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Offline markberg

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OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« on: August 12, 2017, 09:43 AM »
My depth stop rod doesn't line up well with the depth stop turret. This isn't normal, is it? Please see attached. Thanks.

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Offline aloysius

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2017, 10:09 AM »
You are aware that the turret turns, aren't you?
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Offline markberg

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2017, 10:11 AM »
Yes, but it clicks into place in three positions, right? When it clicks into position, that is how it lines up with all three posts.

Online Cheese

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2017, 10:33 AM »
The depth stop rod looks bent, have you checked for that?

Offline markberg

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 10:41 AM »
The rod is not bent, but it definitely doesn't come down at a right angle to the base.

Offline RJNeal

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2017, 10:46 AM »
The rod on my router are parallel to the two main plunge rods.
Looks like something's not right with your router. The rod is bent or its housing is tweaked.
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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 10:48 AM »
Contact service.  They will get it fixed.
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Offline markberg

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2017, 10:53 AM »
that's what I thought. Thanks, folks.

Online Cheese

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2017, 11:17 AM »
Interestingly enough, I checked my 1010 and the tallest and shortest turret positions aligned perfectly, however the medium position was off significantly See photos 2 & 3 below. I will be talking with Festool about this.

Offline markberg

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 11:23 AM »
That is definitely weirder than mine.

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 11:30 AM »
If the two out of three positions line up I would think that perhaps there is some debris causing an issue @Cheese .

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 12:13 PM »
Hey @Peter Halle I just finished removing the turret and there was no debris under it. So I cleaned everything and relubed with some high pressure vacuum grease and the issue persists. The middle detent is off by about 1/2 of a position.  [sad]

Which brings up an earlier issue, recently while milling some HVAC vents from Jatoba, the router plunged too deep on 2 occasions and I managed to put two 5/16" diameter router bit divots into an outdoor teak table.  very [mad]

At the time, I blamed it on the router bit loosening up, but now I realize it was most likely that when I used the middle position and plunged, there is so little contact, that the turret simply turned slightly and allowed the router bit to plunge too far... [crying]...into the table.

Oh well, just another project to add to the list...




Offline Scorpion

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OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2017, 10:32 PM »
I had mine out so I thought I'd see if mine has the same problem and it doesn't. All three are nearly exactly perfect.

Lowest -

Middle -

Highest -

Now I'm sitting here wondering, given how the detente has to work, how could only one of the three be mis-aligned?  It's a 3 position index spinning around a central point.  If two are perfect then the third would have to be mis-drilled itself.  I played with mine a little and it seems like the grey cast piece has multiple detents but it's more likely they're casting imperfections or ribs or something.  Mine has noticeable resistance right where it appears yours stops.  Maybe yours has something in the way of the detent hole.

Do this - take the center bolt out and inspect the bottom of the grey piece...what do you see?!  If you do, be very careful.  They're may be a spring and ball in there.


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OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2017, 10:36 PM »
Oh heck, I'm standing here looking at it and curious now so I took mine apart. 



I was right.  The additional bumps were ribs.  Not sure why they needed the additional recesses.  Maybe one of yours is mucked up or the actual hole has crap in it and then ball doesn't index.
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Online Cheese

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2017, 10:59 PM »
Thanks for taking a look at yours, I hear what your saying but I cleaned mine twice and it's still off. Tomorrow I'm pulling it apart again and checking it with the calipers. I'm sure when the underside is spotfaced in the 3 locations, the parts are nested in a fixture and the fixture or the end mill would be indexed and then rotated 120 degrees. That should ensure a foolproof manufacturing process...we'll see tomorrow.

Now about that teak table that my wife hasn't eyeballed yet...hmmm, finish bathroom...finish loft built-ins or fix the table?

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2017, 11:12 PM »
While we're on the subject of the 1010. Mine the fine depth adjustment knob drifts. This forces me to "lock" the fine adjustment against the top or bottom of the adjustment range.

I recall a post a few years ago about this and a resolve to the problem. My feeble n=mind and old age are getting in the way of me finding the thread now. Anyone recall the resolve? (I know I can call service, but I never get around to these types of things for myself.)

Any input is appreciated.

Tom

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2017, 11:54 PM »
While we're on the subject of the 1010. Mine the fine depth adjustment knob drifts. This forces me to "lock" the fine adjustment against the top or bottom of the adjustment range.

