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Anyone else think that it is ridiculous that Protool isn't offered in the Western Hemisphere. Come on you Aussies, start selling the drill bodies over here so we can use our Festool batteries and chargers with it? Just an idea.
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2012, 02:00 AM » |
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Anyone else think that it is ridiculous that Protool isn't offered in the Western Hemisphere. Come on you Aussies, start selling the drill bodies over here so we can use our Festool batteries and chargers with it? Just an idea.
Happy to ... But you'd hate the prices!
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2012, 02:09 AM » |
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How much would a DRC 18-4 drill body cost?
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2012, 02:32 AM » |
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with aussie prices i suspect more than a flight to germany to fetch 1 lol
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2012, 02:41 AM » |
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You could probably buy the plane and still be better off financially.
Check protool.com.au ... They're the prices I pay.
Today the best presented Aussie Festool site is idealtools.com.au
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 04:39 AM » |
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Just a thought .... Timberwolf Tools does sell some Protool gear http://timberwolftools.com/tools/protool/protool.htmlIt may be worth seeing if they can get their hands on cordless drills for you at a reasonable price.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2012, 09:56 PM » |
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No go with Timberwolf Tools. But I have friends in Germany and Austria. I'll let everyone know if I go that route. Thanks
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Just a little background for you guys. I am a plumber by trade and the reason why I am looking at Festool/Protool is that my 4 year old Panasonic 14.4 drill passed on to the afterlife. This cordless drill has never really impressed me, but it works. I really like the Panasonic impact driver that came with my set. For being four years old, it is still a top notch tool with 3.0 Ah batteries and a brushless motor. I have replaced my impact housing twice because of falls on concrete, the second drop not being that high. So now I am looking to invest in something more robust and while the Festool drills look great, for my kind of work I would like durability (Protool) over precision (Festool). Being a plumber, I am always drilling through studs, joists, floors, and siding with either self-feeding bits, hole saws, or auger bits. It would be nice to not have to haul around my heavy Milwaukee SuperHawg for all of the tough drilling.
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Just a little background for you guys. I am a plumber by trade and the reason why I am looking at Festool/Protool is that my 4 year old Panasonic 14.4 drill passed on to the afterlife. This cordless drill has never really impressed me, but it works. I really like the Panasonic impact driver that came with my set. For being four years old, it is still a top notch tool with 3.0 Ah batteries and a brushless motor. I have replaced my impact housing twice because of falls on concrete, the second drop not being that high. So now I am looking to invest in something more robust and while the Festool drills look great, for my kind of work I would like durability (Protool) over precision (Festool). Being a plumber, I am always drilling through studs, joists, floors, and siding with either self-feeding bits, hole saws, or auger bits. It would be nice to not have to haul around my heavy Milwaukee SuperHawg for all of the tough drilling.
Then haul around the Milwaukee M28 drill or M28 right angle drill. Plenty of power for that kind of work and no cords but the charger's.
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Just a little background for you guys. I am a plumber by trade and the reason why I am looking at Festool/Protool is that my 4 year old Panasonic 14.4 drill passed on to the afterlife. This cordless drill has never really impressed me, but it works. I really like the Panasonic impact driver that came with my set. For being four years old, it is still a top notch tool with 3.0 Ah batteries and a brushless motor. I have replaced my impact housing twice because of falls on concrete, the second drop not being that high. So now I am looking to invest in something more robust and while the Festool drills look great, for my kind of work I would like durability (Protool) over precision (Festool). Being a plumber, I am always drilling through studs, joists, floors, and siding with either self-feeding bits, hole saws, or auger bits. It would be nice to not have to haul around my heavy Milwaukee SuperHawg for all of the tough drilling.
