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Hi
 New products for release in 2018 are on this link in relation to extraction
https://www.festool.co.uk/campaigns/microsites/dustfree#Introduction
Any questions post here and will get back to you.....



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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2017, 12:00 PM »
Manual remote switch. Finally!
"tapered hose", "conical geometry" of the hose, what does it mean? Hose has different diameter at the opposite ends?
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 12:06 PM by Svar »

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2017, 12:03 PM »
When will it be available in the United States market?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2017, 12:04 PM »
BlueTooth Battery Packs?  Is that new or already available?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2017, 12:09 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2017, 12:17 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

+1

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2017, 12:31 PM »
Just to confirm, this is all retrofit ready for current CT26/36/48 owners?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2017, 12:31 PM »
Manual remote switch. Finally!
"tapered hose", "conical geometry" of the hose, what does it mean? Hose has different diameter at the opposite ends?

.....swap conical for tapered. 27-32 mm
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2017, 12:33 PM »
BlueTooth Battery Packs?  Is that new or already available?

....new for Europe 2018
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2017, 12:37 PM »
Awesome. It seems like the bluetooth module is an add-on we can buy and add to our existing dust extractor. The fineprint states: * Only suitable for retrofitting to CT 26/36/48. Must be carried out by a qualified electrician.

But anyways, it seems to have the same feature on the dust extractor that Makita recently launches
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2017, 01:20 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

+1

+1 -- please bring back the old hose nozzle - the new one just does not work that well.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2017, 01:43 PM »
Will definitely wait until the new year for a bigger vac now :D

2018 might be a very promising year from Festool
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 01:47 PM by Jmacpherson »

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2017, 01:46 PM »
Is the new T-loc hose garage more durable than the previous version, and is it retro-fittable?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2017, 01:48 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

+1

+1 -- please bring back the old hose nozzle - the new one just does not work that well.

you took the words right outa my mouth...


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 01:50 PM »
Bluetooth: nice.
Smooth hose: nice.

Now get back to the old nozzle and it's perfect. And maybe a tad more suction.

Edit

T-Loc: nice (at last)


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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2017, 01:50 PM »
Lots to like, but I had to smile at the byline "Taking suction to a new dimension."  I was imagining Dr. Who with Bluetooth connectivity to a CT 36 in another dimension.  (It's the curse of semi-random associations...)

Ditto on the questions about a redesigned garage, retrofitting for Bluetooth (including the little hose button?), and availability in NA.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2017, 02:12 PM »
Someone has to ask the obvious question Phil.... Can you give us an idea on the price of these new items....?? Or do we contact Festool HQ or contact our Dealers..?

Regards, Tim.

EDIT........Its ok, I found the prices on the PDF Download..... [embarassed]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2017, 02:28 PM »
I have a few questions (including some already posed):

1) Is the (nice) new hose interchangeable with the old style?  i.e can the new hose plug into the inlet in the old machines?

2) Is the new T-Loc hose garage retro-fittable to the old machines?

3) Can the old style tool-end connector be fitted to the new hose?

4) Does the existing reusable dustbag (for the CT26) fit the new machine?

5) (I like the new Bluetooth module, but already use the spare module for an additional plug-it cord) Can anyone think of a way to fit the BT module as well as the additional plug connection?

I've been around long enough to know not to ask the price ;-).  I don't mind replacing my CT26, but would probably be happy with a T-Loc garage and hose upgrade (whilst ditching the messy "Cleantec" hose end).

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2017, 02:57 PM »
I have a few questions (including some already posed):

1) Is the (nice) new hose interchangeable with the old style?  i.e can the new hose plug into the inlet in the old machines?
yup

2) Is the new T-Loc hose garage retro-fittable to the old machines?
yup, four screws out and four to fit

3) Can the old style tool-end connector be fitted to the new hose?
Will check

4) Does the existing reusable dustbag (for the CT26) fit the new machine?
yup

5) (I like the new Bluetooth module, but already use the spare module for an additional plug-it cord) Can anyone think of a way to fit the BT module as well as the additional plug connection?

I've been around long enough to know not to ask the price ;-).  I don't mind replacing my CT26, but would probably be happy with a T-Loc garage and hose upgrade (whilst ditching the messy "Cleantec" hose end).

Cheers

.....hope that helps
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2017, 02:59 PM »
The new features sound great -- except the bit about the new Bluetooth Battery Packs sounds a little scary: "... and to make sure even cordless tools start automatically when the mobile dust extractor is switched on."

 [scared]  [eek] [blink]


I see that the PDF has corrected this.  [big grin]
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 03:01 PM by Corwin »
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2017, 03:16 PM »
Did the CT's always come with just a 15 day guarantee instead of 30?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2017, 03:21 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2017, 03:21 PM »
Not sure.  I thought all festool products had 30 days.  I was looking at getting another CT26.  I guess I'll wait and see how long it will be before they are available in the US.

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2017, 03:38 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.
Okay, not so good for the UK.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2017, 04:14 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.
Okay, not so good for the UK.

30 days might be more convenient, but 15 days should be plenty of time to judge if a tool suits you or not.

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2017, 04:19 PM »
15 days in the U.K. 30 days here.
Okay, not so good for the UK.

We used to have 30 days in the UK but it changed to 15 days a couple of years back...........

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2017, 04:30 PM »
Is the new T-loc hose garage more durable than the previous version, and is it retro-fittable?

Hi Frank
The hose garage has had a complete re-design and is very robust to the point of sitting comfortably.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2017, 04:34 PM »
Hi
 Hopefully this will load - the PDF. Page 5 shows a cool feature  [smile]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2017, 04:40 PM »
Hi
 Connecting the battery is simple....and 5 batteries can be connected to one receiver.
Push the green button on the receiver....a blue light will 'spin' around the outside edge and when this happens pull the trigger on the machine and then they are connected.
The battery is the part 'connected' so this can be taken off and used on other machines also
To disconnect just put the battery on the charger
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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Hi
 Hopefully this will load - the PDF. Page 5 shows a cool feature  [smile]
rg
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Nice PDF - no suction in a new dimension :), but otherwise does a good job of describing the improvements.

