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Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2018, 09:45 AM »
So with the cordless oscillating tool showing only 3.1 amp configurations, this looks like it might be based on the cordless sander batteries!

...contrary to the cordless angle grinder, which shows 3.1 and 5.2 configs.

Can’t wait for some more images and timelines to surface! [emoji41]

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Offline Cheese

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2018, 10:57 AM »
Well from a USA perspective, new tools of interest for the US are:

Cordless Vecturo OSC 18
Cordless RA Grinder AGC 18
Cordless Impact TID 18
Rotary Polisher RAP EC 150
Rotary Polisher RAP EC 230
Table Saw TKS 80
Diamond Grinder RG 130
Vacuum CT 15

Also to be noted, is the Kapex with the old p/n 561287 is listed along with a Kapex with a new p/n 575306. [scratch chin]

Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2018, 11:16 AM »
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline BoulderAv

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2018, 02:19 PM »
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Offline vkumar

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2018, 02:23 PM »
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2018, 02:28 PM »
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]

Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]

Offline sprior

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2018, 02:29 PM »
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Are there miter saws that use conventional light rather than laser for the cut indicators?  I find the laser lines look "fuzzy" and dazzling and wonder if conventional light would work out better assuming you could still see it.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2018, 02:44 PM »
Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]


Well actually, in my last post where I noted the old Kapex p/n and the new p/n, I was going to add that in the 2019 catalog, Festool could easily differentiate the 2 models by simply adding in the description:

...Kapex 561287 with white smoke.
...Kapex 575306 without white smoke.
 [big grin]

Offline cpw

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2018, 03:02 PM »
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Are there miter saws that use conventional light rather than laser for the cut indicators?  I find the laser lines look "fuzzy" and dazzling and wonder if conventional light would work out better assuming you could still see it.
My Dewalt uses a regular light and the shadow produced by the blade.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2018, 03:15 PM »
Maybe they are switching to green lasers. More crisp and definitely more in line with the brand colors. ;)

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2018, 03:33 PM »
I don't think there's a better system than the DeWalt XPS light

Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2018, 03:49 PM »
The KS60 has a shadow line and side extensions. Based on the picture, the "upgraded" 120 has side extensions and perhaps other things from the 60 too like the shadow line? I think the 60 also had built in notches/grooves for the guide rail clamps, perhaps that will be incorporate too?

The table saw sounds intriguing but at what price? If it costs more than a Sawstop, people will just purchase a Sawstop model. - assuming it has the tech in it.
Based on the model number I'm guessing a 80mm cut capacity?
Question, if you are introducing a brand new saw, why upgrade the CS50/70? The 50 maybe makes sense but not the 70 unless the 80 is not going to be as portable?

On the bright side there are new 18v tools coming

Offline ben_r_

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2018, 04:58 PM »
Oh cool! Whew! Nothing I want/need. Nice not to have more to tempt me to drop more money!
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Offline Gregor

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2018, 05:32 PM »
The KS60 has a shadow line
Which you can completely forget about when using that thing outside (unless at night), while the Lasers on the Kapex 120 are visible at daylight.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2018, 08:37 PM »
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]

Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]

I mentioned its smoking habit on post #3,  guess I was too subtle.  [blink]

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2018, 09:45 PM »
I see the

CMS GE has what looks like an old PN, but not a PN listed anyplace else for it. 561232

TSC 55 XL-FS  (with rail)  (201403) is no longer listed. There is a (575690) new number
HKC 55 EB-Set-FSK420 (201374) is no longer listed.  HKC 55 Li EBI-Plus-SCA. (575677) new
TS 55 REQ-F-Plus FS (with rail) (575388) missing
TS 75 EQ-F-Plus FS (with rail) (575390) missing
HK 55 Plus FSK (with rail) (575085) is missing


So there seams to be something happening maybe with the Rails in the US?

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2018, 12:12 AM »
I find it no different than other companies.  People from forums looking thru various global websites looking for hints.  Been thru the same for other interests.

I don't expect companies to give answers, as it's their business plan, and further things change and you don't want to have people freak out because something that was roadmapped 2 years ago never happened verses it happened when it happened.  Nor do I want things to become "routine updates" as that breeds updates for the sake of updates, not for good reason (iPhones)

I think it would somewhat help people to have an idea if stuff will be updates, it gets announced on these X dates/shows of the year, if nothing comes out, it won't till the next one.

Where Festool creates the problem is that unlike most other similar companies who sell the same product around the world, Festool doesn't offer everything around the world, places may or may not get a product, and worse sometimes they get a different version of a product.  So what matters to people can be very different depending on where you live.

I don't think they make many radical changes often, so minor changes won't really be upsetting to folks (changes happen and sometime it's for the good or bad and you never know which side of things you will fall). It's things that alter consistency/system  that matter.  I don't want to buy stuff that has mismatched hoses/measurement/cords/batteries etc or is simply incompatible with what comes out later.   For me, I have a plan to buy a great deal of Festool stuff. But that won't happen till they fix their issue with the removal of metric tools.  That's why I was curious to see what might be brought.  It's tools that go away that cause issues more than something new coming out after you buy something.  You don't want to miss your chance to get something or be forced to buy when you don't want too.

