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Offline promhandicam

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New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« on: March 31, 2012, 07:18 AM »
Had a play with this new saw this morning.



Main differences are improved dust extraction, a different height adjuster with a scale for with or without guide rail, fine height adjustment to compensate for blades that have been sharpened, ability to go to -1 degree or 47 degree by pressing a button on the rear, and different design to the adjusters that locate the saw on the track. Just remembered that the other difference is that the side is flat - 13mm apparently from the side to the top of the blade.




This shows the button on the rear to allow the extra angle movement.

Didn't ask about price as I won't be buying one until my TS55 packs up. No great innovation unless you suffer from Dyscalculia although the dx was better.

Steve
« Last Edit: March 31, 2012, 07:29 AM by promhandicam »

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Offline Kev

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 07:28 AM »
So the motor and blade options are identical I take it?

Kev.

Offline promhandicam

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 07:31 AM »
As far as I know, yes. The only replaceable part that is different is the splinter guard - not shown but much thinner than the present one.

Offline JimB1

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 08:48 AM »
Looks good to me, maybe by the time it makes it to NA I'll have saved up enough money for one... Checking the UK site it looks like they are going to be the same price as the current TS55.

Much as folks here keep making comparisons to Mafell on this one, I don't think that's the target for the changes. I think they are looking at DeWalt which has a much stronger foothold in the contractor market in most places. DeWalt has a very good competing saw that I've tried a few times and most reviews have said is the equal of the TS55 in most ways and exceeds it in a couple of areas (kickback lock on the rail, works on both sides of the rail, larger choice of blades, etc) I have a lot of yellow and black tool cases so I know DeWalt makes good stuff and has a huge distribution network. I think Festool made the right choice to go after DeWalt not Mafell if they want to get contractors. Especially in NA where Mafell has 0 presence and no name to speak of.

Just an observation.
-Jim
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 11:38 AM »
Looks good to me, maybe by the time it makes it to NA I'll have saved up enough money for one... Checking the UK site it looks like they are going to be the same price as the current TS55.

Much as folks here keep making comparisons to Mafell on this one, I don't think that's the target for the changes. I think they are looking at DeWalt which has a much stronger foothold in the contractor market in most places. DeWalt has a very good competing saw that I've tried a few times and most reviews have said is the equal of the TS55 in most ways and exceeds it in a couple of areas (kickback lock on the rail, works on both sides of the rail, larger choice of blades, etc) I have a lot of yellow and black tool cases so I know DeWalt makes good stuff and has a huge distribution network. I think Festool made the right choice to go after DeWalt not Mafell if they want to get contractors. Especially in NA where Mafell has 0 presence and no name to speak of.

Just an observation.
-Jim
i agree they are probably beating dewalt but why not beat mafel as well. over here in europe mafel is better known . why go to all the trouble of launching a new model and still only equel the competition. i would rather be a step ahead
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 01:29 PM »
That leg looks familiar  [laughing] i never saw anyone taking photo's of my legs very sneaky  [laughing]

Offline m8

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 12:15 PM »
I take it will be sometime before we see this in the States?

Offline promhandicam

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 02:05 PM »
The festool Rep said they probably wouldn't bother introducing it in the US as most people there seemed to be happy with with the  'quality' of the Default saws whereas the European market was generally more discerning.  [wink]

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 03:16 PM »
Hi Steve shame I didn't know another FOG member was there could have had a chat. Were you there until the end ? I was the guy who got the ps300 jigsaw out to play with.

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2012, 05:37 PM »
Dam your foot is small  ;D
If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too

Offline joiner1970

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 01:53 AM »
I've never been told I have small feet before  [laughing]

They are size 10's , I've got my crappy old jeans on I would have worn something smarter if I'd known I was going on the net  [laughing]

Offline Kev

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2012, 02:24 AM »
I've never been told I have small feet before  [laughing]

They are size 10's , I've got my crappy old jeans on I would have worn something smarter if I'd known I was going on the net  [laughing]

Maybe you could improve your look with footoshop ??

Offline JimB1

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2012, 09:53 AM »
The festool Rep said they probably wouldn't bother introducing it in the US as most people there seemed to be happy with with the  'quality' of the Default saws whereas the European market was generally more discerning.  [wink]

Yeah, I guess we are generally happy if it can cut wood in a reasonably straight line, everything else is just bells and whistles :)
-Jim
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2012, 07:30 PM »
I am not doubting the OP about what he was told about future availability of the new model here in NA, but I personally - please don't read anything into this other than this is my opinion - can't see Festool not bringing it here.  It would not make sense to me to not update the line, deal with competition, and improve patent situations.

