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Offline GarryMartin

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Found some interesting bits while searching the Internet...  [wink]

Available from January 2019.

Updated: CTL MINI
Updated: CTL MIDI
NEW: CTM MIDI I


- Touch display including BT
- Hose garage with lid
- Main filter can be changed from outside



18V Battery back with BT function

- Ergopack for battery sander
- Compact battery



New jigsaw blade range

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- Semi-stationary saws CS 50 & 70, KS 88 & 120, SYM 70




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Offline Gregor

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2018, 05:53 AM »
Main filter changeable from outside... how often does on do that?
BT for the batteries... what was the power adapter for, again?

I hope the CS update includes SawStop technology, else it wouldn't be that interesting.

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2018, 09:41 AM »
Any info on the Kapex updates?

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2018, 09:42 AM »
Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2018, 09:46 AM »
Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that. Festool would end up with a more versatile (possibly more powerful) tool and eliminate the number 1 issue (in perception at least) with a flagship tool.

Offline mrB

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2018, 09:57 AM »
Thanks Gary :)

Nice to see the Mini/Midi get updated to bluetooth battery and remote button functionality I wonder if all the changes make the vacs bigger?

And keen to hear what has finally happened with the Kapex!!??
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2018, 10:54 AM »
Any info on the Kapex updates?

And keen to hear what has finally happened with the Kapex!!??

The only thing I can say with a good degree of certainty is there will be extendable arms judging by the photo. That and it will be called the KS 120 REB (or KS 88 RE) based on the photo and product list.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2018, 11:13 AM »
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2018, 12:07 PM »
And on analysing some more information, it seems the TID 18 cordless impact finally sees the light of day, both on its own and in kits with the PDC 18 and T 18, there's a new cordless angle grinder, the DSC AGC 18, and an 18V version of the OS 400 oscillating tool too. Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...  ;)

Offline kozen

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2018, 12:09 PM »
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

Makita has a Brushless Miter saw and it works great, you can get more power from the motor which the US version needs and no need to replace brushes overtime.

You can also see from the picture of the Kapex they updated the hose port to be more like the new TS ports. I hope they didn't get ride of the miter gauge as it doesn't seem to be showing in the side profile picture.

Offline sprior

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2018, 12:58 PM »
I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display  [big grin]

Offline jpmeunier

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2018, 01:10 PM »
Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that.

Nope. Corded power. No cordless part numbers. And brushless doesn't really make much sense in a tool such as the Kapex.

Out of curiosity why doesn't a brushless make sense? (assuming cordless)

Offline mrB

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2018, 01:35 PM »
What that's Gary? An impact too! Don't believe it until i see it :) and a cordless angle grinder! Wow thats just what I wanted but thought the wait would be forever. If have thought a grinder would be well down their list..

Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?

Thanks
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2018, 02:32 PM »
Out of curiosity why doesn't a brushless make sense? (assuming cordless)

My point was it isn't cordless, and therefore a brushless motor adds increased cost without much benefit.

See http://festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/what's-the-deal-with-non-brushless-new-tools/ for a great discussion by people with far more knowledge and experience than me.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2018, 02:34 PM »
Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?

No more pics unfortunately.

It's all on the Internet. I don't have access to any privileged information. The existence of new tools comes from a Festool product list posted in September, and the photos of the new tools for January 2019 from a Prezi presentation posted earlier in the year.

Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2018, 02:43 PM »
And on analysing some more information, it seems the TID 18 cordless impact finally sees the light of day, both on its own and in kits with the PDC 18 and T 18, there's a new cordless angle grinder, the DSC AGC 18, and an 18V version of the OS 400 oscillating tool too. Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...  ;)

About time on the impact. Vecturo 18V suits me fine, I have 70+ Supercut blades... Cordless anlge grinder? Good to have but it would have to be very good to beat Metabo or Hitach... ...sorry HiKoki offerings.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2018, 02:57 PM »
I have the SYM 70E. Too expensive if bought new. Have bought two second hand ones and plug-it outfitted them. Both were bought at under half the asking price for a new one and in mint condition.

