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Hi
 New products for release in 2018 are on this link in relation to extraction
https://www.festool.co.uk/campaigns/microsites/dustfree#Introduction
Any questions post here and will get back to you.....



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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2017, 12:00 PM »
Manual remote switch. Finally!
"tapered hose", "conical geometry" of the hose, what does it mean? Hose has different diameter at the opposite ends?
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 12:06 PM by Svar »

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2017, 12:03 PM »
When will it be available in the United States market?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2017, 12:04 PM »
BlueTooth Battery Packs?  Is that new or already available?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2017, 12:09 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2017, 12:17 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

+1

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2017, 12:31 PM »
Just to confirm, this is all retrofit ready for current CT26/36/48 owners?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2017, 12:31 PM »
Manual remote switch. Finally!
"tapered hose", "conical geometry" of the hose, what does it mean? Hose has different diameter at the opposite ends?

.....swap conical for tapered. 27-32 mm
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2017, 12:33 PM »
BlueTooth Battery Packs?  Is that new or already available?

....new for Europe 2018
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2017, 12:37 PM »
Awesome. It seems like the bluetooth module is an add-on we can buy and add to our existing dust extractor. The fineprint states: * Only suitable for retrofitting to CT 26/36/48. Must be carried out by a qualified electrician.

But anyways, it seems to have the same feature on the dust extractor that Makita recently launches
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2017, 01:20 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

+1

+1 -- please bring back the old hose nozzle - the new one just does not work that well.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2017, 01:43 PM »
Will definitely wait until the new year for a bigger vac now :D

2018 might be a very promising year from Festool
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 01:47 PM by Jmacpherson »

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2017, 01:46 PM »
Is the new T-loc hose garage more durable than the previous version, and is it retro-fittable?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2017, 01:48 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

+1

+1 -- please bring back the old hose nozzle - the new one just does not work that well.

you took the words right outa my mouth...


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 01:50 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

Edit

T-Loc: nice (at last)


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2017, 01:50 PM »
Lots to like, but I had to smile at the byline "Taking suction to a new dimension."  I was imagining Dr. Who with Bluetooth connectivity to a CT 36 in another dimension.  (It's the curse of semi-random associations...)

Ditto on the questions about a redesigned garage, retrofitting for Bluetooth (including the little hose button?), and availability in NA.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2017, 02:12 PM »
Someone has to ask the obvious question Phil.... Can you give us an idea on the price of these new items....?? Or do we contact Festool HQ or contact our Dealers..?

Regards, Tim.

EDIT........Its ok, I found the prices on the PDF Download..... [embarassed]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2017, 02:28 PM »
I have a few questions (including some already posed):

1) Is the (nice) new hose interchangeable with the old style?  i.e can the new hose plug into the inlet in the old machines?

2) Is the new T-Loc hose garage retro-fittable to the old machines?

3) Can the old style tool-end connector be fitted to the new hose?

4) Does the existing reusable dustbag (for the CT26) fit the new machine?

5) (I like the new Bluetooth module, but already use the spare module for an additional plug-it cord) Can anyone think of a way to fit the BT module as well as the additional plug connection?

I've been around long enough to know not to ask the price ;-).  I don't mind replacing my CT26, but would probably be happy with a T-Loc garage and hose upgrade (whilst ditching the messy "Cleantec" hose end).

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2017, 02:57 PM »
I have a few questions (including some already posed):

1) Is the (nice) new hose interchangeable with the old style?  i.e can the new hose plug into the inlet in the old machines?
yup

2) Is the new T-Loc hose garage retro-fittable to the old machines?
yup, four screws out and four to fit

3) Can the old style tool-end connector be fitted to the new hose?
Will check

4) Does the existing reusable dustbag (for the CT26) fit the new machine?
yup

5) (I like the new Bluetooth module, but already use the spare module for an additional plug-it cord) Can anyone think of a way to fit the BT module as well as the additional plug connection?

I've been around long enough to know not to ask the price ;-).  I don't mind replacing my CT26, but would probably be happy with a T-Loc garage and hose upgrade (whilst ditching the messy "Cleantec" hose end).

Cheers

.....hope that helps
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2017, 02:59 PM »
The new features sound great -- except the bit about the new Bluetooth Battery Packs sounds a little scary: "... and to make sure even cordless tools start automatically when the mobile dust extractor is switched on."