If I saw something that gave me a solid indication of the metric stuff returning, I'd probably be ordering stuff right now. Festool could put out some sort of  message like when they went the other way. But then they would have a lot of folks looking to buy stuff just stop and wait. Of course it also means those who decided to look at other brands to look back again. Thus is the problem in telling the public your plans. You are un-likely to get a single unified reaction from consumers, and you certainly don't want people to hold off buying.

Still, I think you can well assume Kapex sales in the US will slow down some.

Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2018, 03:20 AM »
Deformed Tree: very well put, and I agree.

I held out for an impact for a long time. It's not a big thing though I was hoping for Festool to bring one out. One that works well I mean, not like the Ti15 which is heavy, overdesigned and underperforming and in a voltage class deemed obsolete by both Festool and the market. Same with the BHC 18 - great little hammer and nice in hand but no light chiseling in the line up? Slight oversight, but again, no biggie in the greater scheme of things.

But all of these perceived shortcomings  - and they are shortcomings as there are other companies offering the features that Festool lack and catering to the same tradesmen, most of which are interested in keeping within one or two battery platforms.

Not too long ago I decided NOT to expand my Festool 18V system and went the other direction: I put together an 18V skeleton crew of the DRC18/4 the C18 and the BHC18 and sold the rest, the T18, the Carvex, the Drywall gun and my other BHC18 since I decided to contract rather than expand my Festool investments.

I went with Hitachi instead for the drill hammer with chiseling, clip on Vac and exchangeable chucks, triple hammer impact, angle grinder, multicutter and jigsaw and all these I got for what I sold the excess Festool gear for. Added the Hitachi 18V drywall gun which works way better than Festool for screw strips. And it was the best change over I've made - better performance and better ergonomics across the board and with the features I lacked from Festool. My only regret is that I didn't make the leap sooner.

I still have a slot open for Festool gear for second fix and assembly work and will give the impact a try for sure - to put a little more meat back on the skeleton crew...  [smile]
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline tobiaskurz

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2018, 08:00 AM »
I found the first german dealer who has the new KAPEX KS 120 REB listet. There is written "available January 2019".
https://www.contorion.de/elektrowerkzeug/festool-kapp-zugsaege-ks-120-reb-kapex-63277105?q=ks%20120%20reb

The only change compared to the previous model (KS 120 EB) in the technical description i found was the Weight change to 23.1 kg (KS 12 EB had 21.5 kg).

More interesting is the new price. The current model (KS 120 EB) costs 1193,58 € including sales tax. The new model (KS 120 REB) has a 74,5 % higher price with 2082,90 € including sales tax. According to this price increase there has to be more new features accept the heavier weight.

Unfortunately there is no picture available.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2018, 09:36 AM »
Hi Tobias,

I think the price difference might come from the vendor putting in a higher price, as long as the part is not yet available.
This is quite common, to avoid having customers „pre-order“ before the final price is confirmed and having to pay the gap...

Also, pricing for the KS-120 EB currently ranges from 1.516,06€ to 2.482,34€ incl. sales tax on the Festool website, depending on the configuration. :)

Offline grainhaus

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2018, 02:05 PM »
NEW PICS from @Romfordtools on Instagram.


Offline mrB

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2018, 08:14 PM »
Does it look notably bigger to anyone else, compared to the current midi?
« Last Edit: November 01, 2018, 08:17 PM by mrB »
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline grainhaus

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2018, 12:48 PM »
Thats the first thing I noticed, looks a lot taller than my regular Midi.


Offline Svar

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2018, 12:56 PM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2018, 03:18 PM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.
Exactly. Membrane keypads like that are prone to failure and wearing through/out. Bad design choice IMO. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they hold up.
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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2018, 07:11 PM »
when it comes to when tools will arrive to either NA or elsewhere I know that everyone loves to speculate and interpret but I would offer a caution that the document posted was not a public announcement and obviously changes can be made to whether or not to bring, timeframe if, etc.

peter

Offline Gregor

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2018, 10:22 PM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.
Exactly. Membrane keypads like that are prone to failure and wearing through/out. Bad design choice IMO. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they hold up.
I agree with the dislike of membrane keypads and the benefit of tactile feedback from rotating knobs.

Nevertheless, one of my vacs had to make a trip through service as the seal around one knobs axis failed and water corroded the switch - in regard of being water proof the new design has benefits.

Offline ceddy

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2018, 09:44 AM »
I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display  [big grin]

Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

So true. I really don't care for all these screens in cars. Much less on tools.

Offline bwehman

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2018, 10:04 AM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.

My guess is that due to that keypad, this might have some sort of IP water resistance rating.

Offline jobsworth

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2018, 10:09 AM »
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.

HmmmI wonder if festool is now selling the saw stop under their own name as they recently aquired it and had one one at Festool connect ( still under the saw stop brand name).