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Bathroom looks nice man. I like the grout, wouldnt change it. Whats with the mirror in the wall, are you gona lie in the bath & look at yourself  or is it a tv screen. I wish i put one in my bathroom, might do it yet (tv that is  ). its so he can get a good look when cleaning his undercarriage  |
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Bathroom looks nice man. I like the grout, wouldnt change it. Whats with the mirror in the wall, are you gona lie in the bath & look at yourself or is it a tv screen. I wish i put one in my bathroom, might do it yet (tv that is ). lol! You sure you didnt mean Mirror! You could just get the same as mine a Mirror TV so you can make out you wanted the TV but really you wanted the mirror but no one will know! cheers! I keep looking at the grout and I just dont like it but I decided to carry on fitting the TV toilet shower enclosure to day and if it keeps bothering me I might buy this Aqua colourant http://www.tiledoctor.co.uk/GroutColourant.htmlwould like to know if some one has used it and what do they think of it. How deep does it go? Does it fade over time (by the sun or where the shower is with constant water)? Does curtain cleaning chemicals remove it or cause damage? I have many questions lol Its my first bathroom I tiled fully actually I have done a bit of tiling single wall or just half a wall all round but never floor to ceiling, insets, floor an all. NOW my next big job is my Kitchen!!! I think I have made up my mind and i am going to build my kitchen from scratch because all the awkward walls and windows and pillars I dont want fillers or lost space any where I want to make the most of every mm! JMB |
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« Reply #122 on: March 13, 2011, 02:31 PM » |
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There has been a lot of controversy about using grout colorants and their effectiveness. I've done a few color jobs and I stay away from coloring shower surrounds and especially shower floors. Any other application has very good results for both installer and customer. Personally, I have used ThisOldGrout, Aquamix, and NuGrout with great success. However, product choice, application and availability will ultimately be up to you. Here is the best place to find info on just about anything tile and you'll find a lot of real life info and experience on grout colorants. http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/Sorry I posted just after you posted this did say warning some one has posted but I still posted lol! Yeah ill have a look on that site cheers. I didnt want to do the colourant untill I knew more about it cus I would be GUTTED if I used it and it made a mess!  . I might (I dont think I will) start to like the ''ivory'' (white) JMB |
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Good on ya for wanting to build your own kitchen. I will need to change mine in the next couple of years & that is what i will do.
Do you have a link to that tv ? & how much did it cost you. I may be tempted.
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« Reply #124 on: March 13, 2011, 02:40 PM » |
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No worries. I wouldn't wait too long to try and "like it." It's best if you color on new grout because you know it will take very well. Once you start using the bathroom all the dirt, oils, waxes start to build up in the grout and you need to do one heck of a cleaning to make sure the colorant does what it should. The new grout just saves you that step and a lot of time.
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« Reply #125 on: March 13, 2011, 02:59 PM » |
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Good on ya for wanting to build your own kitchen. I will need to change mine in the next couple of years & that is what i will do.
Do you have a link to that tv ? & how much did it cost you. I may be tempted.
