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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2016, 03:04 AM »
We should be having a play with one of these soon. 8)
I'll report back but looks to be useful addition to the Armoury! [smile]
Let me know, I want to come and play! Seriously, I'm wonderng if one would make a good replacemengt for my eWalt DW771 216mm SCMS

I will LYK! and ewalts always need replacing... [big grin]
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2016, 12:35 PM »
Hopefully this will also be made cordless

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2016, 07:21 AM »
Hi
 So the KS60 is coming in 2017  [big grin]....and some images to get an idea of it. Any questions post here and I will get back to you. Available as 240v and 110v..........
LED light......



Storage underneath the adaptor plate for blades


With the UG legs



Spindle lock and limited depth of cut lever



Folded on the UG stand
« Last Edit: December 03, 2016, 07:28 AM by Phil Beckley »
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2016, 08:55 AM »
Hi
....the four green screws on the underside of the adaptor plate are used for levelling the saw when it is in position. The saw can then be fixed into position with four Allen key bolts.
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2016, 09:53 AM »
Phil,

Is the cart kapex60 the same as the cart for the Kapex120?

Thanks already Ocram.

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2016, 11:51 AM »
Phil,

Is the cart kapex60 the same as the cart for the Kapex120?

Thanks already Ocram.

Hi Ocram
 Yes it is the same
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2016, 11:54 AM »
Hi
 The legs for the KS120/88 will fit the KS60 adaptor plate. However, the two saws are different in width so a new set is available specific to the KS60
https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=201909&name=Accessories-for-KS-60-sliding-compound-mitre-saw-KA-UG-KS-60-R-L
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2016, 05:56 PM »
The ks-60 is a shallower depth of cut? Does it cut other materials as well or just the baby brother of the ks-120? Pricing the same as the current offer.

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2016, 06:03 PM »
The ks-60 is a shallower depth of cut? Does it cut other materials as well or just the baby brother of the ks-120? Pricing the same as the current offer.

Hi
Max depth of cut 60mm
Max width of cut 305mm
Blades available for timber including a 60t fine cut, plastics, non ferrous. Pricing is for the dealer to determine RRP is on the web site
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2016, 08:01 AM »
Hi
 The legs for the KS120/88 will fit the KS60 adaptor plate. However, the two saws are different in width so a new set is available specific to the KS60
https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=201909&name=Accessories-for-KS-60-sliding-compound-mitre-saw-KA-UG-KS-60-R-L
RG
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Aha,.....that's where I made my mistake Phil. I looked at the Festool site and in the accessories list for the KS60 saw that the leg set was a different number to the KS120 leg set.
My apologies....!!!

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2016, 01:26 PM »
Nice to see we'll be getting a 110 volt version in the UK for site use  [drooling]   I can see another hit on my bank balance coming soon.......

Maybe it will be NAINA after all, guys. Pity it isn't the other way round for the Domino 700 and LS130 - I'd love to see tham in 110 volt
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2016, 09:50 AM »
I went to check this today. Maybe you know these already, but just in case.

KS 60 don't have specific clamps like KS 120. You can use normal Festool clamps instead (FSZ 120 / FS-HZ 160). That means you can't clamp wide  boards when cutting. On saw table there are holes for clamps and they are covered with board.

Extensions are same as in KS 120, but scales differ because of saw width. KS 60 extensions spread over 2500 mm.

Add 40 mm backing when trenching.

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2016, 12:01 PM »
I went to check this today. Maybe you know these already, but just in case.

KS 60 don't have specific clamps like KS 120. You can use normal Festool clamps instead (FSZ 120 / FS-HZ 160). That means you can't clamp wide  boards when cutting. On saw table there are holes for clamps and they are covered with board.

Extensions are same as in KS 120, but scales differ because of saw width. KS 60 extensions spread over 2500 mm.

Add 40 mm backing when trenching.

