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Offline All About Tools

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NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« on: August 06, 2011, 03:56 AM »
I see festool is comming with a LED Lite.

I'll try to translate it in english later this weekend.
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Offline Deansocial

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 04:00 AM »
be interesting to see how bright this is

Offline justinmcf

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 04:28 AM »
Holy Moly.

168 Euro for a light!

No translation required.

That's a lot of cookies in anybodies language!


Offline Corwin

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 04:49 AM »

168 Euro for a light!

No translation required.


Yeah, I took a dim view on that price too!   [eek] [scared] [blink]
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

Offline Alex

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 05:01 AM »
I'm really disappointed by this. Why on earth did they include a built in battery? That's just stupid. Why couldn't they make one that simply clips on a standard battery like most brands do?

I was waiting for a nice battery lamp and would have surely bought it if it was around 50 euros. This thing, I'm never ever gonna buy it. The price is ridiculous. You're mostly paying for the battery and charger which make it a really expensive item. Already got those.

I'm pretty sure this thing isn't going to be a big seller. The linked website already states they're probably not gonna sell it due to the high price.

Offline justinmcf

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 05:11 AM »
Hi Alex.

I do not understand the Dutch language, but at the bottom of the page it says something about external batteries 12 - 18 Volts.

Could you explain what that particular sentence states?

Thanks, Justin.

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 07:28 AM »
I do not understand the Dutch language, but at the bottom of the page it says something about external batteries 12 - 18 Volts.

Could you explain what that particular sentence states?

Sure Justin, it means that you can also run the lamp on standard Festool batteries from 12 to 18 volt. It comes with an internal battery plus charger but you can also connect all Festool batteries except that of the CXS.

I'll give you a run down of the specs:

Power 6 x 3 Watt LED
Internal battery  7,2 V 2,2 Ah Li-Lon
Recharge time 2 hours
Light duration with internal battery:
Level 1 about 1,5 hours
Level 2 about 4 hours
Comes with a charger for 240v and one for 12-24v car socket
Accepts an external battery of 12-18v
Hook size 400 mm
Screw thread ¼ "(6,35 mm) to mount it on a tripod
Size H / B / D 150 / 100 / 80 mm
Weight 0,67 Kg

It seems this thing is more meant as a small building site lamp than the torch light we see with so many other brands.

Offline PeterK

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 08:53 AM »
Site lamp is right!! Six 3 watt LEDs should be incredibly bright. Far more than any LED flashlight I am aware of.

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 12:04 PM »
Oke, here it is... google translate is not that good so I improved it..

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I think I'm going to like this lamp, except for the price!


We will probably not deliver him. (this Festool supplier has a lot of trouble with festool because they deliver it below the I (illegal) fixed Festools selling price, they are always a lot cheaper :-))
.... but we do want to inform of the latest info!
All that stuff is always mysterious, but not here :-)

What does festool think:
Excellent light output: 6 high-power LEDs for white light and excellent colour reproduction. With big on and off switch. 2 positions intense or dimmed so you're not blinded when working.
Made for on location: Enclosure of unbreakable, shockproof and impact resistant aluminium, the handle is heat insulated to protect the user and to protect the lamp and it is wireless.
Flexible settings: Every side another angle for scattering light, integrated universal hook to hang the lamp base and has a hole for tripod mounting.
Maximum uptime: By Integral Li-Ion Battery with various loading options.
170 ° wide angle: Relieves dark areas in the workplace and homogeneous illumination. The casing is used as a reflector surface. By comparison, a standard flashlight 5 ° and 30 ° for working lights.
Up to 6 hours of light enjoyment: All Festool and Protool batteries can also be connected for a longer burn time for the internal battery.

