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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2017, 12:22 AM »
I see that the open secret is now just the open part.
Will there be a 36mm sibling?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2017, 04:45 AM »
Will there be a 36mm sibling?

Yes, there are four hoses mentioned.
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The D 36 will also be available in 5m and 7m versions.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2017, 05:08 AM »
Perfect!

Offline Bob D.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2017, 05:55 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

They make hoses for whole house central vac systems that have a power cord embedded in it to drive the power beater bar on the wand. I doubt it's rated for 120V/12A but it's there.

Speaking of central vac systems they also have what they call hose socks. I've seen two styles, one is a slip on with a draw-string tie at each end and the other is a zippered sleeve that would make it very easy to install/remove over a long hose and cord as needed. The price is not difficult to take either, less than US$50.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2017, 11:07 AM »
About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it. At the time I thought it was the new way on those vacs , but maybe they got one ahead of the release date?
Either way, I like the improvement .
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2017, 01:47 PM »
About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it.

The Midi has had a T-loc top as standard and available as a replacement part for quite some time.

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« Reply #96 on: December 13, 2017, 10:16 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

They make hoses for whole house central vac systems that have a power cord embedded in it to drive the power beater bar on the wand. I doubt it's rated for 120V/12A but it's there.

Speaking of central vac systems they also have what they call hose socks. I've seen two styles, one is a slip on with a draw-string tie at each end and the other is a zippered sleeve that would make it very easy to install/remove over a long hose and cord as needed. The price is not difficult to take either, less than US$50.

Those are rated 3A max.

There's a third type of sock that is stretchy, like a sock. 
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #97 on: December 13, 2017, 10:25 AM »
I realize that people are talking about other types of hose sleeves and it may or may not be obvious from the pictures and discussion but one thing to note about the new hose is that  "sleeved" is a bit of a misnomer. The outer "fabric"  is not so much a sleeve, more like the integral outer layer of the hose. I am not sure how easily removable it is.   But it is not  loose  like most hose sleeves.


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #98 on: December 13, 2017, 11:24 AM »
That sounds like a better setup than a loose fitting sleeve. A snug fitting outer jacket on the hose would be less prone to snagging or hanging up on anything.

Still, a power cord integrated into the hose for some applications would be nice.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #99 on: December 13, 2017, 12:01 PM »
@SRSemenza   is the inside of the hose smoother to allow for better airflow ?   Or is it still corrugated like the current versions ?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #100 on: December 13, 2017, 05:08 PM »
@SRSemenza   is the inside of the hose smoother to allow for better airflow ?   Or is it still corrugated like the current versions ?
.....slightly corrugated
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2017, 08:01 AM »
Here's a nerdy question for you @Phil Beckley which I realise this question may be one for the boffins in the Festool dungeons ;) Is the Bluetooth wizardry a proprietary system or is it using a common standardised Bluetooth protocol?

The reason for asking is the hope that the assorted tool manufacturers bringing out Bluetooth enabled vac-activating tools are indeed using a standardised protocol so, for example, Tool-M from Company-M can remotely switch on a vac from Company-F and vice versa. The letters I chose are purely coincidental and nothing to do with my Makita LXT kit nor my Festool vac of course.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #102 on: December 14, 2017, 09:15 AM »
@SRSemenza   is the inside of the hose smoother to allow for better airflow ?   Or is it still corrugated like the current versions ?
.....slightly corrugated
Rg
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@Phil Beckley    - the same or less "slightly" corrugated than the current versions ?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2017, 09:45 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter. The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #104 on: December 16, 2017, 09:42 PM »
What I’m waiting to see is how much easier it will be to put a 36mm new flex hose in my existing Shop/Tradesmen  Cleaning Systainer kit compared to the old/current 36mm hose it comes with.
The old hoses always fit, but more flexibility for a stock vac kit like these would be great.... [tongue]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2017, 12:05 AM »
What I’m waiting to see is how much easier it will be to put a 36mm new flex hose in my existing Shop/Tradesmen  Cleaning Systainer kit compared to the old/current 36mm hose it comes with.
The old hoses always fit, but more flexibility for a stock vac kit like these would be great.... [tongue]


It will be much easier. The hose I got to check out was the D36 and it was more flexible than a well used D27.  [thumbs up]


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2017, 03:51 AM »
I wish there was a conical hose 50mm to 36mm to hook up to the Kapex and hopefully improve dust collection...
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2017, 03:58 PM »
What I’m waiting to see is how much easier it will be to put a 36mm new flex hose in my existing Shop/Tradesmen  Cleaning Systainer kit compared to the old/current 36mm hose it comes with.
The old hoses always fit, but more flexibility for a stock vac kit like these would be great.... [tongue]


It will be much easier. The hose I got to check out was the D36 and it was more flexible than a well used D27.  [thumbs up]


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #108 on: December 22, 2017, 09:41 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #109 on: December 22, 2017, 10:13 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.

I watched the video and it states:
"Only one battery pack can be paired to the mobile dust extractor at a time."