....a clamp is supplied with each machine
rg
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2016, 01:14 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the adapter plate, for the UG frame, not take the offset into account for the existing UG extensions?
Bit of a -up if it doesn't!
I was looking to get this saw with the frame/adapter only, as I already have the extensions, but may also hold off if there's a chance of a cordless version in the pipeline. Motor has similar power to TS/HK saws, which already have cordless variants, so don't see a problem in producing it.
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #74 on: December 05, 2016, 01:37 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the adapter plate, for the UG frame, not take the offset into account for the existing UG extensions?
Bit of a -up if it doesn't!
I was looking to get this saw with the frame/adapter only, as I already have the extensions, but may also hold off if there's a chance of a cordless version in the pipeline. Motor has similar power to TS/HK saws, which already have cordless variants, so don't see a problem in producing it.
Alan

That is what they told me in Festool Finland. Same extensions, but scale is different.

Actually they told that KS 60 is getting its own cart / frame later. Maybe Phil can confirm this?

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2016, 02:18 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the adapter plate, for the UG frame, not take the offset into account for the existing UG extensions?
Bit of a -up if it doesn't!
I was looking to get this saw with the frame/adapter only, as I already have the extensions, but may also hold off if there's a chance of a cordless version in the pipeline. Motor has similar power to TS/HK saws, which already have cordless variants, so don't see a problem in producing it.
Alan

That is what they told me in Festool Finland. Same extensions, but scale is different.

Actually they told that KS 60 is getting its own cart / frame later. Maybe Phil can confirm this?

Vesa

Hi
The current leg extensions fit but the scale is off. The KS60 has its own leg extensions available so the measurements are correct.
The UG frame will not be changed and will fit both saws.
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2016, 02:21 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the adapter plate, for the UG frame, not take the offset into account for the existing UG extensions?
Bit of a -up if it doesn't!
I was looking to get this saw with the frame/adapter only, as I already have the extensions, but may also hold off if there's a chance of a cordless version in the pipeline. Motor has similar power to TS/HK saws, which already have cordless variants, so don't see a problem in producing it.
Alan

Hi
 No current plan for cordless version. The difference I width between the two saws is quite considerable hence the adaptor plate.
Rg
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2016, 09:13 AM »
KS 60 don't have specific clamps like KS 120. You can use normal Festool clamps instead (FSZ 120 / FS-HZ 160). That means you can't clamp wide  boards when cutting. On saw table there are holes for clamps and they are covered with board.

....a clamp is supplied with each machine

From what I've seen, there appear to be clamp slots at the front *and* the back of the bed, so you can use a normal Festool clamp from behind the fence to hold the piece when cutting a wide board.

[EDIT] Diagram from manual showing clamping from the rear in the same way that the clamps are used on the KS 120.


« Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 09:52 AM by GarryMartin »

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2016, 10:02 AM »
KS 60 don't have specific clamps like KS 120. You can use normal Festool clamps instead (FSZ 120 / FS-HZ 160). That means you can't clamp wide  boards when cutting. On saw table there are holes for clamps and they are covered with board.

....a clamp is supplied with each machine

From what I've seen, there appear to be clamp slots at the front *and* the back of the bed, so you can use a normal Festool clamp from behind the fence to hold the piece when cutting a wide board.


Thanks for correction. I was wondering why Festool did something halfway...

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2016, 10:46 AM »
Vesa,
Apologies, if you thought that I doubted you, I am just surprised at the oversight from Festool's engineers.
The extensions are expensive, so having to get another set, to do exactly the same thing, is asking a lot.
The fact that the adapter is made to fit on the existing cart, would it not have made more sense to allow the same extensions.
Imagine that you have both models of the saws set up on their carts and you inadvertently put the wrong extensions on each saw, you are going to make a lot of mistakes before you realise the error. I know they have a label on the top, but when you're setting up on site, usually in a hurry, that could easily be missed.
You shouldn't have to second guess the scale, and calculate each time you need to make a cut. That is why we pay so much more for Festool products, they should be right from the start.
Phil, thanks for the reply regarding the lack of a cordless variant anytime soon.
Once again, Festool are behind the market trend, when it comes to releasing new products.
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2016, 01:25 PM »
AJCruise, not at all.
I wondered it too, question is not relevant to me because I don't have those. You summarised  the problem very well.


