Forrest Anderson
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2009, 08:54 PM » |
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How the much is that table?!? A bargain, I'm sure you'll agree, at 1147.70 GBP incl VAT for either the 110V or 230V versions in the UK! However, if you want the Systainer that holds the bases and the parallel fence etc for hand-routing, that would be extra. To convert into Festool Units (can I patent that term?  ), the complete TF2200 (ie the router plus the table and various bits & bobs) equals 2.0 x plain OF2200 routers, or 1.3 x plain Kapex saws, or 2.9 x Rotex RO150FEQ-Plus sanders. I might have a job in Scottland this summer, so I'll be putting my grubby little hands if all goes well.
Here is a list of dealers in Scotland in case you come over. Forrest |
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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2009, 09:09 PM » |
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Either the 1400 or the 2200 can likely do what you want power and cutter wise. Part of the question becomes do you want to do the little jobs with a 20 lb router like the 2200 when the much lighter 1400 would do the job too. If you really want a big router then I think you are being told that there are other options that can do pretty much the same work at a lot less money. Of course if money is not an issue....and weight is not an issue then the 2200 may be perfect for you.
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2009, 09:12 PM » |
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How the much is that table?!? A bargain, I'm sure you'll agree, at 1147.70 GBP incl VAT for either the 110V or 230V versions in the UK! However, if you want the Systainer that holds the bases and the parallel fence etc for hand-routing, that would be extra. To convert into Festool Units (can I patent that term? ), the complete TF2200 (ie the router plus the table and various bits & bobs) equals 2.0 x plain OF2200 routers, or 1.3 x plain Kapex saws, or 2.9 x Rotex RO150FEQ-Plus sanders. I might have a job in Scottland this summer, so I'll be putting my grubby little hands if all goes well.
Here is a list of dealers in Scotland in case you come over. Forrest 1650.00 us, Yikes and last year it would have been close to 2000.00. Get it before the exchange rates go back up and sneak it home. |
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The one who says it can't be done should avoid interrupting the person doing it. (or designing / contemplating it)
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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2009, 09:33 PM » |
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Can you buy the table set up separate from the router?
Jesus,
Here's the bottom line to me. Unless you are doing solid surface or getting a screeming deal on the OF2200, then I would get the OF1400. I love my 2200 but it is not my primary router for a reason and I did get a screeming deal. Thats my two cents. C Hughes
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Forrest Anderson
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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2009, 10:01 PM » |
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Can you buy the table set up separate from the router?
In the UK, yes. The TF2200 seems to be package of three main items - the OF2200 router, a standard CMS-GE table with legs (and with a large hole in the middle for fitting various modules), and the module that fits into the hole and holds the OF2200 router. The CMS-GE table can be used with other modules and tools, eg belt sander, jigsaw, circular saw. See the CMS brochure at http://www.festool.co.uk/images/gb_downloads/brochure_CMS.pdf which was written before the OF2200 was introduced. Forrest |
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Jesus Aleman
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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2009, 10:14 PM » |
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Thanks Chris. You answered my question... Thx. and I'm not made of money, but I'm not scared paying more for something that I will use for the right application. I hate having tools (and money) sitting idle because I didn't buy right. Anyways, from what you are telling me the OF1400 will be sufficient. Good point Notorious on the weight. I have been thinking about that one. I can see a 17lb beast being hard to handle in some situations. Maybe we can try Jerry Work's horizontal router jig with the beast.  That will be a test of endurance. |
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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2009, 10:32 PM » |
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Weight and the fact that it seemed the TS55 do 98% of what I wanted and needed to do with a track saw was the reasons I picked the TS55 over the TS75.
Besides you have the 30 days....
If after the 30 days you decide you rather have the 2200 I think you will have a better chance of getting your money back with the 1400 in resale rather than the 2200. IIRC there have been a couple 2200s sell on ebay in the past 6 weeks in the $500 range if you decide you want one later too.
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« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2009, 11:20 PM » |
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If you have the money for a Festool table mounted 2200 router, and if you have the shop space and don't need portability, why not get a shaper instead?
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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2009, 12:00 AM » |
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Lastly, if it were DESIGNED for a table it would have been marketed as a table router, like the big Milwaukee unit or Triton are. I do not think I have ever seen an ad mentioning it for a table(okay find one now guys), let alone marketing it as a unit for a table. Why would they design it for something and then not show ads for that use? In short the ads say HUGE bits in a hand held unit.
