Author Topic: LR32 Advice  (Read 2449 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline sheperd80

  • Posts: 118
LR32 Advice
« on: March 17, 2018, 12:08 PM »
I'm considering the LR32 system and i could use some input. Instead of the $500+ systainer set, can i just buy a guide rail, a 5mm router bit and this?

festools-online.com/583290-festool-hole-drilling-set.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw-bLVBRBMEiwAmKSB89cyQ8e2ndA1lQEiLNRFljQNtOgTC8XpJoKrAcM2OGawyPDRpuVcDRoCijkQAvD_BwE

I have an OF1010 and dont plan to use this for boring doors, just line boring. It seems like that small set has all the stops i need but so hard to tell with the way festool names things.

Im working from a small shop and doing large cabinet projects. Ive always used drilling jigs for line boring but its just so slow and im not happy with the results. I get a little tearout on most of the holes, even when drilling very carfefully. I need clean, repeatable results and this system seems like my best bet. The systainer set plus guide rail puts me at around $700, versus around $450 for the option i linked above.

Thanks for any advice.

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline Kriss

  • Posts: 78
  • YouTube woodworker
    • Toolify on YouTube
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 12:49 PM »
Yup, you can do this – and I've done so. Saves you a good amount if you don't care for the systainer. The systainer version of the kit also adds 2 screw clamps, but if you already have clamps you don't need them.

Offline Brice Burrell

  • Posts: 7348
  • Remodeling Contractor
    • The Green and Dark Blue blog
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 01:22 PM »
As Kriss touched on, you'll also need to add Festool guide rail clamps to your list. 

There are two 5mm bits, the 491066 is a brad point bit, and the 491064 that is sort a spear point.  The brad point bit is for drilling holes that don't go all the way through the work piece; and the spear point bit is for through holes (for a center panel with holes on both side).  Both bits make very clean holes. 
Check out my new blog, The Green and Dark Blue Blog.

Offline sheperd80

  • Posts: 118
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 02:04 PM »
Ok then Ill probably get two of the brad point style bits for line boring.

Ive got a few quick clamps already for my track saw, so im good there.

Thanks for the help!


Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk


Offline jbair

  • Posts: 43
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2018, 03:26 PM »
Shep, I don't think the clamps you have are the ones Brice was referring to in his post.

Offline Corwin

  • Posts: 2598
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 04:06 PM »
Shep, I don't think the clamps you have are the ones Brice was referring to in his post.

No, the clamps he has will work just fine.
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline SS Teach

  • Posts: 285
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2018, 07:25 PM »
Yes you will save money. But as stated there are some extra pieces you’ll need. Keeping them together in a systainer is very helpful. I am a firm believer in organization. Yes the systainer will add two more clamps, but as many have said you never have enough clamps. And as I have learned in my Festool journey budget is a concept that flew out the window a while ago.
RTS 400, LS 130, Sandpaper Systainer, Profile Systainer. ETS 125, Sandpaper Systainer, Ro 90, Sandpaper Systainer,  Ro 150, Sandpaper Systainer, OF 1400, TS 55 REQ, CT36, CXS Li 1.5 Set, Centrotec Wood-Drill-Set/8pcs, CT Wings, Surfix Set. Domino 500, Domino Systainer, Parallel Guide

Offline Coen

  • Posts: 364
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2018, 08:53 PM »
Yes, but you are missing the 5mm bits, also the big 35mm bit for the hinges. And most important; two pieces of #496938 (+ knobs) to align the rail and couple multiple LR32 rails.

Then you also need a place to store it.

No, I didn't buy the set for the clamps either, but hey; more clamps more fun.

Offline sheperd80

  • Posts: 118
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2018, 10:10 PM »
Ok im kind of confused. Is the 496938 required for repeated positioning of the rail? Or just for joining rails together?

I need to reference the edge and end of each panel.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk


Offline Bohdan

  • Posts: 877
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2018, 10:18 PM »
Ok im kind of confused. Is the 496938 required for repeated positioning of the rail? Or just for joining rails together?

I need to reference the edge and end of each panel.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

The 496938 is used to reference the rail to the end of the panel and to work off both ends you need two of them.