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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2016, 05:32 PM »
I kind of like it. But, when looking at the size - it isn't particularly small. It is quite bulky and large for the cut capacity.
Also, looking at the weight it is a whopping 17,8 kg - that is quite heavy. It is almost five kilos more than my Makita LS0714 - which is also a very capable saw. 

Well, it is still 0,5 kg lighter than the Metabo KG SYM though I honestly feel like the Metabo might be more of what I am looking for in this size/capacity mitre saw.

I would have bought this Kapex 60  over a Kapex 120 for sure - but considering the options I am not so sure I would replace any of my saws with this.

I have been looking forward to a smaller Kapex for many years but I am not that impressed.
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2016, 04:09 AM »
Hi, I will soon replace my old saw with a KS 60 (or KS 120) and has a question about the new KS 60...

I have a TS 75 with (210 mm blade) with lots of different blades, Can I use these blades on KS 60 (blade 216 mm) ?

It differs only 6mm (210 vs 216 ) how important the differens ?

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2016, 04:25 AM »
Hi, I will soon replace my old saw with a KS 60 (or KS 120) and has a question about the new KS 60...

I have a TS 75 with (210 mm blade) with lots of different blades, Can I use these blades on KS 60 (blade 216 mm) ?

It differs only 6mm (210 vs 216 ) how important the differens ?

/ Nimos

The depth of cut will obviously be less. I might be wrong here but I'm sure the tooth shape is different on chopsaw blades.  Im sure they need a negative rake design which the ts75 may not have. I'm no expert though.

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2016, 04:32 AM »
Kinda sucks that the extension calibrations are different between the 120 and the 60, but I tend to use the 120 as a station and cut to length and I use my small Metabo SCMS I have to cut to mark. Yeh .. usage may differ [tongue]

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2016, 07:58 AM »
I don't see guys using an FSZ 1xx to hold down material with this thing. Too slow and too sloppy.

I agree FT seems to be missing the boat by not offering cordless with this.  Phil, could you elaborate on the thinking behind this decesion ?

Feels a lot like the decesion to not offer compact drill/drivers until recently.


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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2016, 08:44 AM »
.....I agree FT seems to be missing the boat by not offering cordless with this.  Phil, could you elaborate on the thinking behind this decesion ?

Feels a lot like the decesion to not offer compact drill/drivers until recently.

I'm not convinced there won't be a cordless version.  Let's wait 6-8 months and see.  I have no inside knowledge, just pure speculation on my part. 
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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2016, 09:36 AM »
@ginge
      "The depth of cut will obviously be less. I might be wrong here but I'm sure the tooth shape is different on chopsaw       blades.  Im sure they need a negative rake design which the ts75 may not have. I'm no expert though."

I thought, and am probably incorrect, that if the saw (moving) was being presented to the wood (stationary), a negative rake was desired, whereas, if the wood (moving) is presented to the saw (stationary) the rake should be positive.  With both the Miter/Chop/SCMS and the Plunge/TS saws the wood is stationary.  Please help clear this up for me.

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2016, 10:17 AM »
@ginge
      "The depth of cut will obviously be less. I might be wrong here but I'm sure the tooth shape is different on chopsaw       blades.  Im sure they need a negative rake design which the ts75 may not have. I'm no expert though."

I thought, and am probably incorrect, that if the saw (moving) was being presented to the wood (stationary), a negative rake was desired, whereas, if the wood (moving) is presented to the saw (stationary) the rake should be positive.  With both the Miter/Chop/SCMS and the Plunge/TS saws the wood is stationary.  Please help clear this up for me.
Thanks
Does not matter what's moving and what's stationary. Rip blades have high angle, cross cut - low to 0 angle, metal and plastic - 0 to negative angle.
SCMS blades tend to have lower angle than TS blades for equivalent material in order to minimize climbing. For example, Kapex fine cross cut is -5 deg., while TS75 fine cross cut is +5 deg. However, unlike Festool brand, most SCMS cross cut blades have low positive angle. I think TS75 cross cut will work on KS60 if arbor is the same.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2016, 10:40 AM by Svar »

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Re: New Kapex KS60
« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2016, 10:48 AM »
@Svar

Thanks!

Don
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