I guess that we shall see.

Peter
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2012, 05:03 PM »
I am not doubting the OP about what he was told about future availability of the new model here in NA, but I personally - please don't read anything into this other than this is my opinion - can't see Festool not bringing it here.  It would not make sense to me to not update the line, deal with competition, and improve patent situations.

I guess that we shall see.

Peter

And I thought it was only the Germans that didn't understand the British sense of humour (spelled correctly)! Perhaps you have been spending too much time with your German tools - you didn't used to be called Peter Hall by any chance?  [laughing]



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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2012, 05:19 PM »
Not Peter Hall at some point, but being half German I do find myself at ease with my German tools  [big grin].

Peter
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2012, 05:48 PM »
I am not doubting the OP about what he was told about future availability of the new model here in NA, but I personally - please don't read anything into this other than this is my opinion - can't see Festool not bringing it here.  It would not make sense to me to not update the line, deal with competition, and improve patent situations.

I guess that we shall see.

Peter

I think we discussed this before. I agree completely - to have 2 tools nearly identical in every respect but for the relativley minor improvements on the R model doesn't make sense and I can't see where Festool has offered 2 different tools like this in 2 markets before. Could be a year or more, but I'm sure it will happen. But just IMHO and I'm very happy with my new TS 55 and would not purchase the new model regardless just to replace it.

Chris

Offline promhandicam

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2012, 06:12 PM »
Further to my original post - I lied - I bought a new TS55 R on Friday. I decided that I wouldn't wait for my old saw to pack up - I cleaned it up and stuck it on ebay. It sold, together with 2 used 1400 rails and a couple of other bits for £370. Considering that I only paid £300 for it on ebay over 3 years ago and it has had a lot of use I'm understandably very happy. As I already have a selection of rails I just bought the saw paying the list price of £426.  ;D

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2012, 06:20 PM »
great deal
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2012, 12:31 AM »
Festool needs to update their basic Rail from 1400 to 1500 for the new saw.   not being able to get the parallel guides fully engaged over 49" melamine kinda makes a lie of the Festool "SYSTEM" approach to Better,Faster,Smarter.
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 09:45 PM »
I'm curious to see more of the fine adjustment on depth of cut. If I remember the vid correctly, the unspoken sales pitch there was cutting through a sheet that was sitting on top of a stack without touching the one underneath it.

Not juggling a sheet over a table saw may turn into not juggling a sheet, period, if I read this right.

Then again, maybe I'm just not seeing something. I don't really trust sheet good thickness to be reliably consistent, so this is of dubious practicality, but still...

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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2012, 09:31 AM »
I'm curious to see more of the fine adjustment on depth of cut. If I remember the vid correctly, the unspoken sales pitch there was cutting through a sheet that was sitting on top of a stack without touching the one underneath it.

Not juggling a sheet over a table saw may turn into not juggling a sheet, period, if I read this right.

Then again, maybe I'm just not seeing something. I don't really trust sheet good thickness to be reliably consistent, so this is of dubious practicality, but still...
im going to a festoo demo tomorrow. i, ask. im dubious 2. i think it will cut the second sheet or leave a hairy edge
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Re: New Saw - TS 55 REBQ
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2012, 06:02 PM »
I set my saw up so that it read zero with the blade just touching the surface of a board while on the rail. I then set the saw to 19mm to cut a sheet of veneered mdf which measured 19mm with a digital vernier caliper and the saw didn't cut all the way through. Even setting to 20mm, unless I was careful to press down fully along the full length of the cut it didn't cut all the way through. As I generally cut one handed it is often the case that I don't fully depress the saw along the full length of a cut - particularly ripping down an 8 x 4 panel. According to the festool rep who demoed the saw at the end of March, the micro adjuster is so that you can set the saw up to read zero for different blades, the theory being that once a blade has been reground a couple of times it will be a marginally smaller diameter. All well and good but I've coped for years without this ever being an issue.

FWIW, I always cut panels on a sacrificial board usually 50mm celotex or polystyrene - with the preference being polystyrene. As long as you set the depth to only cut one or two mm more than is needed the insulation board will last a long time.