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Offline pettyconstruction

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Saw stop
« on: May 24, 2019, 01:42 PM »
So I have a new saw stop job site saw and it shuts off a lot.
I’m cutting poplar and feeding it fairly slow.
After turning it off and back on it works for about a foot or two of cutting.
I’m on a large cord that’s only 50’ long.
I have the stock blade if that means anything.
Is this normal?
I’m very unhappy
Literally I have run about 30’ of poplar and it has shut off on every cut.
Help. Thanks in advance,
Charlie


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Offline jonnyrocket

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2019, 01:59 PM »
I would give them a call. 503-570-3200
Their tech support is pretty good!

Offline Chris Perren

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2019, 02:08 PM »
I had a similar problem... Called SawStop and they sent me a new controller switch for free although I was outside of the warranty period ... It easy to install. All happy now  [smile]

Offline Kab

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2019, 04:15 PM »
Is the saw blade slowing down during the cut? My saw stop ICS had a similar issue and the set screw on a drive pully had come loose. The controller sensed the blade slowing down and shut the saw off.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Saw stop
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2019, 10:00 PM »
Is the saw blade slowing down during the cut? My saw stop ICS had a similar issue and the set screw on a drive pully had come loose. The controller sensed the blade slowing down and shut the saw off.
No stops completely , shut off the switch ,restart and repeat .
Very frustrating ,thanks for the help,
Charlie
Ps. I am getting a lot of scoring/burn marks also,
I made sure the blade was running true with the fence , so I am at a loss.

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« Last Edit: May 24, 2019, 10:02 PM by pettyconstruction »

Offline tdwilli1

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2019, 11:17 AM »
If you're ripping vs. crosscut I would put in a rip blade. The 40 tooth blade will burn on rip cuts sometimes.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2019, 12:53 PM »
If you're ripping vs. crosscut I would put in a rip blade. The 40 tooth blade will burn on rip cuts sometimes.
Do you have a blade recommendation?
I looking at a Teryu.
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Offline tdwilli1

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2019, 12:55 PM »

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2019, 01:15 AM »
Just a note FYI. Sawstop recommends that blades with anti kickback shoulders not be used on their saws because apparently they take longer for the Sawstop safety device to stop them. I am sure that many people use them anyway but just be aware of their warning.

Offline grbmds

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2019, 01:30 AM »
I have owned a Sawstop Jobsite for about 3 years. My saw has not ever shut off during cutting (except the one time I cut into an aluminum fence and tripped the brake). I have almost always used the Sawstop blade that came with the saw for both ripping and crosscutting; mostly ripping since I do most crosscutting with the MFT and TS55. I have ripped 1 1/2" pine, a lot of hardwood (mostly 3/4"), and some poplar (also 3/4"). Unless you are ripping 8/4 hardwood, I doubt that it's the blade unless it's just a bad blade.

Unless the blade is extremely dirty with pitch or the wood is 8/4, I'd say there is either something wrong with the controller (electronics problem?) or possibly the rip fence isn't aligned with the blade properly.

I would definitely call Sawstop. Problems like this is why they have a warranty.
Randy

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2019, 01:48 AM »
Just a note FYI. Sawstop recommends that blades with anti kickback shoulders not be used on their saws because apparently they take longer for the Sawstop safety device to stop them.

Mine is a PCS, and for ripping, I now use WWII 30 teeth. When the blade is being cleaned, I use WWII 40 teeth or SAWSTOP titanium 40 teeth. I avoid the anti- kickback blades.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2019, 06:28 PM »
Ok, saw stop update.
I had emailed the company over the weekend,explaining my saws problem,and to they’re credit,I got a call early Tuesday morning.

Dude wanted me to replicate the problem and send pix and/or a video of it.
I had just got the time today to do just that when the phone rings and it’s Micheal from saw stop.
He walks me through the code reading and has me pull the cartridge.
Turns out the thing is a demo unit and by design ,only made to run for one minute.
Got a regular cartridge coming in the mail and should be a happy camper soon.
Thanks for all the replies and help.
Charlie


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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2019, 01:01 AM »
So in my experience retailers are supposed to tell you if they are selling you a demo model and typically those units are discounted. I cannot remember if it is typically 10% or more than that. Maybe I am jumping to conclusions but If that is what happened it is not cool (in my opinion). Was the unit assembled when you received it or was it packed in original packaging?

