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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #120 on: December 26, 2017, 09:56 AM »
@Phil Beckley, when you return from holiday, could you please check to see if there's a mistake in the video regarding battery pairing, that only one battery can be paired at a time? Thank you.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #121 on: December 30, 2017, 08:44 AM »
I think they do mean one battery at the time for the pairing process,you can repeat the process 5 times to add all 5 batteries to the receiver. 

Also it will be nice for the receiver to recall  the batteries paired to it even though the vac is been switch from auto to manual or discconected from the power supply
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #122 on: January 01, 2018, 04:38 PM »
So when are we getting these new hoses?
The vacs aren't going up in price, but the old
hoses are.   

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #123 on: January 17, 2018, 03:34 PM »
Any update on the one-battery-only pairing limitation and so on ?  [unsure]

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #124 on: January 24, 2018, 10:06 AM »
timeframe on just the new hose being available here in USA? Unfortunately I don't think I can wait for the new Midi to come out but sure do like this hose

Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #125 on: January 27, 2018, 11:36 AM »
New hoses are out and have a really good feel to them, feels like quite an improvement. I am replacing two old hoses, one worn out and one slightly tatty. First dealer was out of stock and was clearing the old hoses at 30% before getting more new hoses in... ...guess I'll get my hoses from the next vendor...

Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying. 
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #126 on: January 28, 2018, 06:32 PM »
Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying.
It would be more annoying in case you would have to constantly pair different batteries (or juggle one between tools) because of the need to use several different tools in parallel (not at the same time but constantly changing between tools).

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #127 on: January 28, 2018, 08:26 PM »
Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying.
It would be more annoying in case you would have to constantly pair different batteries (or juggle one between tools) because of the need to use several different tools in parallel (not at the same time but constantly changing between tools).

If you can run a hose.. you can run a cord.

For the price of batteries you can let the vac run for hours while there is no need.

So to me it's a big nothingburger.

Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2018, 12:23 PM »
Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying.
It would be more annoying in case you would have to constantly pair different batteries (or juggle one between tools) because of the need to use several different tools in parallel (not at the same time but constantly changing between tools).

I still think it is more annoying having ALL tools trigger the Vac. Pairing can't be that bothersome when you switch batteries. Or is it? If so, theimplemented technology is at fault. I am going for the hose remote myself. Don't have any of them fancy batt's and leaving the Vac in Auto and clicking the hose end works for me.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2018, 01:27 PM »
I still think it is more annoying having ALL tools trigger the Vac. Pairing can't be that bothersome when you switch batteries. Or is it? If so, theimplemented technology is at fault. I am going for the hose remote myself. Don't have any of them fancy batt's and leaving the Vac in Auto and clicking the hose end works for me.

Actually, the solution is pretty simple, had Festool chosen to take it. They could have simply allowed for a de-pairing function, activated by holding the button longer and triggering the tool. Then you could have as many batteries paired as you wished, but still be able to remove one if it needed to be. Instead, they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2018, 10:03 AM »
they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.
No sale for me then.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2018, 10:23 AM »
Actually, the solution is pretty simple, had Festool chosen to take it. They could have simply allowed for a de-pairing function, activated by holding the button longer and triggering the tool. Then you could have as many batteries paired as you wished, but still be able to remove one if it needed to be. Instead, they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.

By turning the vac off you mean unplug the power cord or turn the power button from auto to off right?

Since my vac is always on auto, this seems to be a good way to avoid false triggering.

Q: by turning the vac off it will un-pair all batteries or only the batteries that are close enough? Say I have a batterie in the shop and another one at the client location, do the later will be also un-paired or it's already un-paired by being too far.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2018, 11:46 AM »
they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.
No sale for me then.


agreed... now lets discuss this new hose  [big grin]. Are there any secret agents working deep within Festool who can spill the beans on when the vacs in America will ship with them?

Also, Im wondering with the new braided fabric outer shell if chips/splinter material is more likely to get caught up in it as opposed to the current harder plastic hose.. I dont create much dust but do create larger/sharp chips from working with Dibond material (aluminum/plastic)

thoughts...???