And is used to join two holey rails to maintain the hole spacing.

Offline Kriss

  • Posts: 78
  • YouTube woodworker
    • Toolify on YouTube
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 08:12 AM »
The set linked should include two linear stops (i.e. part 496938). Check out this page for a photo showing the scope of delivery: https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/583290---lr-32-set

Offline sheperd80

  • Posts: 118
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2018, 08:28 AM »
The set linked should include two linear stops (i.e. part 496938). Check out this page for a photo showing the scope of delivery: https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/583290---lr-32-set
Ah! None of the other sets show those pieces in the pic, and the parts lists are a little unclear. Thanks for that!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk


Offline Brice Burrell

  • Posts: 7348
  • Remodeling Contractor
    • The Green and Dark Blue blog
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2018, 09:01 AM »
The 583290 set has all of the LR32 parts included.  However, you will need a few more items to use with that set. 

What you need in addition to the 583290 LR32 set, you will need the following:
-Festool OF 1010 or OF 1400 router.

-One or more of the "holey" guide rail(s), 496939 or 491622.  If you are connecting rails you will also need two guide rail connectors 482107.  You can use your Festool TS55 or TS75 saws on these rail, they work just like any other Festool guide rails.

-Two Festool clamps to clamp the guide rail down (or any brand F style clamp that will fit the guide rails).  The Festool clamps are the quick clamp 491594, and the screw clamps 489570 or 489571.

-Router bits.  These don't have to be Festool bits, any brand will work.  The most common Festool bits used are the two 5mm bits, 491066 is a brad point bit, the 491064 that is spear point for through holes, and if you want to drill 35mm hinge cup holes, the 491077.   

 
« Last Edit: March 18, 2018, 09:13 AM by Brice Burrell »
Check out my new blog, The Green and Dark Blue Blog.

Offline sheperd80

  • Posts: 118
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2018, 09:40 AM »
The 583290 set has all of the LR32 parts included.  However, you will need a few more items to use with that set. 

What you need in addition to the 583290 LR32 set, you will need the following:
-Festool OF 1010 or OF 1400 router.

-One or more of the "holey" guide rail(s), 496939 or 491622.  If you are connecting rails you will also need two guide rail connectors 482107.  You can use your Festool TS55 or TS75 saws on these rail, they work just like any other Festool guide rails.

-Two Festool clamps to clamp the guide rail down (or any brand F style clamp that will fit the guide rails).  The Festool clamps are the quick clamp 491594, and the screw clamps 489570 or 489571.

-Router bits.  These don't have to be Festool bits, any brand will work.  The most common Festool bits used are the two 5mm bits, 491066 is a brad point bit, the 491064 that is spear point for through holes, and if you want to drill 35mm hinge cup holes, the 491077.   
Im ordering the lr32 small set, two 5mm brad point bits, and a holey rail. I have an OF1010 and 2 quick clamps. I prefer boring hinges with a drill so i think ill stick with that method for now. Its easy enough to transfer the line boring locations accurately and use a drilling jig.

Now my challenge will be sizing my panels. I need the right height so the lr32 is reversible, and the right width so that drawer glide holes will line up to front and back line boring.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk


Offline jobsworth

  • Posts: 5184
  • Does Anyone Know What Time It Is?
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2018, 11:16 AM »
you'll need 2 of the 485758 unless you have another method of insuring you get the 37mm set back.

If you add up all the items you will need individually, it would be better to just buy the LR 32 kit

Offline DynaGlide

  • Posts: 185
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2018, 11:30 AM »
New option. Buy the kit from Amazon UK. I paid 340 shipped, took about 3 weeks.

Offline thudchkr

  • Posts: 113
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2018, 12:02 PM »
you'll need 2 of the 485758 unless you have another method of insuring you get the 37mm set back.