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2017, 07:26 PM »
Guess not possible to use with ct22 then ? Nor is there a hose with plug it ?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2017, 07:58 PM »
If you are talking about the bluetooth accessory - no it won't.  I saw some of these products - AND MORE - a few weeks ago and asked because I have a CT-22 myself.

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« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2017, 02:20 AM »
I take a midi with me on site I don't want to be lugging a ct 26 around. l hope the Smaller extractors get the bluetooth as well.

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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2017, 06:33 AM »
I saw some of these products - AND MORE - a few weeks ago […].
Peter

Now we are REALLY curious. When are the drapes being lifted?
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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2017, 07:09 AM »
New BT battery looks interesting, so will these come included with any new TSC 55 and T18+3 ?

As others have noted, pity it doesn't work with the smaller extractors ...

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2017, 07:19 AM »
New BT battery looks interesting, so will these come included with any new TSC 55 and T18+3 ?

As others have noted, pity it doesn't work with the smaller extractors ...
Also pity that it has to fully occupy the module bay, instead of being integrated into an outlet module.

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2017, 08:23 AM »
I saw some of these products - AND MORE - a few weeks ago […].
Peter

Now we are REALLY curious. When are the drapes being lifted?

Phil has been lifting drapes.  More drapes will be lifted if and when he is able  [popcorn].  As far as on this side of the pond, @TylerC will be the one lifting them when he is able.  I saw some stuff but have no idea if or when they will make it over here.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2017, 08:33 AM »
There's no NA announcement yet. However, I've seen the new hoses, and they are incredible. I never thought I'd be so excited about suction hoses.

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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2017, 09:23 AM »
There's no NA announcement yet. However, I've seen the new hoses, and they are incredible. I never thought I'd be so excited about suction hoses.

Ditto.  Can't wait for these to be available in NA !

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2017, 09:31 AM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2017, 09:35 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2017, 09:41 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

If you're in NA I'd go ahead and get one of the 26/36/48 models. Who knows when we will get the new version. The BT module seems to retrofit. If in the UK then. .hold out a bit.

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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2017, 10:09 AM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

I believe they're both birds of the same feather. Which would explain why Festool didn't release the bluetooth option for the MINI or MIDI. Both of those vacs need different circuit boards to enable BT.

What would be nice though is if Festool redesigned the boards for the MINI & MIDI and at the same time incorporated the extra circuitry needed for the BT option on the new circuit board, as space within the vacs is tight for add-on modules.

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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2017, 10:19 AM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

Hi
 Press the button on the end of the hose and this is picked up by the Bluetooth module.... [smile]. If a Bluetooth battery has been 'paired' then this will automatically start the extractor when the cordless is switched on.... [smile]
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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2017, 10:31 AM »
Sleeved hoses with a manual start!!!!!

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« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2017, 10:34 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

How long could you wait?

6 months (my guesstimate when the new extractors will be released to the NA market)?

If I were you (provided you have an alternative vac solution in the interim), I would definitely wait. A retrofitted CT is not the same as the factory version: not only may you need an electrician to do the retrofit (I am no electrician), but also the new hose is the way to go. The new ones have other features that a retrofitted one won't be able to offer.

I should also add that if I were looking for a CT and someone offered his (in used but excellent cond.) to me with a 30% discount today, I would still pass. The jump from the current generation of extractors to the one we see in the video is a nice surprise. (I sold my CT26 a few years ago; I now have room to come back for the new one!)
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« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2017, 10:42 AM »
I was just about to take the plunge on my first vacuum, today actually.  Now to hold out or not?

Here in the US we have not had a totally predictable release schedule based on a timeframe in other parts of the world, especially when it comes to items with motors that have to go thru testing processes.  If you are in need of an extractor go ahead and purchase now.  The quality of life aspect will kick in right away.

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« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2017, 11:01 AM »
I am in NA.  I am in need of some sort of dust collection as I am starting a bunch of built in's for the house I just remodeled.  I can't wait six months, I'll just get it and see what happens down the road.

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« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2017, 11:34 AM »
You would think with all the new US marketing Festool has done lately, they would stop this NAINA BS.


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« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2017, 11:52 AM »
Safety testing & certification (UL for Canada) does take time, unfortunately. I came across some excellent products in the States, but upon inquiry, I found out they were not available in Canada because of UL certification issues.

Since Festool has done such certifications before for CTs, I am hoping that the certification process won't drag out too long. In the meantime, I have a dust collector and three shop vacs meeting my shop needs.


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« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2017, 12:02 PM »
What would be nice though is if Festool redesigned the boards for the MINI & MIDI and at the same time incorporated the extra circuitry needed for the BT option on the new circuit board, as space within the vacs is tight for add-on modules.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have already redesigned the Mini/Midi and are sitting on it to sell the more of the larger (more profitable) vacs first.  In 10-12 months from now you'll see them. 
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« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2017, 12:07 PM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

Hi
 Press the button on the end of the hose and this is picked up by the Bluetooth module.... [smile]. If a Bluetooth battery has been 'paired' then this will automatically start the extractor when the cordless is switched on.... [smile]
rg
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If I understand you correctly Phil the BT remote on the hose end will not actuate the CT unless the CT has been paired with a BT battery, even if that battery is not in use at the time.

So, if I had a BT battery paired to the CT, and was using a tool with a battery other than the BT battery paired to the CVT, I could start/stop the CT using the manual remote on the hose end.

But, conversely, if no BT battery has been paired to the CT the manual remote button on the hose will not work.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2017, 12:25 PM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.

Hi
 Press the button on the end of the hose and this is picked up by the Bluetooth module.... [smile]. If a Bluetooth battery has been 'paired' then this will automatically start the extractor when the cordless is switched on.... [smile]
rg
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If I understand you correctly Phil the BT remote on the hose end will not actuate the CT unless the CT has been paired with a BT battery, even if that battery is not in use at the time.