I think this is semantics here, just because it can be used in a table does not mean it was designed for a table.
Well, since you asked, here is the 8-page brochure for the TF2200 and TF1400 table routers. The TF2200 comes with an above-the-table crank for adjusting the height, routing guard and dual dust ports, whilst optional extras include a sliding table and extension table.   In addition to its own brochure, the TF2200 also gets a whole page in the 16-page OF2200 brochure:  Also see the page devoted to the TF2200 at http://www.festool.co.uk/artikel/artikel_weiterleiten.cfm?id=854Forrest Forrest, Now you just went and had to spill the beans and thus have created potential mass pandemonium in the U.S. NAINA group Thanks!!!!!!! (And thanks) for now maybe enough people will have enough interest in it to have it brought into the US after UL decides its safe for us. Bill |
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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2009, 12:09 AM » |
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I second that, Bill!
And thanks also, Forrest!
Tom
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« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2009, 12:21 AM » |
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Ahh Bill, I think Forrest also showed me that, but go ahead and rub it in!  I can take it. It STILL is a waste for a table and if anyone wants to come over and show me how it is any better than my 200.00 Milwaukee is welcome to do so. That router was designed to be a huge hand held router and is a waste in a table and I will stick to it! I am not so sure ads from another country should count against me anyway. There is a reason they do not sell that table set up here. Why not in America? Because we have way to many better choices for a table here in the USA? Because it is unsafe in its current set up for UL? I hesitate to say what I actually think. To me that in a table takes away from what makes the OF 2200 unique, just another 15 amp router in a table otherwise. That OF2200 is an awesome machine I think we can agree on that at least. |
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« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2009, 12:50 AM » |
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can i just add to the debate with my tuppenyworth and say that not only is it the best table-mounted router ever in the CMS / basis table setup - it is also very easy and quick to remove it, on occasions, when required and use it as a hand-held
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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2009, 12:51 AM » |
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I second that, Bill!
And thanks also, Forrest!
Tom
I third that!!! Been wanting one of those for years! Dan Clermont |
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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2009, 01:03 AM » |
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Well there you go, I use a different router for every task, no taking out a router and using it hand held for me, ever. Different strokes and all that. The OF2200 would never see a table if I owned it.
You show me why that router is any better than much less expensive routers in a table with facts and I will go buy one myself and try it. I am not convinced at all.
Maybe you need go to the router.com forum and see what the guys do with 200.00 in parts. They have router tables on there that are far and above anything you can buy, even that system at that high price.
Gasman I hope you have that router and have it on that system or you are simply busting my balls, lets see a picture I want to know you actually use it everyday . All the tools I comment on I have and I use.
If you use it everyday and feel it is the best then I will believe it and take your opinion as a good one, otherwise it means nothing to me.
Far too many guys say this or that is the best and maybe used it once or not at all. Call me an , I am, but what I say is true. If I say a tool is good its becasue I have determined that from actual use, not some cool pictures and specs. No tool affiliation either, just a user like most everyone here.
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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2009, 11:23 AM » |
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i'll post some photos this week......
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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2009, 11:37 AM » |
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Gasman, I would be interested on seeing the mounting plate (underside of the table). Cheers.
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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2009, 03:50 PM » |
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Sorry about the delay in responding I have been on call most of the last week I have taken a few photos of the OF2200 in the CMS router table, including some shots of how it is mounted under the table - you can see how easy it is to take it out. Nickao, I certainly do not take the router out of the table everytime - I too have other routers - but my other 'big' router is a Trend T11 and there is just no comparison. For example, I cut a raised panel yesterday with the OF2200 and it was so easy - I never had such confidence and felt so safe before with a 90mm cutter in a router table - it is just so solid Hope this helps Gasman      |
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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2009, 03:53 PM » |
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The other images did not appear - I will try again
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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2009, 03:56 PM » |
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Really sorry I am obviously being very thick I will do them one at a time |
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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2009, 03:57 PM » |
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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2009, 03:58 PM » |
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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2009, 03:59 PM » |
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Promise I will work on image insertion techniques! |
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« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2009, 05:32 PM » |
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Thanks, Gasman. I found the photos of the mounting system most helpful to understanding how this large router can be quickly mounted/dsmounted from the Festool table, which does seem like a sweet piece of machinery. What centers/aligns the router when mounted in the table?
Have you any comments regarding your use of the OF 2200? Any problems, issues or annoyances?
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