I recall a post a few years ago about this and a resolve to the problem. My feeble n=mind and old age are getting in the way of me finding the thread now. Anyone recall the resolve? (I know I can call service, but I never get around to these types of things for myself.)

Any input is appreciated.

Tom

Not sure what others have used but I'd use purple thread locker.  Shouldn't need much.  In a bind on the job I'd try either plumbers tape or gas line tape.  Just a little should safely wedge the threads to keep it from moving but remain moveable.


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Offline Scorpion

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2017, 11:56 PM »
Now about that teak table that my wife hasn't eyeballed yet...hmmm, finish bathroom...finish loft built-ins or fix the table?

In your boat I'd probably start a new project.  [emoji12]


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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2017, 12:11 AM »

In your boat I'd probably start a new project.  [emoji12]


Safer yet, I'll just purchase a 2 month long pass to follow the total eclipse of the sun...by then it'll be October/November, snow will have fallen and the teak table will be covered and I'll be golden until April. [big grin]

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2017, 12:30 AM »

While we're on the subject of the 1010. Mine the fine depth adjustment knob drifts. This forces me to "lock" the fine adjustment against the top or bottom of the adjustment range.


Hey Tom, I'd side with Scorpion and use a bit of blue or purple Loctite. When I pulled the 1010 apart today, I noticed that they use a blue thread locker that will eventually wear away (it's only a surface treatment) as the height screw is continually adjusted up and down. Way back when...the common method used was to stake a small nylon pellet into the threaded area of the screw/stud and this basically never wore out because it would continually expand when it was not engaged with the mating threads. I was honestly surprised and dismayed that Festool took the cheaper approach.

Your drifting observation confirms my dismay...because that means the more I use and readjust the turret stops on the 1010 & 1400, sooner or later I will have the same issue as you. [sad]
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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2017, 01:57 PM »
So I disassembled the turret/detent assembly for the third time. What I originally thought was a series of spot faces used as detents are actually just ejector pin marks. The actual detents are the bottom of the holes that hold the adjustable height screws. In my case, I screwed the shortest height adjuster so far into the turret, that it would no longer act as a detent stop. It would only stop on either side of the correct position.

This is pretty much a problem with the shortest height adjuster only. While the middle height adjuster can be screwed in far enough to affect the detent, it actually has to be screwed in below the top surface of the turret. The tallest height adjuster just isn't long enough to ever cause an issue.

So bottom line is, when adjusting the shortest height adjuster, make sure there are at least 5 threads visible, this ensures the detent will work properly. As fewer threads become visible, the detent will no longer center properly and will start to move further and further off center.

Offline DobieG

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2017, 10:08 PM »
Not sure if this will work but this may be the thread that showed one person's fix for the turret problem on the OF 1400:  festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/of1400-depth-stop-turret-my-fix/msg308822/#msg308822. I am not very computer savy so do not know how to link the thread. Just do a search for:  OF1400 turret fix. Hopes this helps.

Offline Scorpion

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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2017, 10:50 PM »
So I disassembled the turret/detent assembly for the third time. What I originally thought was a series of spot faces used as detents are actually just ejector pin marks. The actual detents are the bottom of the holes that hold the adjustable height screws. In my case, I screwed the shortest height adjuster so far into the turret, that it would no longer act as a detent stop. It would only stop on either side of the correct position.

This is pretty much a problem with the shortest height adjuster only. While the middle height adjuster can be screwed in far enough to affect the detent, it actually has to be screwed in below the top surface of the turret. The tallest height adjuster just isn't long enough to ever cause an issue.

So bottom line is, when adjusting the shortest height adjuster, make sure there are at least 5 threads visible, this ensures the detent will work properly. As fewer threads become visible, the detent will no longer center properly and will start to move further and further off center.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.  Strange that the design doesn't allow the screw to bottom out at the min-height.  I get that it doesn't matter however the common user would expect that it could go all the way down.  Maybe it's intentional for another reason (needs to be long enough for some condition).  Dunno.


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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2017, 08:46 AM »

Strange that the design doesn't allow the screw to bottom out at the min-height.  I get that it doesn't matter however the common user would expect that it could go all the way down.


You're right...it could be as simple as not cutting those last 5 threads which would leave a larger diameter to act as a stop on the top of the turret.  [tongue]

Offline ben_r_

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Re: OF 1010 Eq router - is this normal?
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2017, 01:04 PM »
Man, good thread. Now I have to remember to check the turrets on mine when I get home!
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