If you add up all the items you will need individually, it would be better to just buy the LR 32 kit

Won’t have to. They’re included in the 583290 package. I assembled my kit this way and as stated before, would have spent less buying the LR 32 kit.  I was fine with just drilling the 5mm holes until I wanted to drill the hinge recess holes and have the systainer for storage storage.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2018, 04:05 PM by thudchkr »
Clint

TSC 55, TS 55, TS 75, HKC 55, DF 500, DF 700, Kapex, MFK 700, OF 1400, OF OF 2200, CT 22, ETS 150/3, ETS EQ 150/5, PRO 5, DTS 400, CXS

Offline sheperd80

  • Posts: 118
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2018, 06:14 PM »
There seems to be some confusion over whats needed and whats included.

Im at $450 for the small set i linked above (which is confirmed to include router base, 2 longitudunal stops, 2 edge stops, and the centering mandrel) plus a guide rail, and a 5mm bit. I have a spare systainer and clamps already. This is all i need. I dont want more clamps, the hinge bit or another systainer.

If i buy the systainer set and a rail its $700.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk


Offline bkharman

  • Posts: 1983
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2018, 07:49 PM »
There seems to be some confusion over whats needed and whats included.

Im at $450 for the small set i linked above (which is confirmed to include router base, 2 longitudunal stops, 2 edge stops, and the centering mandrel) plus a guide rail, and a 5mm bit. I have a spare systainer and clamps already. This is all i need. I dont want more clamps, the hinge bit or another systainer.

If i buy the systainer set and a rail its $700.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

You are fine mate. This is what I did.

I bought the base plate with mandrel and had a hole rail already. I bought it and a 20mm but for making my own MFT tops. I then bought the 5mm bit later and it does everything I need. Sounds like you are in the same boat!

Cheers. Bryan.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along?

Offline Coen

  • Posts: 364
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2018, 09:58 PM »
Oh wow, didn't see (2x) of #496938 was included in #583290. Most of the pictures don't show it either. But it does change the calculation a bit yes. Having said that I'm still happy with the Systainer. Not sure why you would bother with doing the hinges separately. If you position the first row correct, you can use that for the hinges.

Offline thudchkr

  • Posts: 113
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2018, 11:20 PM »
There seems to be some confusion over whats needed and whats included.

Im at $450 for the small set i linked above (which is confirmed to include router base, 2 longitudunal stops, 2 edge stops, and the centering mandrel) plus a guide rail, and a 5mm bit. I have a spare systainer and clamps already. This is all i need. I dont want more clamps, the hinge bit or another systainer.

If i buy the systainer set and a rail its $700.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

The insert is nice to have in the Systainer if your going to be storing the parts in there. I purchased mine to go in a spare systainer such as you plan to use. Part # 700902
Clint

TSC 55, TS 55, TS 75, HKC 55, DF 500, DF 700, Kapex, MFK 700, OF 1400, OF OF 2200, CT 22, ETS 150/3, ETS EQ 150/5, PRO 5, DTS 400, CXS

Offline sheperd80

  • Posts: 118
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2018, 09:17 AM »
Oh wow, didn't see (2x) of #496938 was included in #583290. Most of the pictures don't show it either. But it does change the calculation a bit yes. Having said that I'm still happy with the Systainer. Not sure why you would bother with doing the hinges separately. If you position the first row correct, you can use that for the hinges.
Oh i will definitely be using the line boring for hinge plate mounting if thats what you mean. 2 rows per panel (front and back edge) will accomodate doors, pullouts, drawers and adjustable shelving. I just dont want to use the LR32 for drilling the hinge cups on the doors. I have a small and effective drilling jig that will be much easier than moving around a router, guide rail, edge stops, and clamps each time for just 2 cup holes.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk


Offline ben_r_

  • Posts: 1075
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2018, 01:58 PM »
New option. Buy the kit from Amazon UK. I paid 340 shipped, took about 3 weeks.
There ya go! THATS the way to do it! Ive done that with quite a few of my Festool accessories! Saves a ton of money!
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success!

Offline Bigdaddy65

  • Posts: 20
Re: LR32 Advice
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2018, 08:02 PM »
New option. Buy the kit from Amazon UK. I paid 340 shipped, took about 3 weeks.
There ya go! THATS the way to do it! Ive done that with quite a few of my Festool accessories! Saves a ton of money!
Exchange rate went up its about 360 now.