They are super for alu trim and odd angles. Will not let go of mine. However the little Makita DLS600z is a great contender with laser, even smaller size, weight and footprint and with dual bevel - and it's 18V with good runtime too. It is also a lot cheaper. Still not cheap though! The Makita is dangerous and ill suited for smaller alu trim though - but I've used the heck out of the above mitre saws and what they do they do very well.

 

Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.

For North Americans, this will probably be most interesting on the Kapex and if an update is coming to N.A. (and when). While my big dewalt marches along it sucks from dust standpoint, if Kapex didn't have a smoking habit, I might consider one down the road.

is an announcement like this general a statement of all that is new for 2019, or do they trickle out new stuff announcements randomly thru the year.

Maybe it will be a hybrid option on power? New brushless motor would be a part of that. Festool would end up with a more versatile (possibly more powerful) tool and eliminate the number 1 issue (in perception at least) with a flagship tool.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline mrB

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2018, 05:03 PM »
Where are you getting all this from? Any more pics to share?
It's all on the Internet.

Well thanks for sniffing it out and posting! 

I was genuinely about to buy a cordless grinder and have to buy into a new battery platform to do so. So glad you posted because I can definitely wait for the festool and the extra simplicity that brings me :) 
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2018, 05:18 PM »
I was genuinely about to buy a cordless grinder and have to buy into a new battery platform to do so. So glad you posted because I can definitely wait for the festool and the extra simplicity that brings me :)

I wonder whether it will use the compact 18V battery platform?

Offline wpz

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2018, 05:24 PM »
Hi,

Some info I found on the filter of the new midi and the impact mechanism of the new impact driver.


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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2018, 12:31 AM »

They are super for alu trim and odd angles.

Never knew about that sym 70 saw.  Thats a clever little guy.


Thats basically what I was thinking, not so much for wood working (unless say picture frames are your game), but looked great for metal working.  I can see a V-block attachment for dealing with round material too.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2018, 12:35 AM »
I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display  [big grin]

Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.   

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2018, 12:43 AM »
Oh, and a *NEW* table saw called the TKS 80 which I have to assume would be something to do with SawStop...  ;)

Interesting, I guess since they are advertising new CS saws, then it means those stay around.  I hope the CMS saw modules stay around too for those who make said items available to themselves in North America.   If they make it something that "drops in" to either CMS or the CS model line thus all the add ons it could be interesting.  Maybe this is something they make N.A. only that meets US "safety" regs for saws, while the homeland keeps what they have.  Though I really don't see how it's very hard to make tweaked versions of the saws for the 2 different safety rules markets. But if it was easy, then it wouldn't really explain why N.A. doesn't get CMS saw modules.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2018, 03:09 AM »
Maybe this is something they make N.A. only that meets US "safety" regs for saws, while the homeland keeps what they have.  Though I really don't see how it's very hard to make tweaked versions of the saws for the 2 different safety rules markets. But if it was easy, then it wouldn't really explain why N.A. doesn't get CMS saw modules.

There are no part numbers for US versions of the SYM 70, CS 70 or CS 50, but there *are* part numbers for a US version of whatever the TKS 80 is.

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2018, 03:54 AM »
Where on earth did you get this info from @GarryMartin ?
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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2018, 08:25 AM »
Ooh, wonder what a CT 15 is?
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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2018, 08:31 AM »
Interest. Piqued.


Offline DynaGlide

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2018, 08:41 AM »
Ooh, wonder what a CT 15 is?

Looking up the CT 15 in the parts list pulls up 574827 Mobile Dust Extractor. Google shows it as this:
Vacuum cleaner construction FESTOOL CLEANTEC CT 17 E (574827)


Offline ctvader

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2018, 09:21 AM »
Does anyone think this slot b/t the mini & midi?  Would love to see sub $400 price point. 

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2018, 09:45 AM »
So with the cordless oscillating tool showing only 3.1 amp configurations, this looks like it might be based on the cordless sander batteries!