Delivery:
Festool SYSLITE-LED Lamp
-230 V AC adapter
-Car Charger
-Bag

Specifications:
Power 6 x 3 Watt LED
Internal Battery 7.2 V 2.2 Ah Li-Lon
Charging time approx 2 hours
Light with internal battery:
A level approximately 1.5 hours
Level 2 approximately 4 hours
Charging the lamp:
240 V / 12-24 V vehicle
External battery voltages from 12-18 V
Hook opening 40 mm
Tripod thread ¼ "(6.35 mm)
Dimensions H / W / D 150 / 100 / 80 mm
Weight Kg 0.67

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Offline justinmcf

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 04:43 PM »
Thanks Alex and Tiezme for taking the time to translate.

It is a nice accessory, is it worth the price?

Justin.

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 07:27 PM »
So it's a LED flashlight, albeit a great one, and you have to ask if it's worth the price at $200+?

Julian

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 07:31 PM »
So it's a LED flashlight, albeit a great one, and you have to ask if it's worth the price at $200+?

Its called sarcasm Julian.
Of course it's not worth the bloody price.
But eventually they will sit on a shelf for a few years collecting dust, and then the price will drop during a special promotion.
I have seen this happen with several obscure Festool/Protool products.

Justin.

Offline tallgrass

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2011, 07:43 PM »
what other lights are out there in the same form factor? it sounds expensive but i have paid more than that for my surefire.

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2011, 07:53 PM »
Just something to think about in general, LED's are manufactured in varying qualities and output.  That's one of the reasons for such a wide range of prices in LED flashlights.

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2011, 08:25 PM »
I am going to agree with Ken on this rare occasion  [scared]  [big grin].  I would virtually guarantee that the led's are Luxeon or Cree.  Festool does not put their name on something that is sub par.  The light spread - almost 180 degrees, and the electronic drivers for this application add up quickly.  Then you have the various electrical charging capabilities and then the ability to us the Festool batteries;  this puppy is expensive to produce.

It may not be for everyone, but it is an option.

Peter

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 08:39 PM »
 [thanks]

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2011, 02:50 PM »
It may not be for everyone, but it is an option.

Anything that doesn't heat up like those quartz work lights but puts out as much light would be a welcome addition.
I wonder how many lumens this thing puts out?
Tim

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2011, 03:12 PM »
If you want massive light output look at the Streamlight litebox series. Under $200, rechargeable, adjustable head and light levels. Downside is the weighs a lot. The firebox is much lighter but slightly less versatile. The festool light would really have to rock for me to buy non-Strreamlight. Looked at a Surefire infrared flashlight the other day. Interesting, almost bought it but have no idea what I'd do with it.
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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2011, 04:30 PM »
It may not be for everyone, but it is an option.

Anything that doesn't heat up like those quartz work lights but puts out as much light would be a welcome addition.
I wonder how many lumens this thing puts out?
Tim

Tim you bring up the same two things I was thinking.
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 05:06 PM »
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I am going to agree with Ken on this rare occasion  Scared  Big Grin.  I would virtually guarantee that the led's are Luxeon or Cree.  Festool does not put their name on something that is sub par.  The light spread - almost 180 degrees, and the electronic drivers for this application add up quickly.  Then you have the various electrical charging capabilities and then the ability to us the Festool batteries;  this puppy is expensive to produce.

I agree a good LED light is not cheap to produce. I have moved to Surfire for all of my flashlights. They are expensive but produce some of the best flashlight in the industry.

Bruce

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 05:10 PM »
I have moved to Surfire for all of my flashlights. They are expensive but produce some of the best flashlight in the industry.

Agreed, surfire, are great. Compact and very very bright.

Tim

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2011, 08:12 PM »
I would be happy with a set of half-way decent worklights that would politely pack into a systainer of pretty much any size, big or small.
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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2011, 08:26 PM »
I would be happy with a set of half-way decent worklights that would politely pack into a systainer of pretty much any size, big or small.

I'm with you, I've got a few clamps lights and they're a bit of a hassle to use so I don't bother to use them unless I absolutely have to.
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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2011, 08:55 PM »
For that price, I would expect it to be completely and easily fitted to the MFT.  But I think I will pass on this one...