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #133 on: February 04, 2018, 11:14 AM »
Any sign of the new hoses in the U.S. yet. I need one in a bad way. Lol

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2018, 12:18 PM »
Electrolux vacs used similar hoses (much less flexible, mind) for a long period between the late 50's to the 80's or thereabouts.  Many of these venerable machines are still going, without any noticeable difficulties with fouling of the nylon outer braids.  I seem to recall they had a tendency to fray around "pinch points" from memory.

Given that this "technology" has already been proven in use for 60+ years already, fouling doesn't seem an issue at least with these high quality Swedish hoses.  Presumably if Festool's hose supply subcontractor can manage to make their own imitation half as well, then you're at least assured of a working life of at least 30 years or so!
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #135 on: February 04, 2018, 12:38 PM »
No word yet on when the hoses and updated CT scope of delivery will change to the best of my knowledge.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #136 on: February 09, 2018, 10:20 AM »
My new smooth hose video it’s great unfortunately I will have to replace all my  hoses now!!



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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #137 on: February 10, 2018, 09:49 AM »
the Festool USA website now shows what looks like the new hose one the photos of their vacs. A few days ago the photos still showed the old hose so maybe they are about to start shipping them to USA??? But then I also noticed that when you click on the product and scroll down to all the items included with the vac, it still shows the old hose. So one photo shows new hose and another photo shows old hose... [blink]


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #138 on: February 10, 2018, 10:00 AM »
Just a heads up for those in the US; just because the images have changed doesn't mean that the product has changed.  Much of the internet and website work for Festool USA is now done in Germany and image population might be one of those across the board type of things across all country sites.

I virtually guarantee that Festool USA will make announcements about availability here once a date is set.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2018, 07:30 PM »
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2018, 01:47 AM »
I wonder how the new hoses fare when cutting them for eg shortening for use with a kapex.
Is the sleeve bonded to the hose or is it loose and will it fray?
And how easy/difficult is it to get rid of that godawful retarded new hose end and swap it out with the old ones?
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2018, 05:03 AM »
The sleeve is not glue or heatbonded as it seems but it is very snug. If it had been bonded it would not be as agile, now the two layers can slide (a little) so the hose is very flexible.

Fray? I have already a little fray mark on mine - but the fray does not wander off thanks to the knitted design. So far, I like it. Easier to pack and stow.

One small minus is that it is so flexible it literally snakes when coiling it up in hand or moving it about - but it is no big deal. It will probably be a little more annoying the longer the hose gets as the hose can start to wrap up around things if you have to pull it around an object / corner. That would only be a potential small annoying thing with the longer hoses, the standard hose should be just fine.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2018, 11:58 AM »
It slithers, and it really does look like a snake.   I can imagine that it will scare the life out of small children.   [big grin]

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2018, 12:13 PM »
@yetihunter
Will the new hose have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Maybe I should sell a few unused 27mm hoses? 
 [poke]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2018, 12:24 PM »
Will it have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Would anyone want to buy a few unused hoses? 
[thanks]

I'd like a dedicated 36mm hose for my miter saw. 3.5 would be longest I'd be interested in.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2018, 12:47 PM »
Will it have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Maybe I should sale a few unused 27mm hoses? 
 [poke]


I'd like a dedicated 36mm hose for my miter saw. 3.5 would be longest I'd be interested in.

PM me your location and I can work something out for you.
I should be more careful joking around. I did ask and since you responded, I’ll help you out. I’ll probably just hook you up with the hose and you can purchase the two hose end fittings.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2018, 12:48 AM »
@yetihunter
Will the new hose have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Maybe I should sell a few unused 27mm hoses? 
 [poke]

It doesn't glide as smoothly as the stopgap product with the white sleeve that came out about two years ago.   However, it definitely meets the need of no snags while also being much lighter, less cumbersome, smaller (but not a miniature hose diameter) and infinitely more flexible.   You won't be tripping over yourself thanks to
memory on a rigid hose and you won't mess up a router cut because you're suddenly trapped with a snag. 

I'm willing to wager that we will hear something about NA availability on March 1st.
Maybe even earlier if anyone in the UPS 1 day ground zone wants to get in deep doo doo and pass around some catalogs early. 😄