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Offline Reiska

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #90 on: November 28, 2018, 08:32 AM »
What is weird is that I found a wireless device authorization record for Kapex 120 REB on the Korean FCC site:

https://fccid.io/RR-FeS-KS120REB

This could indicate that the REB model might be battery powered with BT vacuum switching?
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Offline JEKL

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #91 on: November 28, 2018, 10:55 AM »
Gregor:  Unfortunately, the systainer can not stay on the lid.

Offline neeleman

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #92 on: November 28, 2018, 10:58 AM »
This could indicate that the REB model might be battery powered with BT vacuum switching?

Don't think so.
The battery powered machines like saws and others have the capital C in the name: HKC, TSC, PSC, RTSC, DTSC, ETSC, BHC, PDC, DRC, DWC and ISC. And the new 2019 models: DSC-AGC, AGC and OSC.
A battery powered Kapex should then be called KSC and that's not the case, but it's called KS 120 REB and KS 88 RE.
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Offline JEKL

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #93 on: November 28, 2018, 10:59 AM »
Reiska: The new Kapex KS 120 has only side supports and angular units like the KS60. Nothing more

Offline neeleman

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #94 on: November 28, 2018, 11:01 AM »
And the shadow line instead of the laser.
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Offline JEKL

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #95 on: November 28, 2018, 11:51 AM »
No. The laser remains.

Offline jarbroen

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #96 on: November 28, 2018, 04:28 PM »
It's gotta have fricken laser beams!

Offline Gregor

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #97 on: November 28, 2018, 06:09 PM »
No. The laser remains.
What's the
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LED Spotlight

LED light for easy and precise positioning on the scribe mark.
doing on the features listing of https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5 then?

Gregor:  Unfortunately, the systainer can not stay on the lid.
Suspected that much from the video, thanks for checking.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #98 on: November 29, 2018, 10:03 AM »
What's the
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LED Spotlight

LED light for easy and precise positioning on the scribe mark.
doing on the features listing of https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5 then?

The same page also says "Dual line laser beams clearly mark the exact width of the cut for positioning the work piece from the left or right."

Offline JEKL

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #99 on: November 29, 2018, 04:42 PM »
LED (as on KS 60) will not be.

Offline Gregor

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #100 on: November 30, 2018, 01:19 AM »
What's the
Quote
LED Spotlight

LED light for easy and precise positioning on the scribe mark.
doing on the features listing of https://www.festool.com.au/products/tools/sawing-oscillating/saws/sliding-compound-mitre-saws/ks-120/ks-120r-kapex-260mm-slide-compound-mitre-saw-set_5 then?
The same page also says "Dual line laser beams clearly mark the exact width of the cut for positioning the work piece from the left or right."
Maybe someome should hint our friendly tool suppliers kiwi headquarter to remove the contradicting information from the technical data listing.

Offline amcore

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #101 on: December 01, 2018, 10:01 AM »
Here are the rest of the news for januari 2019! 

https://www.dorchdanola.dk/festool-nyheder.html
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Offline mrB

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2018, 06:26 AM »
Hmmm, the two I was most interested in getting a peak at aren't there. . Grinder and Impact Driver.
there's nothing like the right tool for the job

Offline neeleman

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2018, 03:16 PM »
Also missing a battery powered OSC Vecturo Multitool?
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Offline Summerson

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2018, 04:09 PM »
What is new with the CS50?

Offline TinyShop

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2018, 07:07 PM »
What is new with the CS50?

Looks like at the new version comes standard with a set of casters and fold down anti-tip outriggers. Curious if EKAT (when updated) will have just the casters (from the complete set of replacement legs - 575671) as spare parts since they would make for easy retrofit to MFT/3 and CMS.

There also appears to be maybe be something new with the miter gauge (at the very least it's sporting some new green stickers and perhaps also a re-designed hourglass extrusion) and there's also the addition of a mounting assembly for attaching the miter gauge to the improved cord reel when the latter is not in use. Wondering if the new cord reel is a) available as a spare part and b) retrofittable to the CMS? If it will allow the legacy CMS miter gauge to be snapped onto it that would be worth trying to import.

The bladeguard (and, by extension, riving knife) look to be redesigned. The legacy version is held in place with a single knob/bolt while the new one uses two. Perhaps there's an improvement with airflow to create better overhead dust collection?

