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Offline ChuckM

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2017, 06:15 PM »
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New for Europe 2018 usually =

AKA: “New for Canada 2020”!  [big grin]

By that time, I should have done enough projects with the existing shop vacs to retire them and ... to welcome a new CT shop member.  ;) [laughing] ;D [big grin]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2017, 08:05 PM »
Is the new T-loc hose garage more durable than the previous version, and is it retro-fittable?

Hi Frank
The hose garage has had a complete re-design and is very robust to the point of sitting comfortably.
rg
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This sounds a lot like it was lifted from a German translation. 

Phil , can you clarify whether the new garage has a different plastic formulation to help eliminate the cracked garages experienced by many users and dealers that ship the vacs ?   And can you translate the "point of sitting comfortably " from the Queen's to the 'Murican English we use here in the Colonies ?

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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2017, 08:19 PM »
Because of time differences I doubt @Phil Beckley can answer this right away.  After seeing the new hose garage and asking questions I can tell you that my understanding is that it is a thicker and different plastic and the re-enforcing (the undersides) looks entirely different than the previous models.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2017, 08:26 PM »
Man, this is going to get expensive! I have 6 CT’s, plus a few extra hoses, I hope that I don’t replace all of my hoses and hose garages when the new ones come out. I have 3 of the remote starters that Rick sales, so I may get a few of the new Festool ones when available. I do like the fact that one of Rick’s remotes can work up to 4 CT’s.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2017, 08:33 PM »
The remote and the receiver are already paired as sold. Press the button and the CT works. If you have a BT battery this can be paired with the reciever and the extractor will work when the cordless tool is switched on
Can the remote also easily be de-paired and then paired with another receiver?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2017, 12:21 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

.....what the guy above said  [cool]
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Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

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« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2017, 08:49 AM »
What would be nice though is if Festool redesigned the boards for the MINI & MIDI and at the same time incorporated the extra circuitry needed for the BT option on the new circuit board, as space within the vacs is tight for add-on modules.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have already redesigned the Mini/Midi and are sitting on it to sell the more of the larger (more profitable) vacs first.  In 10-12 months from now you'll see them.

I hope you're right Brice, I'd love to put this on my MIDI. I have a MAXSYS on the CT 22 & Jet DC and it is just so convenient.

I'm serious, everytime I actuate the MAXSYS, I bemoan the fact that I can't do the same with the MIDI. [mad] [mad]

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2017, 10:38 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

.....what the guy above said  [cool]
Rg
Phil


Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

Seth

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2017, 10:39 AM »
....and coiled in to the hose garage
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2017, 12:05 PM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.
Agree with Promark - It’s a godsend to have the CT running ONLY when you want to suck up stuff and NOT generating noise while you’re doing other things like prepping, adjusting, getting things out to the way.

I have the (easy to install) module and two conveniently-placed remote Fobs.  One by my 220V SawStop.  And one wherever needed - close to MFT for hand sanding and jig-sawing wood, close to bench vise for jigsawing or filing metal, close to drill press for high volume holes, and close to almost anything else that generates dust or chips.

When using my CT for cleanup, I really hate to have the CT making noise when moving things to prep for cleaning a specific spot.   Small shops mean more time movin’ stuff around.   Keeping the fob in my pocket makes is easy to shut down the CT, move things, turn on CT and keep going.

While many products and tools make life better, sometimes “little” products like the Maxsys greatly reduce the hassle factor in your workflow. I highly recommend the Maxsys.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2017, 12:20 PM »
Cant wait to see how much they want for the remote controller setup. If its around $100 Ill pick one up along with the new hose garage. The sleeved hose is meh IMO as the cord isnt run along the hose. I still prefer the DIY method with Techflex and heatshrink and the cord bundled with the hose.
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« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2017, 12:46 PM »
The sleeved hose is meh IMO as the cord isnt run along the hose. I still prefer the DIY method with Techflex and heatshrink and the cord bundled with the hose.