...contrary to the cordless angle grinder, which shows 3.1 and 5.2 configs.

Can’t wait for some more images and timelines to surface! [emoji41]

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Offline Cheese

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2018, 10:57 AM »
Well from a USA perspective, new tools of interest for the US are:

Cordless Vecturo OSC 18
Cordless RA Grinder AGC 18
Cordless Impact TID 18
Rotary Polisher RAP EC 150
Rotary Polisher RAP EC 230
Table Saw TKS 80
Diamond Grinder RG 130
Vacuum CT 15

Also to be noted, is the Kapex with the old p/n 561287 is listed along with a Kapex with a new p/n 575306. [scratch chin]

Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2018, 11:16 AM »
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline BoulderAv

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2018, 02:19 PM »
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Offline vkumar

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2018, 02:23 PM »
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]
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Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2018, 02:28 PM »
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]

Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]

Offline sprior

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2018, 02:29 PM »
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Are there miter saws that use conventional light rather than laser for the cut indicators?  I find the laser lines look "fuzzy" and dazzling and wonder if conventional light would work out better assuming you could still see it.

Offline Cheese

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2018, 02:44 PM »
Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]


Well actually, in my last post where I noted the old Kapex p/n and the new p/n, I was going to add that in the 2019 catalog, Festool could easily differentiate the 2 models by simply adding in the description:

...Kapex 561287 with white smoke.
...Kapex 575306 without white smoke.
 [big grin]

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2018, 03:02 PM »
I am very interested in the Kapex update. The Kapex while a great tool does need an update. I am guessing it will be small improvements, but if they can add a new standout feature like the clamp to this new model it will be worthwhile upgrade over its less pricey competitors.

Are there miter saws that use conventional light rather than laser for the cut indicators?  I find the laser lines look "fuzzy" and dazzling and wonder if conventional light would work out better assuming you could still see it.
My Dewalt uses a regular light and the shadow produced by the blade.

Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2018, 03:15 PM »
Maybe they are switching to green lasers. More crisp and definitely more in line with the brand colors. ;)

Offline DynaGlide

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2018, 03:33 PM »
I don't think there's a better system than the DeWalt XPS light

Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2018, 03:49 PM »
The KS60 has a shadow line and side extensions. Based on the picture, the "upgraded" 120 has side extensions and perhaps other things from the 60 too like the shadow line? I think the 60 also had built in notches/grooves for the guide rail clamps, perhaps that will be incorporate too?

The table saw sounds intriguing but at what price? If it costs more than a Sawstop, people will just purchase a Sawstop model. - assuming it has the tech in it.
Based on the model number I'm guessing a 80mm cut capacity?
Question, if you are introducing a brand new saw, why upgrade the CS50/70? The 50 maybe makes sense but not the 70 unless the 80 is not going to be as portable?

On the bright side there are new 18v tools coming

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2018, 04:58 PM »
Oh cool! Whew! Nothing I want/need. Nice not to have more to tempt me to drop more money!
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Offline Gregor

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2018, 05:32 PM »
The KS60 has a shadow line
Which you can completely forget about when using that thing outside (unless at night), while the Lasers on the Kapex 120 are visible at daylight.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2018, 08:37 PM »
The main update the kapex needs is  a motor that does not  burn up. [tongue]

Amazed that it took until post #34 for that comment...  [dead horse]  [big grin]

I mentioned its smoking habit on post #3,  guess I was too subtle.  [blink]

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2018, 09:45 PM »
I see the

CMS GE has what looks like an old PN, but not a PN listed anyplace else for it. 561232

TSC 55 XL-FS  (with rail)  (201403) is no longer listed. There is a (575690) new number
HKC 55 EB-Set-FSK420 (201374) is no longer listed.  HKC 55 Li EBI-Plus-SCA. (575677) new
TS 55 REQ-F-Plus FS (with rail) (575388) missing
TS 75 EQ-F-Plus FS (with rail) (575390) missing
HK 55 Plus FSK (with rail) (575085) is missing


So there seams to be something happening maybe with the Rails in the US?