So, if I had a BT battery paired to the CT, and was using a tool with a battery other than the BT battery paired to the CVT, I could start/stop the CT using the manual remote on the hose end.

But, conversely, if no BT battery has been paired to the CT the manual remote button on the hose will not work.

The remote and the receiver are already paired as sold. Press the button and the CT works. If you have a BT battery this can be paired with the reciever and the extractor will work when the cordless tool is switched on
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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2017, 03:33 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

The bluetooth vacuums are also great! Would like a MIDI with bluetooth though.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2017, 04:30 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

The bluetooth vacuums are also great! Would like a MIDI with bluetooth though.

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 Tomorrow I will post some more images of the hose ..... [smile]
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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2017, 05:09 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

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« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2017, 05:38 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2017, 05:52 PM »

Hi
 Tomorrow I will post some more images of the hose ..... [smile]

More images?!

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2017, 06:09 PM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2017, 06:10 PM »
BlueTooth Battery Packs?  Is that new or already available?

....new for Europe 2018
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« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2017, 06:15 PM »
Quote from: Steven

New for Europe 2018 usually =

AKA: “New for Canada 2020”!  [big grin]

By that time, I should have done enough projects with the existing shop vacs to retire them and ... to welcome a new CT shop member.  ;) [laughing] ;D [big grin]
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« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2017, 08:05 PM »
Is the new T-loc hose garage more durable than the previous version, and is it retro-fittable?

Hi Frank
The hose garage has had a complete re-design and is very robust to the point of sitting comfortably.
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This sounds a lot like it was lifted from a German translation. 

Phil , can you clarify whether the new garage has a different plastic formulation to help eliminate the cracked garages experienced by many users and dealers that ship the vacs ?   And can you translate the "point of sitting comfortably " from the Queen's to the 'Murican English we use here in the Colonies ?

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« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2017, 08:19 PM »
Because of time differences I doubt @Phil Beckley can answer this right away.  After seeing the new hose garage and asking questions I can tell you that my understanding is that it is a thicker and different plastic and the re-enforcing (the undersides) looks entirely different than the previous models.

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« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2017, 08:26 PM »
Man, this is going to get expensive! I have 6 CT’s, plus a few extra hoses, I hope that I don’t replace all of my hoses and hose garages when the new ones come out. I have 3 of the remote starters that Rick sales, so I may get a few of the new Festool ones when available. I do like the fact that one of Rick’s remotes can work up to 4 CT’s.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2017, 08:33 PM »
The remote and the receiver are already paired as sold. Press the button and the CT works. If you have a BT battery this can be paired with the reciever and the extractor will work when the cordless tool is switched on
Can the remote also easily be de-paired and then paired with another receiver?

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« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2017, 12:21 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

.....what the guy above said  [cool]
Rg
Phil


Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

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« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2017, 08:49 AM »
What would be nice though is if Festool redesigned the boards for the MINI & MIDI and at the same time incorporated the extra circuitry needed for the BT option on the new circuit board, as space within the vacs is tight for add-on modules.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have already redesigned the Mini/Midi and are sitting on it to sell the more of the larger (more profitable) vacs first.  In 10-12 months from now you'll see them.

I hope you're right Brice, I'd love to put this on my MIDI. I have a MAXSYS on the CT 22 & Jet DC and it is just so convenient.

I'm serious, everytime I actuate the MAXSYS, I bemoan the fact that I can't do the same with the MIDI. [mad] [mad]

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2017, 10:38 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

.....what the guy above said  [cool]
Rg
Phil


Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

Seth

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« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2017, 10:39 AM »
....and coiled in to the hose garage
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2017, 12:05 PM »
Will the new bluetooth/manual button on the hose operate essentially the same way as Rick Christopherson's MAXSYS product?  The MAXSYS has been a godsend for convenience.
Agree with Promark - It’s a godsend to have the CT running ONLY when you want to suck up stuff and NOT generating noise while you’re doing other things like prepping, adjusting, getting things out to the way.

I have the (easy to install) module and two conveniently-placed remote Fobs.  One by my 220V SawStop.  And one wherever needed - close to MFT for hand sanding and jig-sawing wood, close to bench vise for jigsawing or filing metal, close to drill press for high volume holes, and close to almost anything else that generates dust or chips.

When using my CT for cleanup, I really hate to have the CT making noise when moving things to prep for cleaning a specific spot.   Small shops mean more time movin’ stuff around.   Keeping the fob in my pocket makes is easy to shut down the CT, move things, turn on CT and keep going.

While many products and tools make life better, sometimes “little” products like the Maxsys greatly reduce the hassle factor in your workflow. I highly recommend the Maxsys.

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« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2017, 12:20 PM »
Cant wait to see how much they want for the remote controller setup. If its around $100 Ill pick one up along with the new hose garage. The sleeved hose is meh IMO as the cord isnt run along the hose. I still prefer the DIY method with Techflex and heatshrink and the cord bundled with the hose.
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« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2017, 12:46 PM »
The sleeved hose is meh IMO as the cord isnt run along the hose. I still prefer the DIY method with Techflex and heatshrink and the cord bundled with the hose.

Indeed why didn't they have the cord embedded? Was it because the existence of different plugs?

I am happy with my DIY fix, too.

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« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2017, 01:31 PM »
Wow, that hose is like an Anaconda trying to strangle your arm.

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« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2017, 02:25 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley will the new hose fit completely into the new garage  - or will it be necessary to transport the vac with the hose attached to the inlet like is shown in your picture ?

and .....would you answer my previous question about the new garage composition .  It it just a different design, or has the plastic changed too ?


In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

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« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2017, 03:13 PM »
@S


In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley Snipe

In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

I am fine with Peter sharing his first hand observations. He isn't keeping the official parties from giving their responses as I see it.