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2019, 10:01 AM »
So in my experience retailers are supposed to tell you if they are selling you a demo model and typically those units are discounted. I cannot remember if it is typically 10% or more than that. Maybe I am jumping to conclusions but If that is what happened it is not cool (in my opinion). Was the unit assembled when you received it or was it packed in original packaging?
On the floor ,all put together.
Yep I should have tried to get a discount but it wasn’t used and looked good. Kinda to late.
I’ll try though,
Thanks,Charlie


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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2019, 11:53 AM »
@pettyconstruction

Someone posted this in another thread. I thought you might find it interesting. Start at aout 11:30 talks about the saw stop over heating ad shutting down.


Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2019, 01:57 PM »
Thanks for the post
Unfortunately my saw shut off well before that could happen.
I think ill be up and running when I get a new cartridge.
Thanks Charlie


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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2019, 04:44 PM »
@pettyconstruction - I get it but I still think that’s not too cool. If you do try I would bring up all of the trouble you had to go through with the saw until the factory informed you that it was a demo and educated you about the demo cartridge. Mama always said that a little guilt goes a long way😊. Also remember that there is a thirty day, no questions asked, return policy on Festool here in the states so you may have a little more leverage than you think that you do.
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2019, 05:38 PM »
@pettyconstruction

How is the quality of cut with the saw stop job site saw?

Is it worth the money?

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2019, 08:03 PM »
@pettyconstruction

How is the quality of cut with the saw stop job site saw?

Is it worth the money?
The jury is still out.
I had a bit more burning/scoring than I would care for.
I’m going to grab a better blade and give it another chance.
Under-impressed right now.

The burn now is that the lumber yard I got it from is no longer a dealer, so they are trying to get a replacement cartridge but I have to wait.
So I think I will start raising a stink and see what happens.
I didn’t realize the cartridge is almost $100 so getting a spare is out rt now.

The $1407 saw is under performing in my opinion, and I could have bought 3-4 Dewalt type job saws for the price.
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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2019, 09:32 PM »
I would! I would actually raise the stink on two fronts simultaneously. One at the lumber yard where you bought it and also with Sawstop Customer service. They should drop ship you a cartridge directly right away. You had no way to know their dealer status. Should not be your problem especially if they had you pay full price for a demo. I think that if you share your many concerns regarding the saw with Sawstop that they will try to get you satisfied.

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2019, 09:49 PM »
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I’m going to grab a better blade and give it another chance.
Under-impressed right now.


Definitely get a rip blade. Its 40-t combo blade is good for the hot dog test only, in my opinion. Even its Titanium blade (40-t) is not a huge upgrade compared to the WWII 40T. Recently, I started using a rip blade (WWII 30 T), and I have observed marked ripping improvements on the PCS (1.75HP).

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2019, 10:21 PM »
I would! I would actually raise the stink on two fronts simultaneously. One at the lumber yard where you bought it and also with Sawstop Customer service. They should drop ship you a cartridge directly right away. You had no way to know their dealer status. Should not be your problem especially if they had you pay full price for a demo. I think that if you share your many concerns regarding the saw with Sawstop that they will try to get you satisfied.
Yep,
Tomorrow they are going to hear from me.
I’m going to be a squeaky wheel.
I agree, I had no idea of the dealer status or buying a demo at full price.
Stay tuned,the drama will start on Friday.
Charlie


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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2019, 10:26 PM »
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I’m going to grab a better blade and give it another chance.
Under-impressed right now.


Definitely get a rip blade. Its 40-t combo blade is good for the hot dog test only, in my opinion. Even its Titanium blade (40-t) is not a huge upgrade compared to the WWII 40T. Recently, I started using a rip blade (WWII 30 T), and I have observed marked ripping improvements on the PCS (1.75HP).
I got a 20t rip blade today ( tenryu)
Report latter after the debacle is settled.
I still have to laugh at all of this, I know it will be fixed,but it’s kinda funny.
Thanks everyone for the advice.
Charlie


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Offline Alanbach

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2019, 12:07 AM »
The 20 tooth should give you a fast easy rip, hopefully with no burning. It might not give you a glue ready edge? You might need a high quality 30 tooth rip blade for that but you might not need that. Good luck tomorrow!

Offline RussellS

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2019, 11:01 AM »
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I’m going to grab a better blade and give it another chance.
Under-impressed right now.


Definitely get a rip blade. Its 40-t combo blade is good for the hot dog test only, in my opinion. Even its Titanium blade (40-t) is not a huge upgrade compared to the WWII 40T. Recently, I started using a rip blade (WWII 30 T), and I have observed marked ripping improvements on the PCS (1.75HP).

