window thing it good though. But other cheaper tapes do this too. 

Offline ElectricFeet

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« Reply #82 on: April 09, 2017, 03:13 PM »
I regret buying a 15V drill/driver. It was my first Festool purchase. If I'd known how great Festool would turn out to be and how many tools run on 18V, I would have bought an 18V one.

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #83 on: April 09, 2017, 04:51 PM »
Me too, the tape measure. It has never closed on its own since I bought it a few years ago. But like most koolaid drinkers, it's still on my MFT for the occasional layout though truthfully I use my Fastcaps more often.
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Offline skids

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« Reply #84 on: April 09, 2017, 06:00 PM »
cl12 drill ts15 drill and trion jig saw.  Totally unacceptable tools, in the systainer using makita, dewalt tools.  I have no issue with ALL of the other festool tools i own like, kapex, ts75, six 1080's, mfs 400 and 700, all of the sanders toolie tools tapes, ETC ETC I am a Festool Nut, but for me NO DRILLS AND NO JIG SAW

You just bought the wrong drills in the line up. I had the C12 and agree, which is why I sold and got the CXS, and the T18. Potent combo.
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Offline Flatsawn

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Re: Is there a Festool Tool or accessory that you regret purchasing.
« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2017, 07:18 PM »
That goofy tape measure. Would never retract correctly.

+1 on this. My main gripe is that it's inches and cm and the inches side always seems to be on the side where I'm trying to measure cm.

Mine retracts OK, but:
a) It only extends qround 70cm before bending -- not good;
b) The ink on the labelling is a bit too thick, so your eyes get lost in a sea of ink;
c) It doesn't feel like Festool quality and certainly doesn't justify the cost.

Taking inside measurements with the little window thing it good though. But other cheaper tapes do this too.

I'll have to take your word for it, I never got past the retract to know.  [big grin]
I think they were made that way I once saw a utube video where a guy repaired it. I thought about it, then thought why bother?