I have a buddy that had the same Panasonic and switched to the Protool. He bought it while on vacation in Prague. Said he had to have a few drinks before he handed over the $800 for a drill. He then carried a systainer around Europe for two weeks. The drill is awesome in every single way, other than price. I don't know if the bump in price along with difficulty in obtaining the drill is worth it over the T18. I am sure there are a few people that abuse their Fes drills who can attest to their durability.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2012, 10:33 AM » |
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Just a little background for you guys. I am a plumber by trade and the reason why I am looking at Festool/Protool is that my 4 year old Panasonic 14.4 drill passed on to the afterlife. This cordless drill has never really impressed me, but it works. I really like the Panasonic impact driver that came with my set. For being four years old, it is still a top notch tool with 3.0 Ah batteries and a brushless motor. I have replaced my impact housing twice because of falls on concrete, the second drop not being that high. So now I am looking to invest in something more robust and while the Festool drills look great, for my kind of work I would like durability (Protool) over precision (Festool). Being a plumber, I am always drilling through studs, joists, floors, and siding with either self-feeding bits, hole saws, or auger bits. It would be nice to not have to haul around my heavy Milwaukee SuperHawg for all of the tough drilling.
I have a buddy that had the same Panasonic and switched to the Protool. He bought it while on vacation in Prague. Said he had to have a few drinks before he handed over the $800 for a drill. He then carried a systainer around Europe for two weeks. The drill is awesome in every single way, other than price. I don't know if the bump in price along with difficulty in obtaining the drill is worth it over the T18. I am sure there are a few people that abuse their Fes drills who can attest to their durability. When you put a T18 in one hand and a PDC18-4 for in the other, it's easier to put the T18 down first! I've been waiting months (and I'm still waiting) for the updated PDC18-4 to arrive here - there is a current special in Oz, for $AU699 you get the PDC18-4 in a old style systainer, plus a 3rd battery and a Protool torch. So tempting. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2012, 10:36 AM » |
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Just a little background for you guys. I am a plumber by trade and the reason why I am looking at Festool/Protool is that my 4 year old Panasonic 14.4 drill passed on to the afterlife. This cordless drill has never really impressed me, but it works. I really like the Panasonic impact driver that came with my set. For being four years old, it is still a top notch tool with 3.0 Ah batteries and a brushless motor. I have replaced my impact housing twice because of falls on concrete, the second drop not being that high. So now I am looking to invest in something more robust and while the Festool drills look great, for my kind of work I would like durability (Protool) over precision (Festool). Being a plumber, I am always drilling through studs, joists, floors, and siding with either self-feeding bits, hole saws, or auger bits. It would be nice to not have to haul around my heavy Milwaukee SuperHawg for all of the tough drilling.
I have the Milwaukee SuperHawg that I rarely need for those REALLY tough jobs, it certainly gets the job done but you better have the extended pipe handle screwed in and even with that it can give you a ride... 
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2012, 10:57 AM » |
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I've used my Super Hawg a lot and never had kickback.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2012, 11:36 AM » |
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When you put a T18 in one hand and a PDC18-4 for in the other, it's easier to put the T18 down first!
I can't disagree with that. The metal housing around the chuck screams business. It doesn't have a light on it though. I wish my T15 had a light...
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There are plenty of times that there is no getting around using a heavy right angle drill to go through wood. I want a tough cordless drill for drilling through I-joists under subfloors. My Panasonic 14.4 had a hard time with a 2-1/2" hole saw through 1/2" OSB unless the battery was fresh. I don't need a light since I almost always wear a good headlamp on the jobsite.
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When you put a T18 in one hand and a PDC18-4 for in the other, it's easier to put the T18 down first!
I can't disagree with that. The metal housing around the chuck screams business. It doesn't have a light on it though. I wish my T15 had a light... That was the reason I didn't keep the T18 I'd purchased, no light - got a C15+Ti15 instead and decided to get the big Protool later ... then came the news of the update with a light! (the T18 I got came with that stupid little add on light ... piece of rubbish that) I never had a light on a drill / driver until I got a CXS - now I think it's silly not to have a light.
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2012, 01:24 PM » |
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I've used my Super Hawg a lot and never had kickback.
A place that comes to mind -- I was drilling 1" diameter holes in structural shapes e.g. I-beam, channel, etc. with a twist drill -- the drill tended to grab as it broke through the ~1/2" webs. I would normally use a drill press or mill but the pieces were to big to handle. I don't know if Milwaukee offers the SuperHawg with variable speed (ideal for what I was doing) but mine is only a two speed model.