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2018, 12:12 AM »
I find it no different than other companies.  People from forums looking thru various global websites looking for hints.  Been thru the same for other interests.

I don't expect companies to give answers, as it's their business plan, and further things change and you don't want to have people freak out because something that was roadmapped 2 years ago never happened verses it happened when it happened.  Nor do I want things to become "routine updates" as that breeds updates for the sake of updates, not for good reason (iPhones)

I think it would somewhat help people to have an idea if stuff will be updates, it gets announced on these X dates/shows of the year, if nothing comes out, it won't till the next one.

Where Festool creates the problem is that unlike most other similar companies who sell the same product around the world, Festool doesn't offer everything around the world, places may or may not get a product, and worse sometimes they get a different version of a product.  So what matters to people can be very different depending on where you live.

I don't think they make many radical changes often, so minor changes won't really be upsetting to folks (changes happen and sometime it's for the good or bad and you never know which side of things you will fall). It's things that alter consistency/system  that matter.  I don't want to buy stuff that has mismatched hoses/measurement/cords/batteries etc or is simply incompatible with what comes out later.   For me, I have a plan to buy a great deal of Festool stuff. But that won't happen till they fix their issue with the removal of metric tools.  That's why I was curious to see what might be brought.  It's tools that go away that cause issues more than something new coming out after you buy something.  You don't want to miss your chance to get something or be forced to buy when you don't want too.

If I saw something that gave me a solid indication of the metric stuff returning, I'd probably be ordering stuff right now. Festool could put out some sort of  message like when they went the other way. But then they would have a lot of folks looking to buy stuff just stop and wait. Of course it also means those who decided to look at other brands to look back again. Thus is the problem in telling the public your plans. You are un-likely to get a single unified reaction from consumers, and you certainly don't want people to hold off buying.

Still, I think you can well assume Kapex sales in the US will slow down some.

Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2018, 03:20 AM »
Deformed Tree: very well put, and I agree.

I held out for an impact for a long time. It's not a big thing though I was hoping for Festool to bring one out. One that works well I mean, not like the Ti15 which is heavy, overdesigned and underperforming and in a voltage class deemed obsolete by both Festool and the market. Same with the BHC 18 - great little hammer and nice in hand but no light chiseling in the line up? Slight oversight, but again, no biggie in the greater scheme of things.

But all of these perceived shortcomings  - and they are shortcomings as there are other companies offering the features that Festool lack and catering to the same tradesmen, most of which are interested in keeping within one or two battery platforms.

Not too long ago I decided NOT to expand my Festool 18V system and went the other direction: I put together an 18V skeleton crew of the DRC18/4 the C18 and the BHC18 and sold the rest, the T18, the Carvex, the Drywall gun and my other BHC18 since I decided to contract rather than expand my Festool investments.

I went with Hitachi instead for the drill hammer with chiseling, clip on Vac and exchangeable chucks, triple hammer impact, angle grinder, multicutter and jigsaw and all these I got for what I sold the excess Festool gear for. Added the Hitachi 18V drywall gun which works way better than Festool for screw strips. And it was the best change over I've made - better performance and better ergonomics across the board and with the features I lacked from Festool. My only regret is that I didn't make the leap sooner.

I still have a slot open for Festool gear for second fix and assembly work and will give the impact a try for sure - to put a little more meat back on the skeleton crew...  [smile]
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Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
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Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2018, 08:00 AM »
I found the first german dealer who has the new KAPEX KS 120 REB listet. There is written "available January 2019".
https://www.contorion.de/elektrowerkzeug/festool-kapp-zugsaege-ks-120-reb-kapex-63277105?q=ks%20120%20reb

The only change compared to the previous model (KS 120 EB) in the technical description i found was the Weight change to 23.1 kg (KS 12 EB had 21.5 kg).

More interesting is the new price. The current model (KS 120 EB) costs 1193,58 € including sales tax. The new model (KS 120 REB) has a 74,5 % higher price with 2082,90 € including sales tax. According to this price increase there has to be more new features accept the heavier weight.