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« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2017, 03:28 PM »
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In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley Snipe

In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

I am fine with Peter sharing his first hand observations. He isn't keeping the official parties from giving their responses as I see it.

Hey, no problem.  Seth and I had a special in person meeting with Festool USA at Lebanon and we were shown new products expected in 2018 and beyond and had them explained to us.  We had trainers in the room, those who are in charge of product in NA, and others and all were showing us the new products and differences between new and old (I didn't realize that there were two different incarnations of the present hose garages for instance) so that we could be up to speed once we heard about the releases.

Just trying to pass on info.

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« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2017, 04:20 PM »
In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.

Sometimes the learned supposition is more accurate than the real deal...just sayin...the mod’s actually use the tools in real time.

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« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2017, 04:54 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?

@Phil Beckley will the new hose fit completely into the new garage  - or will it be necessary to transport the vac with the hose attached to the inlet like is shown in your picture ?

and .....would you answer my previous question about the new garage composition .  It it just a different design, or has the plastic changed too ?

Hi
 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
rg
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« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2017, 07:13 PM »
I like the fact we are getting a better sleeved hose yet I cannot justify the cost of one without the Plug It cord. If it were to come with one built in I would definitely get one.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2017, 08:20 PM »
@Seth - do you have one of these hoses already ?   Are you testing it or a new vacuum ?


No, but had the chance to check it out in my own hands at HQ.





In all deference Peter, we'd rather have an official answer from Festool rather than your learned supposition.   Unless you are now speaking on Festool's behalf.


And maybe you will get one, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the details of the plastic composition.  I  think it might be made from magic dust.  [tongue]  Some first hand input isn't a bad thing.

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« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2017, 08:41 PM »

 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
rg
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So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?
Looks like your rabbit joint is a hare off! ;)

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« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2017, 08:51 PM »
Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

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« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2017, 01:29 AM »
So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?
Gather again: http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/new-products-for-january-2018-facelift-for-2-36-48/msg531400/#msg531400

Looks like the old ones will work, or that the T-LOC ones can be secured more securely.

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« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2017, 10:31 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

.....what the guy above said  [cool]
Rg
Phil


Just to add my   [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.   [thumbs up]

Seth

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« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2017, 10:44 AM »
Indeed why didn't they have the cord embedded? Was it because the existence of different plugs?

I like the fact we are getting a better sleeved hose yet I cannot justify the cost of one without the Plug It cord. If it were to come with one built in I would definitely get one.

I think this hose is targeted more for the cordless crew. If you look at the brochure, it shows the hose being used with a TSC 55 twice, a HKC 55 and a BHC 18. There's only one shot of it being used with a corded tool...the ETS EC.

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« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2017, 10:55 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

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« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2017, 11:17 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

I think you're right about the failing being an issue.  It doesn't look like the hose sleeve comes off easily, or maybe not at all.  Also, the cord end would be in the way when used with cordless tools.
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« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2017, 01:48 PM »
A couple of weeks back received my CT26, hose garage was cracked. Packing box had no any visible damage...
Old garage material looks to me pretty low quality, even somewhat brittle, not properly thick in most stressed places...

Though, I will not rush to buy new products, I usually wait a bit to see other's practical experience, with modern tendency of bringing out products as fast as possible, anything can pop up...   [unsure]

....
Phil , can you clarify whether the new garage has a different plastic formulation to help eliminate the cracked garages experienced by many users and dealers that ship the vacs ?   And can you translate the "point of sitting comfortably " from the Queen's to the 'Murican English we use here in the Colonies ?

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« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2017, 02:20 PM »

 Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
rg
Phil


So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?

....will take the classic systainers and the T lock.
rg
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« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2017, 02:21 PM »
Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

....and in answer to your other question........
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2017, 12:22 AM »
I see that the open secret is now just the open part.
Will there be a 36mm sibling?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2017, 04:45 AM »
Will there be a 36mm sibling?

Yes, there are four hoses mentioned.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2017, 05:08 AM »
Perfect!

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« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2017, 05:55 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

They make hoses for whole house central vac systems that have a power cord embedded in it to drive the power beater bar on the wand. I doubt it's rated for 120V/12A but it's there.

Speaking of central vac systems they also have what they call hose socks. I've seen two styles, one is a slip on with a draw-string tie at each end and the other is a zippered sleeve that would make it very easy to install/remove over a long hose and cord as needed. The price is not difficult to take either, less than US$50.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2017, 11:07 AM »
About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it. At the time I thought it was the new way on those vacs , but maybe they got one ahead of the release date?
Either way, I like the improvement .
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2017, 01:47 PM »
About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it.

The Midi has had a T-loc top as standard and available as a replacement part for quite some time.

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« Reply #96 on: December 13, 2017, 10:16 AM »
May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

They make hoses for whole house central vac systems that have a power cord embedded in it to drive the power beater bar on the wand. I doubt it's rated for 120V/12A but it's there.

Speaking of central vac systems they also have what they call hose socks. I've seen two styles, one is a slip on with a draw-string tie at each end and the other is a zippered sleeve that would make it very easy to install/remove over a long hose and cord as needed. The price is not difficult to take either, less than US$50.

Those are rated 3A max.

There's a third type of sock that is stretchy, like a sock. 
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #97 on: December 13, 2017, 10:25 AM »
I realize that people are talking about other types of hose sleeves and it may or may not be obvious from the pictures and discussion but one thing to note about the new hose is that  "sleeved" is a bit of a misnomer. The outer "fabric"  is not so much a sleeve, more like the integral outer layer of the hose. I am not sure how easily removable it is.   But it is not  loose  like most hose sleeves.


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« Reply #98 on: December 13, 2017, 11:24 AM »
That sounds like a better setup than a loose fitting sleeve. A snug fitting outer jacket on the hose would be less prone to snagging or hanging up on anything.