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Have you guys ever checked out DeWalt's Hole Hawg Kilelr. Or at least their attempt at the killer. It never took off here, in the North East. Milwaukee just has the name.
But, the DeWalt has some sort of safety gyroscope tech in it that turns the motor off when the drill is on and then deviates 10 or 15 degrees from the original position in which it was turned on (trigger depressed). It's VERY cool and it works. It does not need 180 degree rotation, or even 90 degree rotation, for the clutch / motor to cut out, nor does it need to feel any torque. Simply just needs to move a bit and she shuts down.
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I've used my Super Hawg a lot and never had kickback.
A place that comes to mind -- I was drilling 1" diameter holes in structural shapes e.g. I-beam, channel, etc. with a twist drill -- the drill tended to grab as it broke through the ~1/2" webs. I would normally use a drill press or mill but the pieces were to big to handle. I don't know if Milwaukee offers the SuperHawg with variable speed (ideal for what I was doing) but mine is only a two speed model. Ron, only a 2 speed model to my knowledge and the low speed has a safety clutch. Maybe I've just been lucky, but that thing has such gobs of torque and never gave me a hint of torque reaction while drilling. I still take precautionary measures.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2012, 02:13 AM » |
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You could probably buy the plane and still be better off financially.
Check protool.com.au ... They're the prices I pay.
Today the best presented Aussie Festool site is idealtools.com.au
No probably about it, prices here are so high it makes your hair bleed. Think 200 to 300% higher than the US... $23 sandpaper is $72, a $21 router bit is $83.... Makes me think there might be a heck of an opportunity for us Aussies to do a collective buy deal with a trusted US member and do a bulk order and ship. We can split it up when it arrives.... Think about it, just getting the 50 to 180 Rubin range would drop the price from $250 odd to about $110....
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Ken, I have a 40 +/- yr old Milwaukee HoleHawg and it has, upon occasion, tried to slap me against the wall, or twist my shoulder out of its Socket. Of course, at my best fighting weight, i was all of 149#, ringing wet. Not much lead in my butt for tangling with that monster. I still have it. the HoleHawg, not the leadin my butt. At about 135, I think it could toss me across a room. I'm with Ron on this one.  Tinker
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Wayne,
I know what you mean. I had a Hole Hawg before. The Super Hawg is about twice as powerful and feels very different. It also gets into much tighter spots. That's why I moved up to it.
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with the US dollar and the Australian dollar at parity, it is insane how much more you guys pay compared to us US'rs. A kapex at $1850 vs $1300? Are incomes down under commensurately higher? With the factory is subsidizing the US market, are there other countries where they are doing the same? Are we the cheapest place to buy Festool? You wonder how much longer this pricing strategy is going to continue. If they are reaching their sales goals in other countries at prices more than double in some instances, we aren't going to be in this position forever. I think its time to load up on everything you could ever possibly want before reality hits us in the noggin!
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Protool in the UK is very small still! Protool/Festool told my dealer its because Festool isnt big enough in the UK yet for them to justify expanding the Protool business in the UK soo they said untill they are happy with the growth of the Festool range they wont be making any effort in pushing the Protool Range in the UK.
Maybe its the same in the USA
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Protool in the UK is very small still! Protool/Festool told my dealer its because Festool isnt big enough in the UK yet for them to justify expanding the Protool business in the UK soo they said untill they are happy with the growth of the Festool range they wont be making any effort in pushing the Protool Range in the UK.
Maybe its the same in the USA
I don't think they will ever be that big....
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hmmm not that I know much about selling and marketing tools but that doesn't seem that logical to me:
"We don't sell much protool so until we do we're not going to focus on selling protool?!"
I know there are a lot of costs involved distributing and marketing so entering a new market would be expensive but Protool has many models that would have cost a fortune to develop I would have thought it worth it. Not to mention one would think there are a lot more people spending money on construction tools like Protool than woodworking tools like Festool.
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hmmm not that I know much about selling and marketing tools but that doesn't seem that logical to me:
"We don't sell much protool so until we do we're not going to focus on selling protool?!"