Also, there is some change to the stubby legs (that the foldable legs attach to) - at the very least much more robust rubber feet and perhaps a new interface with the foldable/removable legs? Just guessing in regards to the latter. 
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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #106 on: December 03, 2018, 08:50 AM »
new Festool Ctl Midi Video is out:
https://youtu.be/LIfqE6DCC-Q?t=50

Do I see it correctly that the plastic part that holds the actual filter is a throwaway part?


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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #108 on: December 04, 2018, 11:16 AM »
Does it look notably bigger to anyone else, compared to the current midi?


     Measurements from the websites .............  L x W x H

      Current Mini = 430mm x 330mm x 422mm

      New Mini     =  470mm x 320mm x 455mm

      Current Midi = 430mm x 330mm x 470mm

      New Midi      = 470mm x 320mm x 495mm


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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #109 on: December 08, 2018, 07:24 PM »
Any word on a cordless planer coming out?

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #110 on: December 09, 2018, 12:17 AM »
Any word on a cordless planer coming out?

I think that’d be a stretch with the current cordless technology. Maybe in a few years? We’ve come a long ways within the last 2-3 years so it will inevitably happen.

Who would have predicted 2 years ago that cordless table saws, mitre saws and chain saws would become viable woodworking options?

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #111 on: December 09, 2018, 01:36 AM »
Any word on a cordless planer coming out?

I think that’d be a stretch with the current cordless technology. Maybe in a few years? We’ve come a long ways within the last 2-3 years so it will inevitably happen.

Makita, Hitachi, Milwaukee and Bosch all have cordless planers now.
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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #112 on: December 09, 2018, 09:57 AM »
Makita, Hitachi, Milwaukee and Bosch all have cordless planers now.

Hey Shane, my statement had to do with Festool's battery platform. I own 2 Festool drills, an ETSC, a HKC & a TSC. I also own 2 Milwaukee Fuel RA grinders, a Fuel Sawzall, 2 Fuel drills, and the 1400 ft lb Fuel impact. 

The Milwaukee batteries just seem to last longer than the Festool variety. Tough to say for sure because the above tools are all different in nature.  [smile] 

I'm just always impressed with the Milwaukee battery life when after using the tool for an hour straight, I press the button to reveal the amount of charge left and there's still 75% there.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #113 on: December 09, 2018, 03:55 PM »
Battery powered on tools that really need dust collection is a bit of a questionable need.  I suppose it's one less thing to tangle with.  I was happy to see the Festool hose plugs into my bosch planer, so no more hand holding a shop vac into it.

Doesn't surprise me these exist. We have hit the point where the batteries are so common/system that they will make everything they have work of them, if you are doing an update to the tool, no reason really not to make it battery powered. 

With festool though, it's not like they are a battery system like Milwaukee and others where they have massive family of tools using the same battery for a very long time now.  If Festool used Milwaukee M18 batteries, you would see a lot more take up I think.

Offline jamanjeval

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #114 on: December 09, 2018, 08:00 PM »
Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

(touch)screens/electronics on devices are appropriate so long as they prove to be the best way for the operator to accomplish a task while maintaining as good or better reliability and safety.

I don’t know what Festool is going to do with the screen on the dust collector, so I can’t offer an opinion on it. But ultimately, the screen and electronics turn on a motor. That’s it. that shouldn’t be too hard to bypass if it were a choice between that and throwing it away. Knowing Festool, I think they’ll do something interesting and useful with the new bits and bobs that will be a significant improvement over a simple mechanical switch.

The technology you disapprove of, provide real tangeable benefits on modern tools. The soft start and variable speeds are good examples of the benefits. Milwaukee has taken things to the next level with some of their drills where they detect the drill bit getting locked up and shut down the tool before the handle starts to twist around and break your wrist or slam your hand against a joist.

I’ve had opportunitis to use some older (antique?) drills that only had a one speed motor controlled by a snap action switch. More or less they’re what you’re advocating for. They’re fun to look at with the shiny all metal bodies, sparks and aroma of the motor, but they’re not great  to use (not to mention the often poor ergonomics)

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #115 on: December 09, 2018, 08:54 PM »
Screen, Touch screens, etc don't belong on tools, cars etc.  Just make things more of a disposable item and harder to repair.  Maybe in a few years they will have a "higher end" (costlier) model where you pay more for the privilege to not have a screen.   My guess is they are going down the same route as car makers and others where the reality is doing things with a screen and some ICs out back is cheaper than physical knobs/encoder/wiring/etc,  so it's a cost savings but pitched as luxury, only after knobs and such are gone do people realize what they lost, want them back and now you have to pay more and getting the mechanical controls back is the luxury option.