I cnt remember the site but I have the receipt at my house so when I work on my house again ill check the website on it ill let you know. I got it months ago though! As you know I only work on it when I can so some of the stuff I bought have been der for ages waiting for me lol! Well I can remember it costing in the region of £500 its only a 15'' though I think ill let you know for sure what the price and size it is. I fitted my mums aswell hers was £2000 back in the day hers is 23 inch i think. I found my mums far easier to fit and it came with a surround so you dont have to be bang on with your tiles as you stick the mirror affect frame around the mounting bracket was easy to fit and the TV popped into it very nicely also hers had separate speakers you put in your wall or ceiling My TV though has built in speakers and the mounting bracket is RUBBISH very awkward to fit but also to allow the TV to sit flush was a pain with my bracket but also instead of having imports on the back like normal TV'S (my mums is like normal TV's) it has a load of leads bundled together with import ends. HDMI VGA Arial power intput few others just like normal but this causes a problem as its very tight on the bracket and makes it difficult to pop the TV onto the bracket because you need to get the TV right back and then drop it down well if your TV is set in flush with your tiles you can not get it back because your tiles are in the way. So 3 solutions! 1. cut the tile higher so the TV can go back and then down but then it would leave you with a 10 mm or more gap above the tv and the rest sides and bottom would only be 2mm. 2. Dont fit the tiles above untill TV is fitted! Down side you wont be able to get the TV out in the future for repairs or if you wanted to connect a HDMI cable or something 3. Fit the TV face mounted so infront of the tiles which is how I think your suppose to fit this TV but I think it looks rubbish! 4. JMB's solution! Throw the bracket out of the window into the skip! Then just create a rebate behind the tiles and just silicon the TV in! The benefit of my TV over my mums is my TV is completely sealed reason why it has leads coming out so no water can get in front or back of the TV so you can just stick silicon on the TV and push it in job done it will never fall out my TV stayed in just on its own any way ! My mums is very much like a normal TV behind with imports! Thus water can damage the TV if it got behind but thats why it came with a mirror frame surround around siliconed on because the TV is water proof on the front. This would help you Alan a TV with a frame surround because your fitting the TV after you tiled assuming your bathroom where your TV is going to go is tiled the surround will cover your tile cut out! no? I dont kno how much your willing to spend but I find on average the decent bathroom MIRROR TV is £600 a non mirror is less. JMB |
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« Reply #126 on: March 13, 2011, 03:01 PM » |
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No worries. I wouldn't wait too long to try and "like it." It's best if you color on new grout because you know it will take very well. Once you start using the bathroom all the dirt, oils, waxes start to build up in the grout and you need to do one heck of a cleaning to make sure the colorant does what it should. The new grout just saves you that step and a lot of time.
Umm yes very true didnt think of that! You see I also have my Girlfriend and mother saying its fine it looks nice just leave it so kinda 2 against 1! JMB |
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« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2011, 03:19 PM » |
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« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2011, 03:28 PM » |
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JMB, Never argue with your Mum or Girlfriend, if you know whats good for you. I always try n keep my G happy  if shes happy she keeps me happy  JMB |
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« Reply #129 on: March 13, 2011, 03:33 PM » |
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JMB, Never argue with your Mum or Girlfriend, if you know whats good for you. haha! very true. And if they like it, then just consider it another job well done. Turn your efforts into finding the best non-water based sealer and put your time into that instead of coloring (re-doing) what is already good work completed. Oh and it's not like I don't know how you feel. I am much the same way. If it were my personal bath that would drive me nuts and I would change it immediately. I'm just trying to save you a bit of time and headache cause it looks like the the rooms outside of that bath need some attention as well......? What else do you have going on up there? |
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« Reply #130 on: March 13, 2011, 03:40 PM » |
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JMB,
Why did you fit the bath around the wrong way ?? surely the square side should go against the wall. Weird the way you have tiled up to it too if thats what you have done usually you tile the box then lower the bath onto the finished tiles if you know what I mean. It looks in the photo as if you have tiled up to it.
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« Reply #131 on: March 13, 2011, 04:05 PM » |
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JMB, Never argue with your Mum or Girlfriend, if you know whats good for you. haha! very true. And if they like it, then just consider it another job well done. Turn your efforts into finding the best non-water based sealer and put your time into that instead of coloring (re-doing) what is already good work completed. Oh and it's not like I don't know how you feel. I am much the same way. If it were my personal bath that would drive me nuts and I would change it immediately. I'm just trying to save you a bit of time and headache cause it looks like the the rooms outside of that bath need some attention as well......? What else do you have going on up there? No the other rooms are finished what you trying to say? Joking! Lol No the entire housenhas been gutted! I removed EVERY wall upstairs they where all blocks Walls! So very heavy on the floors as they where just built onto the floor. Also I can not hide pipes and cables easily in single block walls. So I rearanged some of the layout made the bathroom bigger as it use to be a bathroom with seperate toilet so now it's all one. Its all stud Walls upstairs. I have made the little bedroom bigger by reducing the cuboard space as that was far to big cus it had the water tank in der as well but I have fitted a new combo boiler in the loft saving space. It has had loads of work done I had to redo the valleys on the roof new facia barge board sofet guttering. I took down the flat roof on the extension and put a pitched roof on it. Took down few Walls on the ground floor and supported the floor above and put some studding up to create a larger hall and so I could have a down stairs toilet i hate not having a down stairs toilet so I had to fit one some where. I removed all the old windows and doors I made a window into French doors and blocked up a door made it into a large window. I removed ALL concrete BOOT lintels and replaced them with catnic lintels. Dab boarded and plaster boarded every room so all rooms have been redone new wireing plumbing. All rooms have been plastered! Loads to do still did some digging in the garden with a mini digger had some fun for a week! Lol still alot to do Outside. Jmb |
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« Reply #133 on: March 13, 2011, 04:07 PM » |
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Don't know if it's the one JMB used, but one of the biggest names in waterproof TVs is TileVision. Yes I think my mums is tilevision Jmb |
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« Reply #134 on: March 13, 2011, 04:13 PM » |
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JMB,
Why did you fit the bath around the wrong way ?? surely the square side should go against the wall. Weird the way you have tiled up to it too if thats what you have done usually you tile the box then lower the bath onto the finished tiles if you know what I mean. It looks in the photo as if you have tiled up to it.
