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Offline JLB builders LLC

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2011, 11:10 PM »
I use a Porter cable 7800 drywall sander and 80 grit.12x14 room takes 20 min. It will fill the PC7812 bags quickly so have bags on hand. Completely dustless.
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Offline Sean.M

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2011, 11:50 PM »
I use a Porter cable 7800 drywall sander and 80 grit.12x14 room takes 20 min. It will fill the PC7812 bags quickly so have bags on hand. Completely dustless.
Thanks, for this post. What are you using for the edges?
What is your turnover rate on the 7800?

Offline Sean.M

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2011, 10:03 PM »
I removed the popcorn texture from a 6' X 14' bathroom drywall ceiling today. I first scraped the ceiling with a 2 1/2" Craftsman paint scraper. I did not make any gouge marks in the drywall ceiling.  I swept up the dry compound off of the floor with a broom. I vacuumed up the remaining dust from the floor & other surfaces with a CT36. I then sanded the ceiling with a ETS125 with 80 grit Granat paper hooked to the CT36. There was very little dust from the sanding for me to vacuum up & I only needed 1 disk. It worked great & much better than I expected. The total time including cleanup was less than 1 hour & 45 minutes.  
Thanks Chris a ets125 is something I planned on trying. Do you think you could of skipped the initial scraping of the nubs and just went into sanding?

Offline Sean.M

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2011, 12:27 AM »
I removed the popcorn texture from a 6' X 14' bathroom drywall ceiling today. I first scraped the ceiling with a 2 1/2" Craftsman paint scraper. I did not make any gouge marks in the drywall ceiling.  I swept up the dry compound off of the floor with a broom. I vacuumed up the remaining dust from the floor & other surfaces with a CT36. I then sanded the ceiling with a ETS125 with 80 grit Granat paper hooked to the CT36. There was very little dust from the sanding for me to vacuum up & I only needed 1 disk. It worked great & much better than I expected. The total time including cleanup was less than 1 hour & 45 minutes.  
Thanks Chris a ets125 is something I planned on trying. Do you think you could of skipped the initial scraping of the nubs and just went into sanding?

I am sure I could have. It would have made the job cleaner, but even with the cleanup I believe it was a lot quicker by scraping first. 
Interesting. That is pretty much lines up with what I was thinking. I would probably sacrifice a little time to push the cleaner aspect.
Thanks.

Offline Joseph C

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2011, 01:33 AM »
PEOPLE!  [eek]

As a previous commenter suggested, MANY POPCORN CEILINGS CONTAIN ASBESTOS!

If you sand/grind, you'll atomize those (extremely fine/lightweight) particles and they can never be fully removed from the house's atmosphere.   The advantage of the wet+scrape method is that it weighs down the fibers and keeps the mass intact.

It's one thing to be that irresponsible with the air of your own home, but please don't do that to clients.
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Offline Sean.M

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2011, 01:53 AM »
PEOPLE!  [eek]

As a previous commenter suggested, MANY POPCORN CEILINGS CONTAIN ASBESTOS!

If you sand/grind, you'll atomize those (extremely fine/lightweight) particles and they can never be fully removed from the house's atmosphere.   The advantage of the wet+scrape method is that it weighs down the fibers and keeps the mass intact.

It's one thing to be that irresponsible with the air of your own home, but please don't do that to clients.
Asbestos was used up to 83 in this type of texture in some regions, now it is more like styorfoam rather than cork. I have this in mind when I  typically inquire of the age of the home even though most time it is apparent, but what Joseph says is 100% for anyone in doubt verify the age of the home and if in doubt get it tested.

I also shut the air off and cover the vents as to not contaminate their central system when I do this type of work. If that is not possible then I will block the area I am in.

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2011, 06:37 PM »
I use a Porter cable 7800 drywall sander and 80 grit.12x14 room takes 20 min. It will fill the PC7812 bags quickly so have bags on hand. Completely dustless.
Thanks, for this post. What are you using for the edges?
What is your turnover rate on the 7800?
I used up 2-3 bags on a 12x16 room using 100 grit….House was built in 1986. No mess to clean up afterwards and no dust escaped the PC sander. For the Corners I used a Fein Multi Master and held the Vac hose up to catch the dust :D
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Offline Bob Lambe

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2011, 06:43 PM »
About 10 years ago, I did a smooth ceiling job for a cousin of mine, and her father dropped in.  He was a retired plasterer, an italian man in his 70's.  He  saw me scraping the ceiling, laughed at me and says "Why you no just coat over it?"  So now, in most cases, I just bury the stuff in mud.