 [scared]  [eek] [blink]


I see that the PDF has corrected this.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 03:01 PM by Corwin »
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2017, 03:16 PM »
Did the CT's always come with just a 15 day guarantee instead of 30?

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2017, 03:21 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2017, 03:21 PM »
Not sure.  I thought all festool products had 30 days.  I was looking at getting another CT26.  I guess I'll wait and see how long it will be before they are available in the US.

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2017, 03:38 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.
Okay, not so good for the UK.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2017, 04:14 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.
Okay, not so good for the UK.

30 days might be more convenient, but 15 days should be plenty of time to judge if a tool suits you or not.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2017, 04:19 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.
Okay, not so good for the UK.

We used to have 30 days in the UK but it changed to 15 days a couple of years back...........

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2017, 04:30 PM »
Is the new T-loc hose garage more durable than the previous version, and is it retro-fittable?

Hi Frank
The hose garage has had a complete re-design and is very robust to the point of sitting comfortably.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2017, 04:34 PM »
Hi
 Hopefully this will load - the PDF. Page 5 shows a cool feature  [smile]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2017, 04:40 PM »
Hi
 Connecting the battery is simple....and 5 batteries can be connected to one receiver.
Push the green button on the receiver....a blue light will 'spin' around the outside edge and when this happens pull the trigger on the machine and then they are connected.
The battery is the part 'connected' so this can be taken off and used on other machines also
To disconnect just put the battery on the charger
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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Hi
 Hopefully this will load - the PDF. Page 5 shows a cool feature  [smile]
rg
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Nice PDF - no suction in a new dimension :), but otherwise does a good job of describing the improvements.

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2017, 07:26 PM »
Guess not possible to use with ct22 then ? Nor is there a hose with plug it ?

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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2017, 07:58 PM »
If you are talking about the bluetooth accessory - no it won't.  I saw some of these products - AND MORE - a few weeks ago and asked because I have a CT-22 myself.

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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2017, 02:20 AM »
I take a midi with me on site I don't want to be lugging a ct 26 around. l hope the Smaller extractors get the bluetooth as well.

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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2017, 06:33 AM »
I saw some of these products - AND MORE - a few weeks ago […].
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Now we are REALLY curious. When are the drapes being lifted?
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2017, 07:09 AM »
New BT battery looks interesting, so will these come included with any new TSC 55 and T18+3 ?

As others have noted, pity it doesn't work with the smaller extractors ...

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2017, 07:19 AM »
New BT battery looks interesting, so will these come included with any new TSC 55 and T18+3 ?

As others have noted, pity it doesn't work with the smaller extractors ...
Also pity that it has to fully occupy the module bay, instead of being integrated into an outlet module.

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2017, 08:23 AM »
I saw some of these products - AND MORE - a few weeks ago […].
Peter

Now we are REALLY curious. When are the drapes being lifted?

Phil has been lifting drapes.  More drapes will be lifted if and when he is able  [popcorn].  As far as on this side of the pond, @TylerC will be the one lifting them when he is able.  I saw some stuff but have no idea if or when they will make it over here.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2017, 08:33 AM »
There's no NA announcement yet. However, I've seen the new hoses, and they are incredible. I never thought I'd be so excited about suction hoses.

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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2017, 09:23 AM »
There's no NA announcement yet. However, I've seen the new hoses, and they are incredible. I never thought I'd be so excited about suction hoses.

Ditto.  Can't wait for these to be available in NA !

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2017, 09:31 AM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2017, 09:35 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2017, 09:41 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

If you're in NA I'd go ahead and get one of the 26/36/48 models. Who knows when we will get the new version. The BT module seems to retrofit. If in the UK then. .hold out a bit.

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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2017, 10:09 AM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

I believe they're both birds of the same feather. Which would explain why Festool didn't release the bluetooth option for the MINI or MIDI. Both of those vacs need different circuit boards to enable BT.

What would be nice though is if Festool redesigned the boards for the MINI & MIDI and at the same time incorporated the extra circuitry needed for the BT option on the new circuit board, as space within the vacs is tight for add-on modules.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2017, 10:19 AM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

Hi
 Press the button on the end of the hose and this is picked up by the Bluetooth module.... [smile]. If a Bluetooth battery has been 'paired' then this will automatically start the extractor when the cordless is switched on.... [smile]
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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2017, 10:31 AM »
Sleeved hoses with a manual start!!!!!