Well you see a few reasons! 1. The bath only cost me 40quid from BnQ because it was damaged! Well gues where the damage was! On the side I have against the wall! 2. I don't like the curve I actually hate it so having it It in the corner kinda hides it but 40quid is nothing as the bath was worth £300 or more. It's a very deep bath. I have sunk the bath into the floor otherwise you would have to try and hurdle over the bath. Well I always seen tiles go onto the bath better water seal so are you saying should I of tiled the front top of the bath first then put the bath on to of the tiles i then tile the back wall so the tiles go on top of the bath |
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I sure am glad I didn't put a telephone in my bathrooms . The wires are in the walls, but a little voice said no! |
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« Reply #136 on: March 13, 2011, 04:19 PM » |
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JMB,
Why did you fit the bath around the wrong way ?? surely the square side should go against the wall. Weird the way you have tiled up to it too if thats what you have done usually you tile the box then lower the bath onto the finished tiles if you know what I mean. It looks in the photo as if you have tiled up to it.
Well you see a few reasons! 1. The bath only cost me 40quid from BnQ because it was damaged! Well gues where the damage was! On the side I have against the wall! 2. I don't like the curve I actually hate it so having it It in the corner kinda hides it but 40quid is nothing as the bath was worth £300 or more. It's a very deep bath. I have sunk the bath into the floor otherwise you would have to try and hurdle over the bath. Well I always seen tiles go onto the bath better water seal so are you saying should I of tiled the front of the bath first then put the bath on top of the tiles then tile the back wall so the tiles go on top of the the bath or tile everything then place the bath in? The reason I tiled up to the bath is because i like the slim look and placing the bath on top gives you a beefy look and just looks like no thought has gone into it plus sitting on the side of the bath is far more comfortable on a large flat surface then a narrow bath edge. Jmb |
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« Reply #137 on: March 13, 2011, 04:28 PM » |
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The shower tray was also fitted before i tiled the floor so I tiled up to the shower tray to make it look more slim lined.
I have never seen any one tile then fit a bath thinking about it. You always fit baths then tile it well i have ripped out a few baths i had to cut them through the middle to get them out so not to cause damage to the tiles which were trapping the bath in.
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I sure am glad I didn't put a telephone in my bathrooms . The wires are in the walls, but a little voice said no! Really?? When I called you last weekend about the RAS, I could have sworn I heard water splashing and one of those rubber ducky squeaks in the background.  Let me guess. It was just Mac drinking and playing. |
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Im with Dean, its usually tilled then the bath set in. That being said, i do like the look of your bath with the near flush ledge. But then again, wait till you have a couple of kids in there splashing water everywhere, because they will Hope you have plenty of silicone arount that tv |
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Sorry, it was Joiner that said it not Dean. Credit to Chris.
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Im with Dean, its usually tilled then the bath set in. That being said, i do like the look of your bath with the near flush ledge. But then again, wait till you have a couple of kids in there splashing water everywhere, because they will Hope you have plenty of silicone arount that tv Dean? I can't see any post from Dean above? Or is joiner called Dean sorry I don't know. Well I prefer the flusher look I always do it like that I did my mums bath hers is flush but no one mentioned it then! LoL The only reason it's near flush easier to do a silicon bead. The box is ply and I tanked it all the shower is all tanked and all around the bath is tanked for extra precaution. The TV is siliconed in proper! Then it's going to have a bead a silicone around the edge between the tiles and TV I think you will struggle to actually get the TV off the wall in the future but like I said my TV is completely sealed from factory so even if water did leak in it would not cause any damage. |
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Oh but you dont know the damage kids can do & i did correct my mistake if you care to read above |
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Oh but you dont know the damage kids can do & i did correct my mistake if you care to read above LoL I did but when I posted it said warning some one posted but i always still post then check after. I just left it lol was being lazy! Its bit annoying typing on the IPad I keep miss typing! Any way your a wee so an so! Jmb |
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The shower tray was also fitted before i tiled the floor so I tiled up to the shower tray to make it look more slim lined.