Agree on the rip blade.  One of my many mistakes, I bought a 40 tooth Systematic rip blade.  Long ago.  Its a good blade, but has too many teeth for ripping.  I'm still using it but wish I had made a better choice 25 years ago.  24 teeth seems like a good number for ripping.

Offline rmhinden

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2019, 12:00 PM »
On the topic of good ripping blades for a Sawstop, I am looking for a full kerf ripping blade for hardwood.

What's recommended?

Thanks,
Bob

Offline Cheese

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2019, 12:06 PM »
Yep,
Tomorrow they are going to hear from me.
I’m going to be a squeaky wheel.
I agree, I had no idea of the dealer status or buying a demo at full price.
Stay tuned,the drama will start on Friday.
Charlie

If this was my problem I'd certainly be a squeaky wheel.  [big grin]

Paying full price for a demo unit and then having the dealers problem become your problem.  [crying]

I'd have thought SawStop would have just 2-day air shipped you a new cartridge for your troubles. Especially being a new customer, I'd think they would just want you to be happy and enjoy your new toy. First impressions are lasting impressions.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2019, 12:18 PM »
So
Saw stop is next day air a cartridge to me.
The dealer is throwing in a blade dust shroud they have laying around and a blade. Oh and a new cartridge when it arrives.
So , 2-new cartridges and a a blade and dust shroud , that will work.
Thanks
Charlie


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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2019, 12:37 PM »
That sounds like a better ending.

SawStop has known to be good with its customer service along, though the "lumber yard" is unknown to us.

Did you know you were paying full price for a floor or display/demo unit when you closed the deal?

If so, the lumber yard's subsequent offer of the free dust shroud and extra blade (what kind?) was a good gesture.

If not, the lumber yard should have delivered you a brand new saw (without the dust shroud/extra blade), with which you would not have encountered the problems you have experienced to start with!
« Last Edit: May 31, 2019, 12:44 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2019, 01:21 PM »
Since Saw Stop is now part of the Festool family, wouldn't be a good idea to have a Saw Stop sub forum?
Mario

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2019, 03:10 PM »
That sounds like a better ending.

SawStop has known to be good with its customer service along, though the "lumber yard" is unknown to us.

Did you know you were paying full price for a floor or display/demo unit when you closed the deal?

If so, the lumber yard's subsequent offer of the free dust shroud and extra blade (what kind?) was a good gesture.

If not, the lumber yard should have delivered you a brand new saw (without the dust shroud/extra blade), with which you would not have encountered the problems you have experienced to start with!
I did not know it was a demo
Thanks Charlie


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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2019, 04:31 PM »
Festool and Sawstop are both owned by the same company, but Sawstop is being handled as a separate company.  I asked the question about subforms once I heard the news and again with the acquisition of Shaper.  (Shaper is independent also.)  Both of those tools have a community as far as I know and to create an expectation that those companies would monitor or answer here would probably not be realistic at this point.  I don't see it happening.

Of course, all things are subject to change.

Peter

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2019, 06:10 PM »
That sounds like a better ending.

SawStop has known to be good with its customer service along, though the "lumber yard" is unknown to us.

Did you know you were paying full price for a floor or display/demo unit when you closed the deal?

If so, the lumber yard's subsequent offer of the free dust shroud and extra blade (what kind?) was a good gesture.

If not, the lumber yard should have delivered you a brand new saw (without the dust shroud/extra blade), with which you would not have encountered the problems you have experienced to start with!

This is the shroud ,
Should work well,with the port out the back.
Charlie



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Offline ChuckM

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2019, 07:14 PM »
Snip.

... to create an expectation that those companies would monitor or answer here would probably not be realistic at this point.  I don't see it happening.

Peter

I don't feel or see that the OP or anyone on this thread was making or having that expectation. Others did make some good suggestions to the OP such as contacting the seller and SawStop direct about his problems. This SawStop discussion has gone on just like any other non-Festool brand.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2019, 07:16 PM by ChuckM »

Offline rmhinden

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2019, 07:46 PM »
Since Saw Stop is now part of the Festool family, wouldn't be a good idea to have a Saw Stop sub forum?

I think so, especially since I just purchased a PCS and I think there are a lot of sawstop owners on the FOG.

Bob

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2019, 09:07 PM »
I own and greatly enjoy using a SawStop Industrial saw and a bunch of Festool products.