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« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2017, 10:34 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

How long could you wait?

6 months (my guesstimate when the new extractors will be released to the NA market)?

If I were you (provided you have an alternative vac solution in the interim), I would definitely wait. A retrofitted CT is not the same as the factory version: not only may you need an electrician to do the retrofit (I am no electrician), but also the new hose is the way to go. The new ones have other features that a retrofitted one won't be able to offer.

I should also add that if I were looking for a CT and someone offered his (in used but excellent cond.) to me with a 30% discount today, I would still pass. The jump from the current generation of extractors to the one we see in the video is a nice surprise. (I sold my CT26 a few years ago; I now have room to come back for the new one!)
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2017, 10:42 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

Here in the US we have not had a totally predictable release schedule based on a timeframe in other parts of the world, especially when it comes to items with motors that have to go thru testing processes.  If you are in need of an extractor go ahead and purchase now.  The quality of life aspect will kick in right away.

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« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2017, 11:01 AM »
I am in NA.  I am in need of some sort of dust collection as I am starting a bunch of built in's for the house I just remodeled.  I can't wait six months, I'll just get it and see what happens down the road.

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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2017, 11:34 AM »
You would think with all the new US marketing Festool has done lately, they would stop this NAINA BS.


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« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2017, 11:52 AM »
Safety testing & certification (UL for Canada) does take time, unfortunately. I came across some excellent products in the States, but upon inquiry, I found out they were not available in Canada because of UL certification issues.

Since Festool has done such certifications before for CTs, I am hoping that the certification process won't drag out too long. In the meantime, I have a dust collector and three shop vacs meeting my shop needs.


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2017, 12:02 PM »
What would be nice though is if Festool redesigned the boards for the MINI & MIDI and at the same time incorporated the extra circuitry needed for the BT option on the new circuit board, as space within the vacs is tight for add-on modules.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have already redesigned the Mini/Midi and are sitting on it to sell the more of the larger (more profitable) vacs first.  In 10-12 months from now you'll see them. 
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« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2017, 12:07 PM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

Hi
 Press the button on the end of the hose and this is picked up by the Bluetooth module.... [smile]. If a Bluetooth battery has been 'paired' then this will automatically start the extractor when the cordless is switched on.... [smile]
rg
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If I understand you correctly Phil the BT remote on the hose end will not actuate the CT unless the CT has been paired with a BT battery, even if that battery is not in use at the time.

So, if I had a BT battery paired to the CT, and was using a tool with a battery other than the BT battery paired to the CVT, I could start/stop the CT using the manual remote on the hose end.

But, conversely, if no BT battery has been paired to the CT the manual remote button on the hose will not work.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2017, 12:25 PM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

Hi
 Press the button on the end of the hose and this is picked up by the Bluetooth module.... [smile]. If a Bluetooth battery has been 'paired' then this will automatically start the extractor when the cordless is switched on.... [smile]
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If I understand you correctly Phil the BT remote on the hose end will not actuate the CT unless the CT has been paired with a BT battery, even if that battery is not in use at the time.

So, if I had a BT battery paired to the CT, and was using a tool with a battery other than the BT battery paired to the CVT, I could start/stop the CT using the manual remote on the hose end.

But, conversely, if no BT battery has been paired to the CT the manual remote button on the hose will not work.

The remote and the receiver are already paired as sold. Press the button and the CT works. If you have a BT battery this can be paired with the reciever and the extractor will work when the cordless tool is switched on
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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2017, 03:33 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

The bluetooth vacuums are also great! Would like a MIDI with bluetooth though.

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« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2017, 04:30 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

The bluetooth vacuums are also great! Would like a MIDI with bluetooth though.

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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2017, 05:09 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

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« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2017, 05:38 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2017, 05:52 PM »

Hi
 Tomorrow I will post some more images of the hose ..... [smile]

More images?!

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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2017, 06:09 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2017, 06:10 PM »
BlueTooth Battery Packs?  Is that new or already available?

....new for Europe 2018
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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2017, 06:15 PM »
Quote from: Steven

New for Europe 2018 usually =

AKA: “New for Canada 2020”!  [big grin]

By that time, I should have done enough projects with the existing shop vacs to retire them and ... to welcome a new CT shop member.  ;) [laughing] ;D [big grin]
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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2017, 08:05 PM »
Is the new T-loc hose garage more durable than the previous version, and is it retro-fittable?