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2011, 09:34 PM »
After doing research - I have been interested in LED technology for years - despite what others feel, I really see this as not being a badly priced product.  Whether or not it works for others is up to them to decide.  For the record - if this were to come to the US, I doubt that I would not buy one.  In my work conditions there is not a need for me at this time.

LED technology and especially the focusing and light spread technology is not cheap.  If you wanted to go out to the internet and buy the LEDS and do something even remotely similar that didn't look anywhere as polished you would be spending easily over $200.  Then you would have to deal with internal rechargeable batteries and the ability to add on an external batteries.  And then all the other features.  And then there is the warranty period.  And then the dealer margin.

Really isn't a bad deal if you take all the costs involved.  I build LED lighting strips using raw components for friends and have even imported products from China.  

I can't wait to see the first real reviews here.

Peter

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2011, 09:45 PM »
Peter,

While I agree with what you have said, I would be hard pressed to spend $200 on what in the end is a glorified flashlight. For that sum of money I could buy a $9 'headlight' at the Borg and a LIFETIME of (rechargeable) batteries or a LOT of beer in lieu of the green kool-aid.

Now if it was $25 and I could just use what Festool batteries I already have, that would be a different matter entirely.
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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2011, 09:58 PM »
Harry,

Like I said, I probably won't own also.

Comparing this to flashlight is not a fair comparison.  Flashlights are not 18 LED watts of 180 degree light.  They are focused beam.  Flashlights usually do not have built in rechargeable batteries, nor the ability to add on supplemental batteries.  Nor car chargers...

This will not be for everyone for sure.

Peter

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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2011, 10:07 PM »
Compare it to the costs of these.  I don't think for a Festool labeled product it's exorbitant.

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Re: NEW: Festool SYSLITE LED accu lamp
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2011, 10:30 PM »
Peter, you can talk about LED technology all you want, but that's not the point I was making. The LED's do not make up the heap of the cost of this lamp, the internal battery and charger do. If those were left out this lamp would cost at least 100-120 euro/dollar less.

Festool is always talking about their SYSTEM approach. Members here on the FOG constantly praise Festool's system approach. But once again with this release Festool proves it's just bloated talk. Just like Festool refuses to let us buy 'body only' versions of their cordless tools like all other brands do without problem. Take the Carvex. I already have a T15 with charger and 2 batteries, I would have already had the Carvex in my possession if I could have bought just the tool itself, without any extras.

But no, not in Festool's book. The minimum package you can buy is the saw+one battery+systainer. Ridiculous. Since a single battery sold seperately costs 140 euro and a systainer 57, that would mean Festool would force me to buy 200 euro worth of stuff I don't want and need. As a result, nothing gets bought at all and I simply get a saw from another brand while I would have happily put 200-250 € in Festool's pocket to get the saw by itself. Same here with this lamp. I'm not going to waste 100 € on stuff I already have. Again, as a result, I will spend my money on the competitor.

Festool's engineers know pretty good what they're doing, but Festool's marketing department constantly shows us they've got a plate in front of their head. Sure there will be some people interested in this lamp, and for those who have no cordless Festools the built in battery is of course a must have. But since Festool is an example of one of those brands that have a huge customer base of 'brand loyal' enthousiasts, you can bet that most people that would consider this lamp already have a Festool drill and therefor won't need the built in battery. Now if Festool would make a light that you could clip on one of your existing batteries for around 50-60 €, I think a HUGE part of those drill owners would get that light. But not this new light. Considering the high cost, rest assured that it will be for a very select bunch of people only.

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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2011, 10:31 PM »
Compare it to the costs of these.  I don't think for a Festool labeled product it's exorbitant.

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Hmmmmm I might be interested in that Wobble Light !!!! I have a Dewalt worklight that can run off of or charge two 18 volt batteries and I love that thing.
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