"Registering a new battery pack cancels the pairing to the previous battery"


Does that mean I can't use a TSC & a cordless Carvex at the same time without:
1. Swapping the same battery out between the TSC & Carvex?
2. Re-registering the battery packs everytime I change between the 2 tools?
3. Using 2 different vacuums?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #110 on: December 22, 2017, 10:18 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.

I watched the video and it states:
"Only one battery pack can be paired to the mobile dust extractor at a time."

"Registering a new battery pack cancels the pairing to the previous battery"


Does that mean I can't use a TSC & a cordless Carvex at the same time without:
1. Swapping the same battery out between the TSC & Carvex?
2. Re-registering the battery packs everytime I change between the 2 tools?
3. Using 2 different vacuums?

Would option 4 work? Use the remote button instead of pairing the battery.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #111 on: December 22, 2017, 10:24 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.



.....you can pair 5 battery packs to the receiver on the extractor!!
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« Reply #112 on: December 22, 2017, 10:33 AM »
.....you can pair 5 battery packs to the receiver on the extractor!!
Rg
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Hey Phil...take a look at 1:21 & 1:26 on the video.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2017, 05:03 PM »
I agree this is odd.

If you are constantly switching between cordless tools, you have to pair each too to the vac, each time you want to use the other tool.
At least that is what the video says.
Also every time you're plugin the battery onto the charger, pairing is lost.

I think that needs clarifying or the whole system is just poorly though out.

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« Reply #114 on: December 25, 2017, 02:48 AM »
I agree this is odd.

If you are constantly switching between cordless tools, you have to pair each too to the vac, each time you want to use the other tool.
At least that is what the video says.
Also every time you're plugin the battery onto the charger, pairing is lost.

I think that needs clarifying or the whole system is just poorly though out.

In certain circumstances, this auto decoupling is a good thing.  In intensive worksite use, a multitool, multivac scenario allows free interchange of tools & batteries without unwanted, inadvertent activation of vacs.

I really, really like the look of those "Electrolux" hoses.  The old corrugated versions were always troublesome buggers around guiderail ends & arrises.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #115 on: December 25, 2017, 05:54 AM »
At least that is what the video says.
As possible interpretion of 0:57 of the video is that there is a need to preface each use (power-on) of the tool with a press of the button of the vac.
Should the battery auto-depair from the vac (thus their connection simply being a glorified one-time auto-off of the vac) the system would IMHO be completely useless.

I really hope that this is a flaw of the video, not the system.

No idea thought why only one battery can be paired with a vac at any time, while 5 remotes can.
Being able to only pair one battery at a time makes it look pointless for setups where you swap tools...

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Also every time you're plugin the battery onto the charger, pairing is lost.
That mechanic is IMHO reasonable.


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #116 on: December 25, 2017, 11:09 AM »
Like I suggested earlier, just use the remote button at the end of the hose and don’t even mess with pairing multiple batteries. That is how the MaxSys works and it works fine. Your going to be using the hose anyway and the remote is right there. It is not as simple has just pulling the trigger on a tool and the vacuum comes on, but sometimes I prefer to have the vacuum run longer than the tool anyway.

With all of that said, I would still think with today’s technology that there must be a way to pair multiple batteries to one sensor. Someone else already mentioned this, if you are working with someone else that is also using a paired tool, they could inadvertently start the vacuum. Now if you work by yourself, pairing only one battery would be frustrating.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #117 on: December 25, 2017, 12:22 PM »
When I first heard about Festool's remote, I was surprised that they were using Bluetooth. Bluetooth is a serial communications format. When all you are doing is turning something on and off, why do you need "data", when all you really need is a unique ID for each transmitter? And depending on the class, it also has a very limited range.

But these inconveniences of only pairing 1 battery at a time, and everything de-pairing when the vac is unplugged are deliberate designs. I don't know why it would be deliberate, but it is nevertheless, deliberate design. It's one thing to make it easy to un-pair a tool that's not being used with the vac, but Festool took that too far and made it "mandatory" without giving the user the option.

If you're switching back and forth between a couple of tools to do an operation, you have to walk back over to the vac to re-pair the tool every time you switch. It kind of defeats the purpose of triggering from the battery in the first place.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #118 on: December 26, 2017, 12:33 AM »
If you're switching back and forth between a couple of tools to do an operation, you have to walk back over to the vac to re-pair the tool every time you switch. It kind of defeats the purpose of triggering from the battery in the first place.

Ya I’m still confused over this one. I’m still hoping that the Festool video is incorrect.

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« Reply #119 on: December 26, 2017, 03:17 AM »
The video does seem to make it very clear that it can only pair one battery at one time.

It’s not like it was a single word miss type like JMB speak.

Based on the video it seems the bluetooth battery option is not the way to go.

You gotta swap the hose from tool to tool any way so you might as well just have the single transmitter on the end of the hose.  Otherwise your just going back and forth to the vacuum to pair batteries so you be paying more money for something more inconvenient.

I think I’ll be getting a hose with transmitter won’t bother with the blue tooth batteries waste of time and money after watching this video.
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