Hi Frank
The hose garage has had a complete re-design and is very robust to the point of sitting comfortably.
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This sounds a lot like it was lifted from a German translation. 

Phil , can you clarify whether the new garage has a different plastic formulation to help eliminate the cracked garages experienced by many users and dealers that ship the vacs ?   And can you translate the "point of sitting comfortably " from the Queen's to the 'Murican English we use here in the Colonies ?

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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2017, 08:19 PM »
Because of time differences I doubt @Phil Beckley can answer this right away.  After seeing the new hose garage and asking questions I can tell you that my understanding is that it is a thicker and different plastic and the re-enforcing (the undersides) looks entirely different than the previous models.
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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2017, 08:26 PM »
Man, this is going to get expensive! I have 6 CT’s, plus a few extra hoses, I hope that I don’t replace all of my hoses and hose garages when the new ones come out. I have 3 of the remote starters that Rick sales, so I may get a few of the new Festool ones when available. I do like the fact that one of Rick’s remotes can work up to 4 CT’s.
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« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2017, 08:33 PM »
The remote and the receiver are already paired as sold. Press the button and the CT works. If you have a BT battery this can be paired with the reciever and the extractor will work when the cordless tool is switched on
Can the remote also easily be de-paired and then paired with another receiver?

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« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2017, 12:21 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

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Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

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« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2017, 08:49 AM »
What would be nice though is if Festool redesigned the boards for the MINI & MIDI and at the same time incorporated the extra circuitry needed for the BT option on the new circuit board, as space within the vacs is tight for add-on modules.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have already redesigned the Mini/Midi and are sitting on it to sell the more of the larger (more profitable) vacs first.  In 10-12 months from now you'll see them.

I hope you're right Brice, I'd love to put this on my MIDI. I have a MAXSYS on the CT 22 & Jet DC and it is just so convenient.

I'm serious, everytime I actuate the MAXSYS, I bemoan the fact that I can't do the same with the MIDI. [mad] [mad]

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« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2017, 10:38 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

.....what the guy above said  [cool]
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Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

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« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2017, 10:39 AM »
....and coiled in to the hose garage
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« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2017, 12:05 PM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.
Agree with Promark - It’s a godsend to have the CT running ONLY when you want to suck up stuff and NOT generating noise while you’re doing other things like prepping, adjusting, getting things out to the way.

I have the (easy to install) module and two conveniently-placed remote Fobs.  One by my 220V SawStop.  And one wherever needed - close to MFT for hand sanding and jig-sawing wood, close to bench vise for jigsawing or filing metal, close to drill press for high volume holes, and close to almost anything else that generates dust or chips.

When using my CT for cleanup, I really hate to have the CT making noise when moving things to prep for cleaning a specific spot.   Small shops mean more time movin’ stuff around.   Keeping the fob in my pocket makes is easy to shut down the CT, move things, turn on CT and keep going.

While many products and tools make life better, sometimes “little” products like the Maxsys greatly reduce the hassle factor in your workflow. I highly recommend the Maxsys.

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« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2017, 12:20 PM »
Cant wait to see how much they want for the remote controller setup. If its around $100 Ill pick one up along with the new hose garage. The sleeved hose is meh IMO as the cord isnt run along the hose. I still prefer the DIY method with Techflex and heatshrink and the cord bundled with the hose.
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« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2017, 12:46 PM »
The sleeved hose is meh IMO as the cord isnt run along the hose. I still prefer the DIY method with Techflex and heatshrink and the cord bundled with the hose.

Indeed why didn't they have the cord embedded? Was it because the existence of different plugs?

I am happy with my DIY fix, too.

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« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2017, 01:31 PM »
Wow, that hose is like an Anaconda trying to strangle your arm.

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« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2017, 02:25 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley will the new hose fit completely into the new garage  - or will it be necessary to transport the vac with the hose attached to the inlet like is shown in your picture ?

and .....would you answer my previous question about the new garage composition .  It it just a different design, or has the plastic changed too ?


In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

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« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2017, 03:13 PM »
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In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley Snipe

In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

I am fine with Peter sharing his first hand observations. He isn't keeping the official parties from giving their responses as I see it.

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« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2017, 03:28 PM »
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In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley Snipe

In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

I am fine with Peter sharing his first hand observations. He isn't keeping the official parties from giving their responses as I see it.

