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Offline 10digit

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Laminate floor saw blade
« on: September 04, 2011, 11:56 PM »
Has anyone used the Festool laminate floor saw blade for the TS55?  How long did it stay sharp?  I'm installing 700 sq. ft. of laminate and would like to use the TS55 and MFT for speed and accuracy - not too concerned about the cut quality as it will be mostly hidden by trim.  I know that the stock blade that came with the saw is not up to the task as it dulled from the aluminum oxide in the material after only a few cuts.
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Offline Alex

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2011, 04:54 AM »
I have the laminate blade for my CS70 and I did like 2000 sq ft with it and it's still going strong, I noticed only a slight deterioration in sharpeness and cut quality. It is a lot better for laminated material than Festool's standard blade.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 06:50 AM by Alex »

Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2011, 06:41 AM »
The last time I installed laminate flooring, I used the Trion jigsaw; odd as it may seem, it went very quickly simply because I could have the saw wherever I needed it instead of running back to a SCMS (I don't have a Kapex for decent DC).  Didn't bring in a vac since the chips just dropped to the floor.  It was about 1,000 sf.  Individual laminate boards were about 6" wide.  For a long taper, a rail and TS-x5 would be nicer.
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Offline Brice Burrell

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2011, 08:48 AM »
The last time I installed laminate flooring, I used the Trion jigsaw; odd as it may seem, it went very quickly simply because I could have the saw wherever I needed it instead of running back to a SCMS (I don't have a Kapex for decent DC).  Didn't bring in a vac since the chips just dropped to the floor.  It was about 1,000 sf.  Individual laminate boards were about 6" wide.  For a long taper, a rail and TS-x5 would be nicer.

Using a jigsaw is a fairly common practice for guys that don't do laminate everyday.  As Paul mentioned there are several advantages of using the jigsaw, little dust, you can conveniently use them right where you're working and the blades are cheap.  Using the TS55 and the MFT would be a lot more time consuming for crosscutting, ripping it would work great.   
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Offline jhall

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2011, 10:55 AM »
+1 for the jig saw.  Lot of money for a blade if the cut doesn't show.  Where are you carvex?

Offline speed

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2011, 12:21 PM »
i also use a jigsaw,

i used a metal cutting blade for the first time last week, it lasted the whole floor and still cuts well and will use it on the next floor too, i usually use wood blades and needs 2-3 blades on a decent sized floor
has made the change. now 100%  T-loc :)

Offline Deansocial

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2011, 12:54 PM »
i also use a jigsaw,

i used a metal cutting blade for the first time last week, it lasted the whole floor and still cuts well and will use it on the next floor too, i usually use wood blades and needs 2-3 blades on a decent sized floor

what wood blade you using? you want to buy bimetal blades not hcs blades

Offline speed

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 01:12 PM »
im not sure off hand, i got one of them festool 35pc sets 75/4 rings a bell
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Offline Deansocial

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2011, 01:43 PM »
i never used the festool blades that much just the ones it came with and didnt rekon much to em. Have you tried te lennox blades? they go forever

Offline speed

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2011, 01:53 PM »
ive tried a lennox blade once i got of a demo guy, was a few years ago tho.

i have just bought  a selection of bosch blades to try now, will keep an eye out for some lennox blades tho
has made the change. now 100%  T-loc :)

Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2011, 05:17 PM »
I used to use the kapex and TS 55 for laminate flooring - now I just use a jigsaw, Bosch or trion or Carvex
A plumber / electrician friend dropped by on site today and said 'you been drinking?' it's true none of the cuts on the laminate were straight, but when I left this evening they were all covered by the skirting - which I cut with a lightweight Metabo chop saw fitted with a Festool blade. So I'd say save the money of an ( expensive) laminate blade and use a jigsaw - it's almost as quick as using the Kapex and much easier to cart around. I lay a very tiny 'workmate' style bench on a towel that I then drag around the room with the jigsaw hooked up to the Festool mini there,s very little cleanup and I don't have to crawl around nearly as much as I used to.
I just wish any one of the three jigsaws would cut in a straight line :)
Regards,
Richard

Offline Ken Nagrod

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 12:08 AM »
If you want to use the jigsaw instead of a circular saw for cutting the laminate flooring, use a Speed Square with the jigsaw to guide it for a straight cut, running the jigsaw's base along the square's edge.  You can do the same thing with most circular saws too, depending on the motor getting in the way or not.

Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 03:00 AM »
Yupper, that's what I did, Ken; super easy with that thick square er, triangle.
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Offline andy5405

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2011, 02:19 AM »
I've read a lot of threads on here about all the different tools people use to install laminate floors and thought maybe I was a bit odd as I just use a jig saw. This thread has restored my faith in myself and I'm not the odd one out after all! At least when it comes to installing laminate.....

Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2011, 02:17 PM »
Well,there is another tool/blade for this job.I know the OP was asking about circular saw blades just thought I'd mention it...

No teeth to dull,no dust,no electric needed and no noise.

It's a French invention used in the past to punish offensive aristocrats.

The guillotine-

http://dnn.edma.fr/Langues/Anglais/Produits/MenuisierAgenceur/Laminatecuttingguillotine/tabid/598/language/en-US/Default.aspx

Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2011, 04:52 PM »
I was doing some more laminate flooring today and used the TS 55 occasionally with whatever blade it had on it- I didn't check. I've never tried the guillotine and would be interested for any feedback from anyone who has. I also mentioned on another thread that Imwould like to get the skil saw or equivalent laminate flooring saw. I guess I fit too much of the stuff. ;)

I digress:For a change I modified an old beat up 19th century dining table to make a coffe table. After a fair bit of aggression with the 75 belt sander, the RO 150 and the 3mm course 150 sander I was able to apply French polish and get a fairly good finish. Since the item was saved from going to the municipal dump I had no qualms about using titebondd 3 instead of hide glue. I must try to take a pic. Was much more fun that laminate flooring!
Richard

Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2011, 12:51 AM »
Richard,

I've a wee laminate job coming up.I'll try a little video of the guillotine in action  [scared]

Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2011, 01:59 AM »
Richard,

I've a wee laminate job coming up.I'll try a little video of the guillotine in action  [scared]

Would have been a great Bastille Day video, but we'll eagerly watch it anyway.   [tongue]
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Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2011, 01:22 PM »
 [thumbs up]

Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2011, 12:28 PM »
Richard,

I've a wee laminate job coming up.I'll try a little video of the guillotine in action  [scared]
Great

Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2011, 02:07 AM »
   Here's the guillotine in action. Unfortunately there were no bankers or royalty in the vicinity so I had to make do with laminate.

I'm cutting at the max thickness so it takes a bit of effort.Pretty basic tool and basic cut to go with it but it's fast and clean.Very astute people the French....



Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2011, 03:45 AM »
Thanks Nigel. I'm not sure...I'm pretty quick with a jigsaw now, having given up on lugging the Kapex around, but am tempted by the guillotine or the flooring saw.
Regards Richard

Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2011, 03:00 PM »
Thanks Nigel. I'm not sure...I'm pretty quick with a jigsaw now, having given up on lugging the Kapex around, but am tempted by the guillotine or the flooring saw.
Regards Richard

You're welcome Richard.I'm just keen to avoid as much MDF dust as possible.....

Offline Dovetail65

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2011, 03:12 PM »
Actually, like Festools, it was German ingenuity that invented the guillotine we all know.  :)

The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it.

Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2011, 02:09 AM »
  I can't find any German references to it but in any case it was the French who used it most effectively!

Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2011, 03:07 PM »
Thanks Nigel. I'm not sure...I'm pretty quick with a jigsaw now, having given up on lugging the Kapex around, but am tempted by the guillotine or the flooring saw.
Regards Richard

You're welcome Richard.I'm just keen to avoid as much MDF dust as possible.....
That's a good point. With Festool dust collection you can get spoilt (even tho' it's far from 100%.) I expect the dust collection on the flooring saw is zero.  [wink [unsure [embarassed]
When you do laminate floors do you charge by the hour or by the square meter ?
Regards,
Richard

Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2011, 02:02 AM »
Sorry for the delay Richard,This went under the radar. How does that happen?

To answer your question I make an estimate on the time it will take and price accordingly.

Cordialement,

Nigel.