Unfortunately there is no picture available.

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2018, 09:36 AM »
Hi Tobias,

I think the price difference might come from the vendor putting in a higher price, as long as the part is not yet available.
This is quite common, to avoid having customers „pre-order“ before the final price is confirmed and having to pay the gap...

Also, pricing for the KS-120 EB currently ranges from 1.516,06€ to 2.482,34€ incl. sales tax on the Festool website, depending on the configuration. :)

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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2018, 02:05 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2018, 08:14 PM »
Does it look notably bigger to anyone else, compared to the current midi?
« Last Edit: November 01, 2018, 08:17 PM by mrB »
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

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« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2018, 12:48 PM »
Thats the first thing I noticed, looks a lot taller than my regular Midi.


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« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2018, 12:56 PM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.

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« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2018, 03:18 PM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.
Exactly. Membrane keypads like that are prone to failure and wearing through/out. Bad design choice IMO. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they hold up.
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« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2018, 07:11 PM »
when it comes to when tools will arrive to either NA or elsewhere I know that everyone loves to speculate and interpret but I would offer a caution that the document posted was not a public announcement and obviously changes can be made to whether or not to bring, timeframe if, etc.

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« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2018, 10:22 PM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.
Exactly. Membrane keypads like that are prone to failure and wearing through/out. Bad design choice IMO. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they hold up.
I agree with the dislike of membrane keypads and the benefit of tactile feedback from rotating knobs.

Nevertheless, one of my vacs had to make a trip through service as the seal around one knobs axis failed and water corroded the switch - in regard of being water proof the new design has benefits.

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« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2018, 09:44 AM »
I'm a gadget freak and a LCD display on a vacuum sounds over the top even to me, but I suppose when you're paying these prices for it we should demand that it be a color display  [big grin]

Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

So true. I really don't care for all these screens in cars. Much less on tools.

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« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2018, 10:04 AM »
I'd prefer a turning knob to the touch panel. With a knob you can see current setting when the vac if off.
Perhaps FT planed ahead to potentially control suction remotely.

My guess is that due to that keypad, this might have some sort of IP water resistance rating.

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« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2018, 10:09 AM »
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.

HmmmI wonder if festool is now selling the saw stop under their own name as they recently aquired it and had one one at Festool connect ( still under the saw stop brand name).

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« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2018, 01:56 PM »
If anything new was at Festool connect 2018 the attendees won't share any material on social media/internet until those products have launched.

I was at a Festool roadshow here in South Africa mid October and the rep mentioned to us that he has something exciting (guess that means new?) to share with us but we have to wait about 3 months. So I'm guessing Jan 2019 product launches.

I don't need a Festool impact, have a great Makita already but if they get it right it will be very tempting.

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2018, 05:23 PM »
TKS80 is intriguing as it indicates a deviation from the pull-saw CS50/70 varieties. Tisch-Kreis-Säge simply means "table(circular)saw" and the others are listed as "pull-saws" in german. It might share add ons from the CS70 and if so could be a potentially great small workshop saw? 

Oh well, the impact is on the shortlist. Unless they screwed it up like the Ti15 it is a welcome addition for me.
A cordless Vecturo is nice but I got that tool covered by another brand or two already.



HmmmI wonder if festool is now selling the saw stop under their own name as they recently aquired it and had one one at Festool connect ( still under the saw stop brand name).

I didn't know Festool acquired Saw Stop, and that would make sense; offering a Festool table saw with the saw stop feature.
Will be quite expensive of course...
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2018, 05:24 PM »
If anything new was at Festool connect 2018 the attendees won't share any material on social media/internet until those products have launched.

I was at a Festool roadshow here in South Africa mid October and the rep mentioned to us that he has something exciting (guess that means new?) to share with us but we have to wait about 3 months. So I'm guessing Jan 2019 product launches.

I don't need a Festool impact, have a great Makita already but if they get it right it will be very tempting.