Hey, no problem.  Seth and I had a special in person meeting with Festool USA at Lebanon and we were shown new products expected in 2018 and beyond and had them explained to us.  We had trainers in the room, those who are in charge of product in NA, and others and all were showing us the new products and differences between new and old (I didn't realize that there were two different incarnations of the present hose garages for instance) so that we could be up to speed once we heard about the releases.

Just trying to pass on info.

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« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2017, 04:20 PM »
In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

Sometimes the learned supposition is more accurate than the real deal...just sayin...the mod’s actually use the tools in real time.

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« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2017, 04:54 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley will the new hose fit completely into the new garage  - or will it be necessary to transport the vac with the hose attached to the inlet like is shown in your picture ?

and .....would you answer my previous question about the new garage composition .  It it just a different design, or has the plastic changed too ?

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 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
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« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2017, 07:13 PM »
I like the fact we are getting a better sleeved hose yet I cannot justify the cost of one without the Plug It cord. If it were to come with one built in I would definitely get one.

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« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2017, 08:20 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?


No, but had the chance to check it out in my own hands at HQ.





In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.


And maybe you will get one, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the details of the plastic composition.  I  think it might be made from magic dust.  [tongue]  Some first hand input isn't a bad thing.

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« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2017, 08:41 PM »

 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
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So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?
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« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2017, 08:51 PM »
Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

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« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2017, 01:29 AM »
So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?
Gather again: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/new-products-for-january-2018-facelift-for-2-36-48/msg531400/#msg531400

Looks like the old ones will work, or that the T-LOC ones can be secured more securely.

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« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2017, 10:31 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

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Rg
Phil


Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

Seth

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« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2017, 10:44 AM »
Indeed why didn't they have the cord embedded? Was it because the existence of different plugs?

I like the fact we are getting a better sleeved hose yet I cannot justify the cost of one without the Plug It cord. If it were to come with one built in I would definitely get one.

I think this hose is targeted more for the cordless crew. If you look at the brochure, it shows the hose being used with a TSC 55 twice, a HKC 55 and a BHC 18. There's only one shot of it being used with a corded tool...the ETS EC.

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« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2017, 10:55 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

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« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2017, 11:17 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

I think you're right about the failing being an issue.  It doesn't look like the hose sleeve comes off easily, or maybe not at all.  Also, the cord end would be in the way when used with cordless tools.
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« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2017, 01:48 PM »
A couple of weeks back received my CT26, hose garage was cracked. Packing box had no any visible damage...
Old garage material looks to me pretty low quality, even somewhat brittle, not properly thick in most stressed places...

Though, I will not rush to buy new products, I usually wait a bit to see other's practical experience, with modern tendency of bringing out products as fast as possible, anything can pop up...   [unsure]

....
Phil , can you clarify whether the new garage has a different plastic formulation to help eliminate the cracked garages experienced by many users and dealers that ship the vacs ?   And can you translate the "point of sitting comfortably " from the Queen's to the 'Murican English we use here in the Colonies ?

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« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2017, 02:20 PM »

 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
rg
Phil


So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?

....will take the classic systainers and the T lock.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2017, 02:21 PM »
Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

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Offline yetihunter

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2017, 12:22 AM »
I see that the open secret is now just the open part.
Will there be a 36mm sibling?

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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2017, 04:45 AM »
Will there be a 36mm sibling?

Yes, there are four hoses mentioned.
  • D 27
  • D 27/32
  • D 36
  • D 36/32
The D 36 will also be available in 5m and 7m versions.

Offline yetihunter

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2017, 05:08 AM »
Perfect!

Offline Bob D.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2017, 05:55 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

They make hoses for whole house central vac systems that have a power cord embedded in it to drive the power beater bar on the wand. I doubt it's rated for 120V/12A but it's there.

Speaking of central vac systems they also have what they call hose socks. I've seen two styles, one is a slip on with a draw-string tie at each end and the other is a zippered sleeve that would make it very easy to install/remove over a long hose and cord as needed. The price is not difficult to take either, less than US$50.
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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2017, 11:07 AM »
About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it. At the time I thought it was the new way on those vacs , but maybe they got one ahead of the release date?
Either way, I like the improvement .
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2017, 01:47 PM »
About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it.

The Midi has had a T-loc top as standard and available as a replacement part for quite some time.