Offline Floorman70

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2011, 12:46 PM »
I fit a lot of laminate flooring,i usually use a magnum shear,it`s a similar idea to the guillotine,but uses a sharp blade which will cut through 20mm oak,i use my carvex for cutting down the length(although i occassionally use an exact saw,which is a bit like a mini ts55),i only ever use my ts55 on laminate when i doing stairs.I didn`t realise they did a laminate blade,will give it a try next time
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Offline Nigel

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2011, 06:59 AM »
I fit a lot of laminate flooring,i usually use a magnum shear,it`s a similar idea to the guillotine,but uses a sharp blade which will cut through 20mm oak,i use my carvex for cutting down the length(although i occassionally use an exact saw,which is a bit like a mini ts55),i only ever use my ts55 on laminate when i doing stairs.I didn`t realise they did a laminate blade,will give it a try next time

 [welcome] Floorman,

That magnum shear certainly looks the business,much better than my crummy guillotine but at a price no doubt!

« Last Edit: October 22, 2011, 07:02 AM by Nigel »

Offline Floorman70

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2011, 03:54 PM »
When i first saw the magnum shear,they were £750 for the 13inch,which was too much money to risk on somthing i couldn`t guarantee would work,but then they dropped to £550,so i got one.It`s one of the best tools i`ve ever bought(and i do have a lot lol),it will cut 20mm thick solid oak,but only up to around 150mm wide and you do need to keep up with new blades at £60 a time,so i don`t really use it for that,it`s best for engineered wood(even 190mm wide x 20mm thick with a 6mm oak top layer) and laminate,for that kind of use the blades last for ages.The only annoying thing for me is,the price has now dropped to £300 for one [mad]
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Offline richard.selwyn

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2011, 05:08 PM »
When i first saw the magnum shear,they were £750 for the 13inch,which was too much money to risk on somthing i couldn`t guarantee would work,but then they dropped to £550,so i got one.It`s one of the best tools i`ve ever bought(and i do have a lot lol),it will cut 20mm thick solid oak,but only up to around 150mm wide and you do need to keep up with new blades at £60 a time,so i don`t really use it for that,it`s best for engineered wood(even 190mm wide x 20mm thick with a 6mm oak top layer) and laminate,for that kind of use the blades last for ages.The only annoying thing for me is,the price has now dropped to £300 for one [mad]
Floor man, for £300 i'm interested, but after a quick search haven't had much luck in sourcing one in the UK. Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Richard

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Offline Floorman70

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2011, 05:58 PM »
Havwoods machinery,Lancaster,sales@havwoodsmachinery.com,tel.uk01254 811777.They are very helpful people
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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2011, 07:16 PM »
sorry floor man i forgot to welcome you.

do you think it is actually worth that kind of money. afterall you still need to bring a jigsaw etc with you for the rip cuts
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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2011, 12:16 AM »
Hi Floorman70,

Welcome to the FOG !  [smile]


Great to see you jump in with some good info.

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Offline Scott in Bend

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2011, 10:13 AM »
Flooring is not my everyday job.  But, I think that TS saws are best suited for other work. 

I use a portable tablesaw with an inexpesive thin-kerf combo blade for rips.  But for crosscuts and profiles, a jigsaw works for me.  I recently started using Bosch laminate flooring T-shank jigsaw blades and they work great and last a long time.  The symetrical pointed teeth stick out straight from the blade and cut clean on both sides of the work.  I don't believe that Festool has an equivalent blade.

They come in 14 TPI and 20 TPI.  The 14 TPI is the most useful for me.  The 20 TPI is a scroll-type blade with a narrow shank.


http://www.amazon.com/T101BIF-Bi-Metal-T-Shank-Laminate-Flooring/dp/B000J1CSWI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319377805&sr=8-1

Offline Floorman70

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2011, 11:41 AM »
Thanks for the welcomes [smile]

Personally,i find it well worth the money,the majority of the cuts in a room are end ones,so being able to just put a little pencil mark and make a perfectly straight,clean cut in about 2 seconds,makes it a real time saver,i did the whole downstairs of a house the begining of last week in engineered oak and the debris of all those cuts could probably only fill a tablespoon,i`ve been using it for about 3 years and i suppose like most tools,you just get into the routine of using them and it naturally becomes quicker for you,i still have a guilotine like the one Nigel has,which i used to use before i got the magnum and if you are mainly fitting laminate,then these are great and i would definately recommend one
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Offline Deansocial

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2011, 05:16 PM »
which shear is it floor man as they have 3 for wood/laminate and there is 1 at £470ish and 2 below £200

Offline Floorman70

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Re: Laminate floor saw blade
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2011, 05:36 PM »
which shear is it floor man as they have 3 for wood/laminate and there is 1 at £470ish and 2 below £200
It`s the magnum shear pro 13 inch product code MSL13
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