I am covered with the Hitachi triple hammer but if Festool makes a really really nice one it would be hard to resist for me.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

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« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2018, 05:37 PM »
TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?

If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.

Will they include a pull saw feature like Mafell or would that compete with Kapex too much?

What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?

After underestimating the Woodpecker slab tool so much, I do not think I will try to guess the price of the TSK 80.

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« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2018, 06:21 PM »
TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?
Given festools model names of the past any numbers either denote power requirements (as with the routers) or cutting capacity (as with the TS). So my guess would be the 80 is ment in mm - as the TS 75 uses a 210mm blade and (in rail or CMS use) has 70mm capacity 210 would be too small, the 260mm one (that gives 88mm in the kapex and given a little deeper mounting of the axis as of the retract mechanic) could end up at 80mm.

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If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.
My guess is they will (it would be quite pointless to buy SawStop if they wouldn't use the technology) and I hope they'll use the same blades that go into the Kapex 88/120. That's at least what I would do as product manager: already existing consumeables both keep production/stocking costs down and do not turn off my customers by forcing to get yet another set of blades.

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What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?
Bosch dosn't seem to sell them in Germany (havn't checked rest of Europe).

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« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2018, 06:59 PM »
I hope they'll use the same blades that go into the Kapex 88/120. That's at least what I would do as product manager: already existing consumeables both keep production/stocking costs down and do not turn off my customers by forcing to get yet another set of blades.
Miter (specifically SCMS) and table saw blades are not interchangeable. Because of the degree of freedom during the plunge and how the material is supported SCMS require different tooth geometry to prevent climbing. Even Kapex 60t universal blade has -5 deg. hook angle. Compare it to cross cut table saw blades, which are usually +5 deg. Specialty blades are also different.
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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2018, 03:43 PM »
TSK 80 with 210 or 260 mm blade?

If they include SawStop technology, I would guess 260 so as to minimize changes to cartridge.

Will they include a pull saw feature like Mafell or would that compete with Kapex too much?

What will be the advantage of the Festool saw in Europe where I assume the Bosch is still selling their flesh detecting blade stopping saw?

After underestimating the Woodpecker slab tool so much, I do not think I will try to guess the price of the TSK 80.

I think the name gives away that it is not a pull saw, but a "regular" table saw.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2018, 04:03 PM »
I think the name [TSK] gives away that it is not a pull saw, but a "regular" table saw.
That would be unfortunate. Pull saw is a brilliant idea. You add cost and marginally weight, but don't compromise any other function by having pull capability.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2018, 04:06 PM by Svar »

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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2018, 07:30 AM »
Since buying an ATF 55 in 2003 I’ve only used my very good table saw for ripping stuff less than a foot wide, and very small stuff.

I’ve long thought a portable table saw, as a companion to a plunge cut circular saw, should be in the form of something like a short plank, about 14” wide and 3 feet long, width a pair of wheels on the outboard end.

The new narrow mft add-on would be a good housing for such a portable table saw.
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2018, 10:14 AM »
Like Micheal, I also have a very good table saw...Powermatic 66 that I added a Jet sliding table (no longer available) and made it larger by adding 8020 2040 extrusions.  The only thing that I've use it for is thin rips and making slots for dividers using Freud's 1/4-3/8" slotting set.

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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2018, 06:54 PM »
On eBay and Amazon a few Festool dealers are discounting the Kapex by 10% or more like they did with the previous tools each time a newer model came out so we should be hearing from Festool soon on the new Kapex.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 06:57 PM by Greenhoe »

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I've been told that the new Kapex has a new lateral support system (added arms or something like this). Haven't seen it yet but I will probably soon.

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On eBay and Amazon a few Festool dealers are discounting the Kapex by 10% or more like they did with the previous tools each time a newer model came out so we should be hearing from Festool soon on the new Kapex.

If dealers in the US are discounting the Kapex then I suspect that they are doing it at their own risk.  I never trust ebay and Amazon prices advertised until the shopping cart number comes up.

Peter