(touch)screens/electronics on devices are appropriate so long as they prove to be the best way for the operator to accomplish a task while maintaining as good or better reliability and safety.

I don’t know what Festool is going to do with the screen on the dust collector, so I can’t offer an opinion on it. But ultimately, the screen and electronics turn on a motor. That’s it. that shouldn’t be too hard to bypass if it were a choice between that and throwing it away. Knowing Festool, I think they’ll do something interesting and useful with the new bits and bobs that will be a significant improvement over a simple mechanical switch.

The technology you disapprove of, provide real tangible benefits on modern tools. The soft start and variable speeds are good examples of the benefits. Milwaukee has taken things to the next level with some of their drills where they detect the drill bit getting locked up and shut down the tool before the handle starts to twist around and break your wrist or slam your hand against a joist.

I’ve had opportunities to use some older (antique?) drills that only had a one speed motor controlled by a snap action switch. More or less they’re what you’re advocating for. They’re fun to look at with the shiny all metal bodies, sparks and aroma of the motor, but they’re not great  to use (not to mention the often poor ergonomics)

This isn't a question of stopping improvements. I'm all for them and the advances that can be made.  That doesn't mean everything new or different is good.  Some changes are very good, some are very bad.  Touch screens are not an improvement.  In the case of things like cars they are flat out deadly and should have been banned from the start.  They will be banned in time, but until then people will continue to die on roads from the distraction caused by them verses simple knobs that people don't even have to look at.  Currently car makers don't want to give up on them because of the cost savings from them.

A screen like this has no place on a tool like a vacuum.

People like new things and advancement, but often they get packaged with bad improvements, but since they come together you are forced to buy the bad in order to get the good.  Which then gets viewed as people liking everything about the new thing.  This is becoming an increasing problem as people find themselves wanting something, or maybe even just needing to replace something that wore out/failed etc.  They find themselves in the in-pass. They don't have a choice to by the new thing, but it has stuff they don't want.  We see this in all sorts of products now.  "smart" this and that, or wi-fi in something where no one wants it, but non-wi-fi version doesn't exist.  Or a built in camera/microphone/fingerprint scanner built into a device when many people don't want those, yet the only products without are junk.

Tools are tools, they aren't suppose to be trendy or have the gimmick of the month, they are suppose to be designed for the long run.

Offline GarryMartin

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #116 on: December 10, 2018, 03:29 AM »
From what I understand, the "touch screen" on the CTM Midi allows you to select the size of hose attached so that the airflow detection required for M Class works correctly. I also understand that there are RFID tags in the hoses so that this can be automatically selected for you based on the hose in use. If there was a manual switch for hose size, this would not work. So moving to an electronic function has an added benefit.

Also, it's not really a "touch screen" per se as you would associate with a tablet or phone etc. It's a panel operated by touch. I think the original German to English translations ended up being a little misleading.


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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #117 on: December 10, 2018, 09:54 AM »
that just sounds like they over complexed the problem.  Adding RFDI tags into every hose?   Also airflow is dependant on more than just the size of a hose, length, clogging, the tool, etc matter too.  A vacuum relay in the vacuum would have done the job. Soon as the machine is working to hard, shut it off.  Works for cars/furnaces/etc  should have been fine here.

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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #118 on: December 10, 2018, 10:41 AM »
The only improvement I would have liked to see is better motor/suction and a return to the non-locking hose ends and connectors.
At the very least that would have been progress in the ease of use and performance of the tools, rather than more cosmetic lipstick and gimmicks.
(the new filter change without opening the vac and manual cleaning are nice additions too I suppose…) but those hose connectors…
god, I hate them, i hate them with an unhealthy passion!
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Re: New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others
« Reply #119 on: December 10, 2018, 01:13 PM »
that just sounds like they over complexed the problem.  Adding RFDI tags into every hose?

Modern production and inventory systems use RFID tags, so FS may just use a choice they already made to build upon for new features.
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