I can’t imagine enough SawStop issues that would populate a separate forum.
Birdhunter

Offline LooseSox

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2019, 11:07 PM »
@pettyconstruction

I've got the saw stop jss and that overhead guard. I use the Festool cms split hose with an adapter with the 36mm end to the 2.25" port on the back amd the 27mm end goes straight into the guard. Almost dust free cutting of mdf!

Offline Peter_C

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2019, 01:53 AM »
Curious what lumber yard? At least you are being taken care of.

Offline Alanbach

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2019, 09:54 AM »
@rmhinden - I have two dedicated rip blades. Both are Forrest Woodworker II’s. One is their 20 tooth rip blade. It is fast, doesn’t burn, but the finish it leaves is not always glue seam ready. I use it for really thick hardwoods over 2.5-3” thick. The other is also a Forrest Woodworker II but it is their 30 tooth rip blade. A little slower but it produces beautiful glue ready edges that don’t need to go back over a jointer or be dressed in any way. That is my go to rip blade. I make a decent amount of end grain cutting boards so not having to joint the pieces after ripping to width has been a real step forward for me. I love the 30 tooth WWII.

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2019, 10:23 AM »
I used a friends Saw Stop cabinet saw when I was last in the states, I don’t know exactly what model it was, he said it was the top of the range model? It was a lovely machine, I’d love one in my main workshop.

I hope one day we’ll be able to buy them over here.

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2019, 02:01 PM »
The top of the SawStop line is the Industrial model. I own one and it is an amazing machine.
Birdhunter

Offline ChuckM

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2019, 03:05 PM »
No other cabinet saws can match the SawStop in dust collection (when both the dust shroud and 4" dust port are used properly). Unless I am making edge cuts, I don't need a dust mask, not even when ripping MDF.

This morning, I edge-ripped/jointed walnut and spruce with the WWII 30-T. Day and night compared to the WWII 40-T when ripping the walnut.

« Last Edit: June 01, 2019, 03:13 PM by ChuckM »

Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2019, 03:51 PM »
@Birdhunter and @ChuckM You chaps are so lucky. We have a couple of decent saws, and they’ve served us well. I’d buy a Saw Stop in a heartbeat though.

I believe my friends saw is the industrial, how smooth are they!  [thumbs up]

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2019, 04:31 PM »
I run a Forrest blade on my Industrial SawStop and there is absolutely no vibration. Mine is a 52” 3HP model. There are 5hp and 7.5hp models. I cut some thick hardwoods and have never heard the saw slow down.

Even without the safety feature, I’d buy the saw. It is an amazing saw.
Birdhunter

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2019, 09:10 PM »
Curious what lumber yard? At least you are being taken care of.
I don’t think naming the store will help,
but what a great thread this has been. A true wealth of information .
Thanks everyone for the help and comments ,
Keep em coming.
Thanks again,Charlie


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Offline Peter_C

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2019, 12:30 AM »
Curious what lumber yard? At least you are being taken care of.
I don’t think naming the store will help,
but what a great thread this has been. A true wealth of information .
Thanks everyone for the help and comments ,
Keep em coming.
Thanks again,Charlie


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I would have considered it a positive not a negative as they took care of you. There are only so many lumber yards around, especially ones that sell high end tools.

Offline JimD

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2019, 09:14 PM »
Coming in a bit late on this but I have a couple comments.

I have a 1.75hp PCS.  I think the motor is about the same, maybe exactly the same as the jobsite saw.  I have had it trip once due to getting too hot.  I was cutting 1 inch oak (a stair tread I was recycling) and the wood was pinching the blade on the back side because the splitter is too small IMHO for a full kerf blade.  I was using a 50 tooth Infinity all around blade (40 ATB, 10 rakers).  The splitter thickness is the same as the center of the blade (2.3mm or about 0.090 inch).  I would like to have a .1 inch riving knife but haven't found a source. 

That doesn't sound like the OP's issue, however.

I also have a 24 tooth Infinity ripping blade and a Freud 24 tooth ripping blade.  Either would have been better suited to what I was doing.  But the 50 tooth should have been able to handle 1 inch oak.  And it did except for that piece. 

Underpowered saws can be a bit touchy.  Under powered seems to be anything less than 3hp.  But with everything right, I have made a lot of sawdust with 15A table saws.  Including 3+ inch rips in hardwood.

Offline Steven in Iowa

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Re: Saw stop
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2019, 06:38 PM »
I know the SawStops have a feature that will shut it off if the moisture level is too high so it won't have a kickback.
Rookie to be sure!