Still, a power cord integrated into the hose for some applications would be nice.
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« Reply #99 on: December 13, 2017, 12:01 PM »
@SRSemenza   is the inside of the hose smoother to allow for better airflow ?   Or is it still corrugated like the current versions ?

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« Reply #100 on: December 13, 2017, 05:08 PM »
@SRSemenza   is the inside of the hose smoother to allow for better airflow ?   Or is it still corrugated like the current versions ?
.....slightly corrugated
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« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2017, 08:01 AM »
Here's a nerdy question for you @Phil Beckley which I realise this question may be one for the boffins in the Festool dungeons ;) Is the Bluetooth wizardry a proprietary system or is it using a common standardised Bluetooth protocol?

The reason for asking is the hope that the assorted tool manufacturers bringing out Bluetooth enabled vac-activating tools are indeed using a standardised protocol so, for example, Tool-M from Company-M can remotely switch on a vac from Company-F and vice versa. The letters I chose are purely coincidental and nothing to do with my Makita LXT kit nor my Festool vac of course.

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« Reply #102 on: December 14, 2017, 09:15 AM »
@SRSemenza   is the inside of the hose smoother to allow for better airflow ?   Or is it still corrugated like the current versions ?
.....slightly corrugated
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@Phil Beckley    - the same or less "slightly" corrugated than the current versions ?

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« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2017, 09:45 AM »
The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter. The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #104 on: December 16, 2017, 09:42 PM »
What I’m waiting to see is how much easier it will be to put a 36mm new flex hose in my existing Shop/Tradesmen  Cleaning Systainer kit compared to the old/current 36mm hose it comes with.
The old hoses always fit, but more flexibility for a stock vac kit like these would be great.... [tongue]
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« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2017, 12:05 AM »
What I’m waiting to see is how much easier it will be to put a 36mm new flex hose in my existing Shop/Tradesmen  Cleaning Systainer kit compared to the old/current 36mm hose it comes with.
The old hoses always fit, but more flexibility for a stock vac kit like these would be great.... [tongue]


It will be much easier. The hose I got to check out was the D36 and it was more flexible than a well used D27.  [thumbs up]


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« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2017, 03:51 AM »
I wish there was a conical hose 50mm to 36mm to hook up to the Kapex and hopefully improve dust collection...
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2017, 03:58 PM »
What I’m waiting to see is how much easier it will be to put a 36mm new flex hose in my existing Shop/Tradesmen  Cleaning Systainer kit compared to the old/current 36mm hose it comes with.
The old hoses always fit, but more flexibility for a stock vac kit like these would be great.... [tongue]


It will be much easier. The hose I got to check out was the D36 and it was more flexible than a well used D27.  [thumbs up]


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #108 on: December 22, 2017, 09:41 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.

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« Reply #109 on: December 22, 2017, 10:13 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.

I watched the video and it states:
"Only one battery pack can be paired to the mobile dust extractor at a time."

"Registering a new battery pack cancels the pairing to the previous battery"


Does that mean I can't use a TSC & a cordless Carvex at the same time without:
1. Swapping the same battery out between the TSC & Carvex?
2. Re-registering the battery packs everytime I change between the 2 tools?
3. Using 2 different vacuums?

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« Reply #110 on: December 22, 2017, 10:18 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.

I watched the video and it states:
"Only one battery pack can be paired to the mobile dust extractor at a time."

"Registering a new battery pack cancels the pairing to the previous battery"


Does that mean I can't use a TSC & a cordless Carvex at the same time without:
1. Swapping the same battery out between the TSC & Carvex?
2. Re-registering the battery packs everytime I change between the 2 tools?
3. Using 2 different vacuums?

Would option 4 work? Use the remote button instead of pairing the battery.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #111 on: December 22, 2017, 10:24 AM »
Video posted with pairing instructions. I'm surprised to see that you can only pair one battery at a time but 5 of the remote controls. Would have expected it to be the opposite.



.....you can pair 5 battery packs to the receiver on the extractor!!
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« Reply #112 on: December 22, 2017, 10:33 AM »
.....you can pair 5 battery packs to the receiver on the extractor!!
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Hey Phil...take a look at 1:21 & 1:26 on the video.

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« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2017, 05:03 PM »
I agree this is odd.

If you are constantly switching between cordless tools, you have to pair each too to the vac, each time you want to use the other tool.
At least that is what the video says.
Also every time you're plugin the battery onto the charger, pairing is lost.

I think that needs clarifying or the whole system is just poorly though out.

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« Reply #114 on: December 25, 2017, 02:48 AM »
I agree this is odd.

If you are constantly switching between cordless tools, you have to pair each too to the vac, each time you want to use the other tool.
At least that is what the video says.
Also every time you're plugin the battery onto the charger, pairing is lost.

I think that needs clarifying or the whole system is just poorly though out.

In certain circumstances, this auto decoupling is a good thing.  In intensive worksite use, a multitool, multivac scenario allows free interchange of tools & batteries without unwanted, inadvertent activation of vacs.

I really, really like the look of those "Electrolux" hoses.  The old corrugated versions were always troublesome buggers around guiderail ends & arrises.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #115 on: December 25, 2017, 05:54 AM »
At least that is what the video says.
As possible interpretion of 0:57 of the video is that there is a need to preface each use (power-on) of the tool with a press of the button of the vac.
Should the battery auto-depair from the vac (thus their connection simply being a glorified one-time auto-off of the vac) the system would IMHO be completely useless.

I really hope that this is a flaw of the video, not the system.

No idea thought why only one battery can be paired with a vac at any time, while 5 remotes can.
Being able to only pair one battery at a time makes it look pointless for setups where you swap tools...

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Also every time you're plugin the battery onto the charger, pairing is lost.
That mechanic is IMHO reasonable.


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #116 on: December 25, 2017, 11:09 AM »
Like I suggested earlier, just use the remote button at the end of the hose and don’t even mess with pairing multiple batteries. That is how the MaxSys works and it works fine. Your going to be using the hose anyway and the remote is right there. It is not as simple has just pulling the trigger on a tool and the vacuum comes on, but sometimes I prefer to have the vacuum run longer than the tool anyway.