I have never seen any one tile then fit a bath thinking about it. You always fit baths then tile it well i have ripped out a few baths i had to cut them through the middle to get them out so not to cause damage to the tiles which were trapping the bath in.
Jmb Hi jmb, No the way it should be done is that you tile the top of the ply box then you can lower the bath down into the hole and the rim of the bath should sit slightly off the tiles supported by its legs not the tiles. This leaves you with a neat joint under the bath rim which is sealed with silicone. Then once the bath is connected and tested the front of the ply can be tiled, usually an access panel is left ie one tile is stuck with silicone so it can be removed. Ive done a few built in baths in the 20+ years ive been a joiner I hope I know what im doing lol. Chris |
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while we are talking bathrooms anyone here seen dolphin bathrooms at work ?? I fitted a kitchen for someone this week and she had dolphin in at the same time to do a very small wet room. £16000 they charged and one bloke turned up in a tatty old transit to fit it. He was swearing all the time and his work was disgusting. The tiles are all over the place. Bunch of cowboys grrrrr
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I think they are the same parent company who do Moben kitchens and always sub the work out.
I hear they pay very poor rates and consequently only get fitters that cant get work anywhere else.
I suppose if that is right then the tilers are of a similar breed.
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« Reply #147 on: March 13, 2011, 06:37 PM » |
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No the other rooms are finished what you trying to say? Joking! Lol
No the entire housenhas been gutted! I removed EVERY wall upstairs they where all blocks Walls! So very heavy on the floors as they where just built onto the floor. Also I can not hide pipes and cables easily in single block walls. So I rearanged some of the layout made the bathroom bigger as it use to be a bathroom with seperate toilet so now it's all one. Its all stud Walls upstairs. I have made the little bedroom bigger by reducing the cuboard space as that was far to big cus it had the water tank in der as well but I have fitted a new combo boiler in the loft saving space.
It has had loads of work done I had to redo the valleys on the roof new facia barge board sofet guttering. I took down the flat roof on the extension and put a pitched roof on it. Took down few Walls on the ground floor and supported the floor above and put some studding up to create a larger hall and so I could have a down stairs toilet i hate not having a down stairs toilet so I had to fit one some where. I removed all the old windows and doors I made a window into French doors and blocked up a door made it into a large window. I removed ALL concrete BOOT lintels and replaced them with catnic lintels.
Dab boarded and plaster boarded every room so all rooms have been redone new wireing plumbing. All rooms have been plastered!
Loads to do still did some digging in the garden with a mini digger had some fun for a week! Lol still alot to do Outside.
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darn! Sounds like you should have started out renting an excavator and a couple of skips...... then you could start from scratch and build all new! just kidding. the work is all in good fun isn't it? The tub story is funny, but I'd have to agree with others that you should install tile first then fit the tub (for that particular style of tub). Shower tray is spot on. I forgot to mention that I'm loving the loo. I like that style, but the shape of the rim looks like it's made for square butts. Then again, you have yet to put the seat on it....  I think they are the same parent company who do Moben kitchens and always sub the work out.
I hear they pay very poor rates and consequently only get fitters that cant get work anywhere else.
I suppose if that is right then the tilers are of a similar breed.
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Im with Dean, its usually tilled then the bath set in. That being said, i do like the look of your bath with the near flush ledge. But then again, wait till you have a couple of kids in there splashing water everywhere, because they will Hope you have plenty of silicone arount that tv Oi stop reading my mind!!! could be thinking about something flithy  |
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i normlly fit the bath test it all then box it in leaving the correct gap for a tile to slide under the rim of the bath. I try not to use ply either as i had a delaming issue on a job(nothing major) so always use a tile backing board now for piece of mind and i believe it is a much better job
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