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Steve R

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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2012, 01:23 PM »

I have other brand drills and I like them...but now that I'm into Festool and have tired the Festool drills I don't see any problem with them fitting my hands.

As far as impact drive goes..... I don't own one yet... have tried them....but dang if you don't have ear protection in/on... you might as well order hearing aids at the same time you buy the drill.

I was going into a condo the other day and was over a 150 away from the building and could hear an impact drill working on one of the 5 floors.

Building in the burbs or your own shop fine ..... but using impact with you don't need it in a multi family building .... NOT GOOD CUSTOMER/NEIGHBOR RELATIONS.

The CXS would be the best replacement for my daily go to drill/driver, only downside to it is that the battery won't work with the soon to come Syslite

The 90 head for the other drills is what makes me want Festool drills 

What I need from Festool drills before impact is hammer drill options...  remodeling older homes leads to cinder block walls in the basement and the cement floors that are too brittle for power charges, so you drill.

The only negative to Festool drills is that they stack stuff in the systainers..... HELLO.... you make sorttainers with drawers!!!! Fine to have top open but don't make me have to pull a level of stuff to get to the one thing on a lower level!!!!!  Put the stuff in underneath in a drawer instead!!!!  Charge me more for it, as that is cheaper than every fricking day...having to move the dang black plastic levels 10 times a day.... Okay rant over...

Cheers,
Steve
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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2012, 01:35 PM »

All the different chucks are a big advantage of the Festool drills.  Plus the chucks are interchangeable between all the drills except the CXS.

Only the right angle chuck, offset chuck and the drywall chuck are not interchangeable between the CXS and the other Festool drills.

I'm sure Festool had a good reason, but I think a lot of people would have preferred the CXS's keyless chuck to go to 3/8" instead of 5/16" / 8mm.  At least you can use the larger keyless chuck from the bigger drills.
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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2012, 12:09 AM »

I had a chance to check out all the models at the local woodcraft today (not really local about 50 miles away) seems like I'm going to go with the t18 as it felt so powerful and fit my hand like a glove. i really liked the c15 but my hands were to big for it and it just feels awkward. thanks to all that gave some input!
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2013, 02:22 AM »

I need to chime in here because this 'dead horse' needs another beating:

I was always a T-Handle guy.  When the original C12 came out with its quasi pistol-grip style handle, I decided to buy it anyway.  I LOVED the drill, but didn't exactly love the handle style for all of the subtle "balance" reasons everyone has already mentioned.  Still, it was my only choice when I bought it, so It was an easy decision.

Later, when the T-15 came out I upgraded, thinking I was going to be in hog-heaven.  BUT instead began using the T handle only to realized the brilliance and efficiency of the C-style handle.

Fundamentally, what everyone has said is right:  It's absolutely a matter of personal preference, BUT NOT the way you might think. To use an analogy; most people may find upright bicycle handle bars to be the most comfortable, but only one style (the lower aerodynamic ones) will help you win the race.

Before having had experience with both tools, if you'd asked me I'd have easily told you I like the T handle best.  If I'd have drilled some sample holes in a store, I'd have said the same.  BUT, if you'd asked me to work with each for a week of varied tasks, I easily tell you I prefer the C handle. 

In my case, after moving BACK to the T-Handle I saw (by contrast) that the off-axis thrust of the T handle significantly increases cam-out when driving screws (unless you torque into it with your wrist) and it also increases attention needed when drilling to prevent lateral force on the bit/hole in situations.  The C Handle was  slightly less natural to pick up and hold but far more natural when holding it in position for work, and doing actual work.  For me, that easily trumps the 'better balance' of the T handle design.

I also found (to my great surprise) that the T-handle seems slightly more awkward in cramped spaces.   I thought it would surely be the opposite.  It does not surprise me that the nimble, efficient CSX is of the pistol-grip design.

Just my 2¢.

-Karl
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2013, 04:46 AM »

+1 karlfife - think you've expressed the 'C' grip advantage very well.
Exactly my own experience.

Yes - if you stand in free air, and wave the two different types around, the pistol grip is far superior in balance.
But..when using the 'C' grip - it's somehow easier to line up, and apply the necessary force - seems more natural.
That's why I prefer for confined spaces as well.
And, imho, does reduce 'strain' on the wrist - which I find advantageous the older my wrists become  Smile

Use other makes of drills for heavier work, eg sds hammering.

Richard
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