With all of that said, I would still think with today’s technology that there must be a way to pair multiple batteries to one sensor. Someone else already mentioned this, if you are working with someone else that is also using a paired tool, they could inadvertently start the vacuum. Now if you work by yourself, pairing only one battery would be frustrating.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #117 on: December 25, 2017, 12:22 PM »
When I first heard about Festool's remote, I was surprised that they were using Bluetooth. Bluetooth is a serial communications format. When all you are doing is turning something on and off, why do you need "data", when all you really need is a unique ID for each transmitter? And depending on the class, it also has a very limited range.

But these inconveniences of only pairing 1 battery at a time, and everything de-pairing when the vac is unplugged are deliberate designs. I don't know why it would be deliberate, but it is nevertheless, deliberate design. It's one thing to make it easy to un-pair a tool that's not being used with the vac, but Festool took that too far and made it "mandatory" without giving the user the option.

If you're switching back and forth between a couple of tools to do an operation, you have to walk back over to the vac to re-pair the tool every time you switch. It kind of defeats the purpose of triggering from the battery in the first place.

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« Reply #118 on: December 26, 2017, 12:33 AM »
If you're switching back and forth between a couple of tools to do an operation, you have to walk back over to the vac to re-pair the tool every time you switch. It kind of defeats the purpose of triggering from the battery in the first place.

Ya I’m still confused over this one. I’m still hoping that the Festool video is incorrect.

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« Reply #119 on: December 26, 2017, 03:17 AM »
The video does seem to make it very clear that it can only pair one battery at one time.

It’s not like it was a single word miss type like JMB speak.

Based on the video it seems the bluetooth battery option is not the way to go.

You gotta swap the hose from tool to tool any way so you might as well just have the single transmitter on the end of the hose.  Otherwise your just going back and forth to the vacuum to pair batteries so you be paying more money for something more inconvenient.

I think I’ll be getting a hose with transmitter won’t bother with the blue tooth batteries waste of time and money after watching this video.
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@Phil Beckley, when you return from holiday, could you please check to see if there's a mistake in the video regarding battery pairing, that only one battery can be paired at a time? Thank you.
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« Reply #121 on: December 30, 2017, 08:44 AM »
I think they do mean one battery at the time for the pairing process,you can repeat the process 5 times to add all 5 batteries to the receiver. 

Also it will be nice for the receiver to recall  the batteries paired to it even though the vac is been switch from auto to manual or discconected from the power supply
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« Reply #122 on: January 01, 2018, 04:38 PM »
So when are we getting these new hoses?
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« Reply #123 on: January 17, 2018, 03:34 PM »
Any update on the one-battery-only pairing limitation and so on ?  [unsure]

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« Reply #124 on: January 24, 2018, 10:06 AM »
timeframe on just the new hose being available here in USA? Unfortunately I don't think I can wait for the new Midi to come out but sure do like this hose

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« Reply #125 on: January 27, 2018, 11:36 AM »
New hoses are out and have a really good feel to them, feels like quite an improvement. I am replacing two old hoses, one worn out and one slightly tatty. First dealer was out of stock and was clearing the old hoses at 30% before getting more new hoses in... ...guess I'll get my hoses from the next vendor...

Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying. 
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« Reply #126 on: January 28, 2018, 06:32 PM »
Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying.
It would be more annoying in case you would have to constantly pair different batteries (or juggle one between tools) because of the need to use several different tools in parallel (not at the same time but constantly changing between tools).

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« Reply #127 on: January 28, 2018, 08:26 PM »
Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying.
It would be more annoying in case you would have to constantly pair different batteries (or juggle one between tools) because of the need to use several different tools in parallel (not at the same time but constantly changing between tools).

If you can run a hose.. you can run a cord.

For the price of batteries you can let the vac run for hours while there is no need.

So to me it's a big nothingburger.

Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2018, 12:23 PM »
Regarding battery pairing it does make sense to only allow one pairing at any given time - you don't want your other battery tools to trigger the Vac all the time. I mean, the other batteries not hooked up to the vac would be activating the vac if it allowed pairing more than one battery at a time to the vac - that would be really annoying.
It would be more annoying in case you would have to constantly pair different batteries (or juggle one between tools) because of the need to use several different tools in parallel (not at the same time but constantly changing between tools).

I still think it is more annoying having ALL tools trigger the Vac. Pairing can't be that bothersome when you switch batteries. Or is it? If so, theimplemented technology is at fault. I am going for the hose remote myself. Don't have any of them fancy batt's and leaving the Vac in Auto and clicking the hose end works for me.
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« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2018, 01:27 PM »
I still think it is more annoying having ALL tools trigger the Vac. Pairing can't be that bothersome when you switch batteries. Or is it? If so, theimplemented technology is at fault. I am going for the hose remote myself. Don't have any of them fancy batt's and leaving the Vac in Auto and clicking the hose end works for me.

Actually, the solution is pretty simple, had Festool chosen to take it. They could have simply allowed for a de-pairing function, activated by holding the button longer and triggering the tool. Then you could have as many batteries paired as you wished, but still be able to remove one if it needed to be. Instead, they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.

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« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2018, 10:03 AM »
they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.
No sale for me then.

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« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2018, 10:23 AM »
Actually, the solution is pretty simple, had Festool chosen to take it. They could have simply allowed for a de-pairing function, activated by holding the button longer and triggering the tool. Then you could have as many batteries paired as you wished, but still be able to remove one if it needed to be. Instead, they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.

By turning the vac off you mean unplug the power cord or turn the power button from auto to off right?

Since my vac is always on auto, this seems to be a good way to avoid false triggering.