Indeed why didn't they have the cord embedded? Was it because the existence of different plugs?

I am happy with my DIY fix, too.

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« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2017, 01:31 PM »
Wow, that hose is like an Anaconda trying to strangle your arm.

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« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2017, 02:25 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley will the new hose fit completely into the new garage  - or will it be necessary to transport the vac with the hose attached to the inlet like is shown in your picture ?

and .....would you answer my previous question about the new garage composition .  It it just a different design, or has the plastic changed too ?


In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2017, 03:13 PM »
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In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley Snipe

In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

I am fine with Peter sharing his first hand observations. He isn't keeping the official parties from giving their responses as I see it.

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« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2017, 03:28 PM »
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In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley Snipe

In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

I am fine with Peter sharing his first hand observations. He isn't keeping the official parties from giving their responses as I see it.

Hey, no problem.  Seth and I had a special in person meeting with Festool USA at Lebanon and we were shown new products expected in 2018 and beyond and had them explained to us.  We had trainers in the room, those who are in charge of product in NA, and others and all were showing us the new products and differences between new and old (I didn't realize that there were two different incarnations of the present hose garages for instance) so that we could be up to speed once we heard about the releases.

Just trying to pass on info.

Peter
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2017, 04:20 PM »
In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

Sometimes the learned supposition is more accurate than the real deal...just sayin...the mod’s actually use the tools in real time.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2017, 04:54 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley will the new hose fit completely into the new garage  - or will it be necessary to transport the vac with the hose attached to the inlet like is shown in your picture ?

and .....would you answer my previous question about the new garage composition .  It it just a different design, or has the plastic changed too ?

Hi
 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
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« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2017, 07:13 PM »
I like the fact we are getting a better sleeved hose yet I cannot justify the cost of one without the Plug It cord. If it were to come with one built in I would definitely get one.

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« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2017, 08:20 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?


No, but had the chance to check it out in my own hands at HQ.





In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.


And maybe you will get one, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the details of the plastic composition.  I  think it might be made from magic dust.  [tongue]  Some first hand input isn't a bad thing.

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« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2017, 08:41 PM »

 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
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So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?
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« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2017, 08:51 PM »
Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2017, 01:29 AM »
So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?
Gather again: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/new-products-for-january-2018-facelift-for-2-36-48/msg531400/#msg531400

Looks like the old ones will work, or that the T-LOC ones can be secured more securely.

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« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2017, 10:31 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

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Rg
Phil


Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

Seth

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2017, 10:44 AM »
Indeed why didn't they have the cord embedded? Was it because the existence of different plugs?

I like the fact we are getting a better sleeved hose yet I cannot justify the cost of one without the Plug It cord. If it were to come with one built in I would definitely get one.

I think this hose is targeted more for the cordless crew. If you look at the brochure, it shows the hose being used with a TSC 55 twice, a HKC 55 and a BHC 18. There's only one shot of it being used with a corded tool...the ETS EC.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2017, 10:55 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

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« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2017, 11:17 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

I think you're right about the failing being an issue.  It doesn't look like the hose sleeve comes off easily, or maybe not at all.  Also, the cord end would be in the way when used with cordless tools.
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« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2017, 01:48 PM »
A couple of weeks back received my CT26, hose garage was cracked. Packing box had no any visible damage...
Old garage material looks to me pretty low quality, even somewhat brittle, not properly thick in most stressed places...

Though, I will not rush to buy new products, I usually wait a bit to see other's practical experience, with modern tendency of bringing out products as fast as possible, anything can pop up...   [unsure]

....
Phil , can you clarify whether the new garage has a different plastic formulation to help eliminate the cracked garages experienced by many users and dealers that ship the vacs ?   And can you translate the "point of sitting comfortably " from the Queen's to the 'Murican English we use here in the Colonies ?

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« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2017, 02:20 PM »

 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
rg
Phil


So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?

....will take the classic systainers and the T lock.
rg
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« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2017, 02:21 PM »
Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

....and in answer to your other question........
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