  You do have to watch sometimes the moisture in the mud will cause the popcorn to let go from the ceiling.  Which makes it a more costly, but cleaner wet removal system.   Often though you'll be carving out a few bubbles, filling them in with more compound and with another coat everything should look great.   In most cases though everything holds just fine. 

Just to offer an entirely different angle on the problem.  I've smoothed too many ceilings and walls over the years, and I've never thought about using a powered sander.


Online Peter Halle

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2011, 07:19 PM »
Some of the ceilings that I have done have been quick and easy.  Some have been a bear.

Here are some things I have encountered:

1.  Multiple layers of paint - used a wallpaper steamer and then scraped off
2.  Repairs made with plaster and sand - Grunt it out
3.  Repairs made with small gravel and sheetrock mud - wished I had used the steamer.  Projectiles flying.

Have fun!

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Offline Sean.M

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2012, 10:31 PM »
Sean

This is the 130 attachment I am talking about:

http://www.festoolusa.com/products/sanders/other-accessories/scraper-491199.html

Anybody know the measurements on this? I looked at it on the Festool site but could not find specs. When connected to the LS 130 does it have extractor capabilities?

I have done some popcorn ceiling removal sand jobs now using the ETS 125 and the RTS 400 on unpainted popcorn ceilings. The job goes fast without the mess but the problem I am having is it is not quite as clean as I want.

When the edge of the pad hits the texture it knocks the nubs off. Of course it is only knocking a percent down and it cleans up easy but I am now thinking I need to quickly knock the nubs off before sanding if I do not want some of the nubs to get knocked down on to my drops. I am also considering the Homax 6100 scraper that you attach the bag to. I have used the Homax thing before and it is not all that good of a tool but I am thinking since I just want the nubs to fall into a bag it may work here.

I will post pics and or video later of how this has been working for me but right now I am looking for input on the LS 130 attachment or any other tool I can use that will prevent the nubs from falling without preferably being caught in the CT.  

« Last Edit: March 04, 2012, 10:48 PM by Sean.M »

Offline Sean.M

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2012, 11:26 PM »
I have not seen one but I am guessing it is about 4" wide.

You would not have any dust collection with the scraper.
Thanks Chris, that is what I was thinking but was not sure. I can quickly sand if I am fine with the droppings and clean up later. It seems your earlier post was dead on about the prescraping.

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2012, 03:11 AM »
Sean, 

I don't have measurements, but you can get a good idea of the size by looking at the images in Frank's thread here:  a-great-tool-for-handling-hard-to-remove-vinyl-tiles-festool-scraper/

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Offline Alex

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2012, 05:23 AM »
A width of 4'' or 100 mm is correct..
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 08:33 AM by Alex »

Offline Demetrius

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2012, 08:46 AM »
At a certain project, a client wanted to eliminate the popcorn ceiling.  His was of the fine type, but he was concerned about costs and possibly asbestos.  Though through tests it was revealed that asbestos was not present, we proposed capping the entire surface with a 1/4 inch sheet of gypsum.  He lost 1/4 inch of height and was very pleased with result.  Time and costs were kept to minimum, since only the joints and fasteners had to be plastered.
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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2012, 10:21 AM »
At a certain project, a client wanted to eliminate the popcorn ceiling.  His was of the fine type, but he was concerned about costs and possibly asbestos.  Though through tests it was revealed that asbestos was not present, we proposed capping the entire surface with a 1/4 inch sheet of gypsum.  He lost 1/4 inch of height and was very pleased with result.  Time and costs were kept to minimum, since only the joints and fasteners had to be plastered.

This is what I did in my home.
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Offline drewrrr

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Re: Popcorn ceiling sanding
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2017, 01:48 PM »
Just used the Festool sander to remove a popcorn ceiling in a large  vaulted ceiling.
Worked great! Got almost all popcorn into the vacuum with a bit on the ground and some tight corners needing hand scraping. Went a bit too deep in a few spots so had to spakle and resand, but nothing compared to what I'd have to do if water hit the joints.
Used 80, then 120 grit. Went through 3 plastic disposable bags.
First time using anything like this and will be using it frequently now on many future jobs. Definitely the way of the future.