Q: by turning the vac off it will un-pair all batteries or only the batteries that are close enough? Say I have a batterie in the shop and another one at the client location, do the later will be also un-paired or it's already un-paired by being too far.
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« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2018, 11:46 AM »
they de-pair automatically whether you want it or not, by turning the vac off.
No sale for me then.


agreed... now lets discuss this new hose  [big grin]. Are there any secret agents working deep within Festool who can spill the beans on when the vacs in America will ship with them?

Also, Im wondering with the new braided fabric outer shell if chips/splinter material is more likely to get caught up in it as opposed to the current harder plastic hose.. I dont create much dust but do create larger/sharp chips from working with Dibond material (aluminum/plastic)

thoughts...???

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #133 on: February 04, 2018, 11:14 AM »
Any sign of the new hoses in the U.S. yet. I need one in a bad way. Lol

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2018, 12:18 PM »
Electrolux vacs used similar hoses (much less flexible, mind) for a long period between the late 50's to the 80's or thereabouts.  Many of these venerable machines are still going, without any noticeable difficulties with fouling of the nylon outer braids.  I seem to recall they had a tendency to fray around "pinch points" from memory.

Given that this "technology" has already been proven in use for 60+ years already, fouling doesn't seem an issue at least with these high quality Swedish hoses.  Presumably if Festool's hose supply subcontractor can manage to make their own imitation half as well, then you're at least assured of a working life of at least 30 years or so!
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #135 on: February 04, 2018, 12:38 PM »
No word yet on when the hoses and updated CT scope of delivery will change to the best of my knowledge.

Peter


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #136 on: February 09, 2018, 10:20 AM »
My new smooth hose video it’s great unfortunately I will have to replace all my  hoses now!!



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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #137 on: February 10, 2018, 09:49 AM »
the Festool USA website now shows what looks like the new hose one the photos of their vacs. A few days ago the photos still showed the old hose so maybe they are about to start shipping them to USA??? But then I also noticed that when you click on the product and scroll down to all the items included with the vac, it still shows the old hose. So one photo shows new hose and another photo shows old hose... [blink]


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #138 on: February 10, 2018, 10:00 AM »
Just a heads up for those in the US; just because the images have changed doesn't mean that the product has changed.  Much of the internet and website work for Festool USA is now done in Germany and image population might be one of those across the board type of things across all country sites.

I virtually guarantee that Festool USA will make announcements about availability here once a date is set.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #139 on: February 15, 2018, 07:30 PM »
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They are as advertised, ladies and germs.
Can't speak on longevity, but so far, me likes. 

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2018, 01:47 AM »
I wonder how the new hoses fare when cutting them for eg shortening for use with a kapex.
Is the sleeve bonded to the hose or is it loose and will it fray?
And how easy/difficult is it to get rid of that godawful retarded new hose end and swap it out with the old ones?
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2018, 05:03 AM »
The sleeve is not glue or heatbonded as it seems but it is very snug. If it had been bonded it would not be as agile, now the two layers can slide (a little) so the hose is very flexible.

Fray? I have already a little fray mark on mine - but the fray does not wander off thanks to the knitted design. So far, I like it. Easier to pack and stow.

One small minus is that it is so flexible it literally snakes when coiling it up in hand or moving it about - but it is no big deal. It will probably be a little more annoying the longer the hose gets as the hose can start to wrap up around things if you have to pull it around an object / corner. That would only be a potential small annoying thing with the longer hoses, the standard hose should be just fine.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2018, 11:58 AM »
It slithers, and it really does look like a snake.   I can imagine that it will scare the life out of small children.   [big grin]

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2018, 12:13 PM »
@yetihunter
Will the new hose have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Maybe I should sell a few unused 27mm hoses? 
 [poke]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2018, 12:24 PM »
Will it have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Would anyone want to buy a few unused hoses? 
[thanks]

I'd like a dedicated 36mm hose for my miter saw. 3.5 would be longest I'd be interested in.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2018, 12:47 PM »
Will it have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Maybe I should sale a few unused 27mm hoses? 
 [poke]


I'd like a dedicated 36mm hose for my miter saw. 3.5 would be longest I'd be interested in.

PM me your location and I can work something out for you.
I should be more careful joking around. I did ask and since you responded, I’ll help you out. I’ll probably just hook you up with the hose and you can purchase the two hose end fittings.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2018, 12:48 AM »
@yetihunter
Will the new hose have a tendency to snag on a track or corner of the MFT? I’ll probably get one or two of the new smooth hoses, but I have a football field length of the old/ current hoses. Maybe not the much, but I have 12 hoses. Maybe I should sell a few unused 27mm hoses? 
 [poke]

It doesn't glide as smoothly as the stopgap product with the white sleeve that came out about two years ago.   However, it definitely meets the need of no snags while also being much lighter, less cumbersome, smaller (but not a miniature hose diameter) and infinitely more flexible.   You won't be tripping over yourself thanks to
memory on a rigid hose and you won't mess up a router cut because you're suddenly trapped with a snag. 

I'm willing to wager that we will hear something about NA availability on March 1st.
Maybe even earlier if anyone in the UPS 1 day ground zone wants to get in deep doo doo and pass around some catalogs early. 😄


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #147 on: February 20, 2018, 11:16 AM »
JUST ANNOUNCED! The new versions of the CT Dust Extractors will be available in the US and Canada on March 1!

Visit festoolusa.com/dust-extractors and festoolcanada.com/dust-extractors for details.

On April 2 we'll be releasing DOMINO DF 500 connectors, Multi-Jetstream 2 sanding pads, GRANAT net abrasives, and more! Details to come shortly ...

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #148 on: February 20, 2018, 03:04 PM »
On that linked page, in the section on the bluetooth enabled battery packs, it states the following;
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For communication with the Bluetooth module on your CT Dust Extractor, and to make sure that even cordless tools start automatically when the mobile dust extractor is switched on.

Shouldn't that be the other way around, that starting the tool starts the extractor, and not that switching on the extractor starts the tool?  [eek]

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #149 on: February 20, 2018, 03:10 PM »
Can this be used on a CT MIDI? 