I know there are a lot of costs involved distributing and marketing so entering a new market would be expensive but Protool has many models that would have cost a fortune to develop I would have thought it worth it. Not to mention one would think there are a lot more people spending money on construction tools like Protool than woodworking tools like Festool.
If you had said "We don't sell much Festool so until we do we're not going to focus on selling protool?!" THEN you would of understood what I said. I dont know where you got that quote from but that is not what I said or meant. I said they dont think Festool is big enough in the UK YET untill it is THEN they will expand the Protool business. Soooo basically what they are saying is they rather focus on getting Festool as big as possible in the UK and then work on Protool later! Personally! I believe Protool and Festool Compliment each other and I believe one will help the other in sales terms! JMB
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I really can't see how it would be hard for them to just put protocol in the dealers that want it too
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I really can't see how it would be hard for them to just put protocol in the dealers that want it too
+1 I agree! Just saying thats the Reason why Protool aint expanding here in the UK and could be why they are not bothering in the USA yet JMB
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Sorry JMB i wasn't trying to sound like I was putting words in your mouth. Just making a silly quote to show how I thought Festools reasoning sounded silly to me. And it is not that I don't believe you are correct in why they are not pushing Protool in the UK.
I guess I simply agree with you and DeanSocial- Protool would compliment Festool very well and how difficult or expensive would it be to start selling them in stores that carry Protool?
Like I said I am naive to the finer details of tool sales I just figured if a company goes to all the trouble of making tools sending them to stores so consumers can buy them seems like the easy and cheap part. Dunno.
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Sorry JMB i wasn't trying to sound like I was putting words in your mouth. Just making a silly quote to show how I thought Festools reasoning sounded silly to me. And it is not that I don't believe you are correct in why they are not pushing Protool in the UK.
I guess I simply agree with you and DeanSocial- Protool would compliment Festool very well and how difficult or expensive would it be to start selling them in stores that carry Protool?
Like I said I am naive to the finer details of tool sales I just figured if a company goes to all the trouble of making tools sending them to stores so consumers can buy them seems like the easy and cheap part. Dunno.
I agree! Just to add to the confusion here! I was told when a Protool tool needs repairing it gets sent to the same place you send your Festool tools to to get fixed! I know this cus I own a few Protool tools!
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Down in Oz we get a really good range of Protool gear ... on features the Protool cordless drills should be more expensive than Festool - but they're not. Shhhh !!  . Things are expensive enough already.
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Sorry JMB i wasn't trying to sound like I was putting words in your mouth. Just making a silly quote to show how I thought Festools reasoning sounded silly to me. And it is not that I don't believe you are correct in why they are not pushing Protool in the UK.
I guess I simply agree with you and DeanSocial- Protool would compliment Festool very well and how difficult or expensive would it be to start selling them in stores that carry Protool?
Like I said I am naive to the finer details of tool sales I just figured if a company goes to all the trouble of making tools sending them to stores so consumers can buy them seems like the easy and cheap part. Dunno.
The fact that festools ate not stocked in the uk , they are sent to the dealer direct from Germany make me thing it not hard at all to get protocols here but I guess they have a hard time getting dealers to sock the more expensive items.
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Sorry JMB i wasn't trying to sound like I was putting words in your mouth. Just making a silly quote to show how I thought Festools reasoning sounded silly to me. And it is not that I don't believe you are correct in why they are not pushing Protool in the UK.
I guess I simply agree with you and DeanSocial- Protool would compliment Festool very well and how difficult or expensive would it be to start selling them in stores that carry Protool?
Like I said I am naive to the finer details of tool sales I just figured if a company goes to all the trouble of making tools sending them to stores so consumers can buy them seems like the easy and cheap part. Dunno.
The fact that festools ate not stocked in the uk , they are sent to the dealer direct from Germany make me thing it not hard at all to get protocols here but I guess they have a hard time getting dealers to sock the more expensive items. That distribution model really surprises me! One thing you have to keep in mind is that a retailer has to be "sold" a proposition to put stuff on their shelves ... most may see stocking Protool as something that would only take sales from their others brands ... so "why bother". This is where the expense comes in - marketing the brand in the channel ... Trained reps, localised marketing material, demo equipment, merchandising displays and so forth.
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