The best solution for me isn't one larger dust extractor, it's three MIDIs set up around the shop, two handling larger tools (Kapex, etc.) and one servicing the bench and any tools used on it.  The biggest drawback to the system is having to walk around the bench a few dozen times a day to switch modes on the unit so I can clean up after a cut or a router pass. 

Are you working on something for users of the smaller machines, or are you adopting the Apple-style approach to customer service?

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #150 on: February 20, 2018, 03:50 PM »
The larger machines are adopting an optional module for a module bay that was always present on those machines
and never present on the mini/midi/ct-sys.

     

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #151 on: February 20, 2018, 05:05 PM »
Just pre-ordered the new Bluetooth remote control set from FestoolProducts.com this morning! Only $80! I was surprised to see it under $100. Doesnt ship till April 2nd though, so theres a bit of a wait.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #152 on: February 21, 2018, 12:29 AM »
Those who have older hoses might consider this product to retro "sleeve" them yourself. It's called Dura Wrap and is on the Internet from many vendors - available in various diameters. Closes with strong velcro and made of very tough woven Nylon.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #153 on: February 21, 2018, 12:32 PM »
Can this be used on a CT MIDI? 

The MINI & MIDI are missing some pinouts on their circuit boards, until Festool decides to upgrade the boards, the answer is no. [sad]    [crying]

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #154 on: February 21, 2018, 02:53 PM »
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #156 on: February 22, 2018, 10:43 PM »
I see that Festoolproducts.com has the new improved T-Loc garage for the CT 26,36,48 listed for $49.95
I think I'm gonna get one.  My CT36 suffered another break when I moved it while it was under my MFT.  The garage bumped into one of the cross members and <crack> new chunk missing.  [blink]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #157 on: March 24, 2018, 08:55 PM »
"3) Can the old style tool-end connector be fitted to the new hose?"

Just finished reading this thread, the above question has been asked more than once - third time lucky?? Perhaps someone who has the new hose could comment on whether they think it's possible? Or indeed @Phil Beckley ?

A lot of talk about the new sleeves (I must say they look great and sound like an improvement); the Bluetooth tech and battery pairing (have to admit I'm lost where this is concerned); but absolutely no mention of any improved efficiency?

Do these new models filter better?

Is their exhausted air, cleaner?

 Aren't factors like these at least as important as new hoses/bluetooth connectivity/tougher plastic? Or perhaps more important, given the principal purpose of a dust extractor?

I'd really appreciate an answer from Festool about this, but fellow Foggers, feel free to chime in. :-)


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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #158 on: March 24, 2018, 10:25 PM »
Can someone give me the outside size of the new hose please.

Mario
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #159 on: March 25, 2018, 08:21 AM »
"3) Can the old style tool-end connector be fitted to the new hose?"

Just finished reading this thread, the above question has been asked more than once - third time lucky?? Perhaps someone who has the new hose could comment on whether they think it's possible? Or indeed @Phil Beckley ?

A lot of talk about the new sleeves (I must say they look great and sound like an improvement); the Bluetooth tech and battery pairing (have to admit I'm lost where this is concerned); but absolutely no mention of any improved efficiency?

Do these new models filter better?

Is their exhausted air, cleaner?

 Aren't factors like these at least as important as new hoses/bluetooth connectivity/tougher plastic? Or perhaps more important, given the principal purpose of a dust extractor?

I'd really appreciate an answer from Festool about this, but fellow Foggers, feel free to chime in. :-)


Same basic architecture, same bags, same motors, same filters.  Same as before I'd expect!  Well... with a less heavily corrugated hose there may be slightly less internal turbulence & hence slightly better airflow.

Maybe.
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #160 on: March 25, 2018, 08:34 AM »
[...]
Aren't factors like these at least as important as new hoses/bluetooth connectivity/tougher plastic? Or perhaps more important, given the principal purpose of a dust extractor?

I'd really appreciate an answer from Festool about this, but fellow Foggers, feel free to chime in. :-)

Nah, once all the basics are taken care off, people will find other "wants" and so we end up with a near perfect vac where the biggest thing to  about was apparently the hose.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #161 on: March 25, 2018, 08:46 AM »
Hi Everyone

I have just uploaded a video about the new hose garage and Bluetooth. I started a thread about it here:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/ct-extractor-enhancements-and-bluetooth-control-video/msg542031/?topicseen#msg542031

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #162 on: April 02, 2018, 05:14 PM »
Thanks fellow Foggers - some great contributions there.

Particularly loved the "near perfect vac" as "all the basics are taken care of" - reassuring to know there's nothing actually that can be improved with respect to the principal function of these extractors.

Thanks to Peter too, for drawing our attention back to the topic at hand - the new hose garage and Bluetooth.

 Improved performance in the efficiency of the extractors seems to be a non starter then, as far as it's users are concerned. Perhaps a representative of Festool could comment? - Is the airflow improved? Have there been any changes in the design of the new extractors which improve the efficiency of the dust collection? Is the exhausted air cleaner?

Gotta love the new hose though.

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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #163 on: April 03, 2018, 09:13 AM »
Thanks fellow Foggers - some great contributions there.

Particularly loved the "near perfect vac" as "all the basics are taken care of" - reassuring to know there's nothing actually that can be improved with respect to the principal function of these extractors.

Thanks to Peter too, for drawing our attention back to the topic at hand - the new hose garage and Bluetooth.

 Improved performance in the efficiency of the extractors seems to be a non starter then, as far as it's users are concerned. Perhaps a representative of Festool could comment? - Is the airflow improved? Have there been any changes in the design of the new extractors which improve the efficiency of the dust collection? Is the exhausted air cleaner?

Gotta love the new hose though.
  The Exhausted Air is now Pine Forest scented fresh..... [poke]
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Re: New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48
« Reply #164 on: April 03, 2018, 06:47 PM »
Sounds good, but I think you've jumped the gun Leakyroof - that's for the next facelift.  8)