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Offline ThReM

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Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« on: March 01, 2016, 06:01 AM »
Hi everyone.

I want buy a new screwdrivers, the Festool C18. I've a CXS and love the "C Form".

I've a doubt for the power off this machine. On Festool's website, there is 27/45 Nm max torque for C18 and 35/50 Nm max torque for T18+3.

T18+3 is really more powerfull than C 18. I thought it was the same machines except the form ?

Thank's for help me !
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Offline mrB

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 07:14 AM »
I believe the C18 has a slightly sorter motor than the t18 hence the slight difference in power.

Also I love my CXS but hate the C18 form factor. The CXS feels so right in the hand, like an extension of your hand. But the C18 is so much heavier that i think it feels unwieldy. It feels front heavy and a bit of a strain.  I chose the T18 and find it far more comfortable than the C18. Your grip on the T18 is under the motor rather than behind it creating a more balanced feel.
 Also that much power in the C-Drill form is harder on the wrist as your grip has less leverage against the torque of the drill. Also with your hand behind the motor it is actually less able to fit in tight spaces.

Like I say I LOVE the CXS but don't feel the c18 balances as well.

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« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 07:16 AM by mrB »
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Offline ChrisK1970

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 08:00 AM »
Like MrB, I've got the CXS. Hands down my favorite drill. I had the C15 and hated the grip and switched to the T18. My second favorite drill hands down! My favorite 18v period.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 08:15 AM »
I like the C handles for control .. currently have CXS, C15, C18.

T hands for "construction" ... PDC18-4. The extra hand is good if you're using low speed and cutting a big hole, etc.

Offline yetihunter

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2016, 02:30 AM »
T-18 over the C-18, all the way. 
The dials and switches are in a better location.
The ergonomics are way better. 

Offline ThReM

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 04:56 AM »
Thanks all for feedback.

I think i will choose T18+3, but i still have a doubt : should i choose the PDC ?

More powerfull, same weight (100 g more for PDC).
Hard choice for me.

Help !
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Offline mrB

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 05:18 AM »
I'm very surprised the PDC is only 100g more than the T18. Are you sure? The T18 feels much lighter in use than the PDC. .
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Offline ThReM

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 06:20 AM »
I'm very surprised the PDC is only 100g more than the T18. Are you sure? The T18 feels much lighter in use than the PDC. .

oups, I was wrong, from Festool's website :

- T18+3 = 1,7 kg
- DRC = 1,8 kg
- PDC = 1,9 kg

The T18 is 200g lighter, and surely more balanced ?
I will try to take them in hand at my local dealer.

Actually i use most often the CXS. The T18/PDC will be used at 20% off time. The weight is not really the problem. I'm just lost for choose :-(
CXS Li 2,6 Set + PDC 18/4 Li 5,2-Set/XL + Centrotec SYS1 CE SORT | BHC 18 + D27-BSD | TS-55 R-EBQ + FS SYS/2 | OF 1400 + SYS OF | PS 420 EBQ Set + ZH-SYS-PS 420 | CTM 36 E AC + Kit Artisan + CT Wings | EHL 65 EQ-Plus | Planex LHS 225 EQ-Plus/IP + SYS-STF D225 | DSC-AG 125 Plus-FS | DSC-AG 125 FH | SYSLITE KAL II - Set | SysRock BR-10 | MFT/3 + accessoiries | Some Systainer & Sys-Roll & Sys-Cart | Mirka Deros 5650 CV + Mirka SYS3 for abrasives | Fein Multimaster 350 Systainer Edition

Offline SoonerFan

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2016, 10:10 AM »
I have a T18+3 a CXS and a Dewalt Impact Driver.  CXS gets the most use by far.  The T18+3 is great and the different chuck options are terrific.  The form factor of the CXS is great but I am happy the the T factor for the heavier drill.  I considered the more powerful Festool drills but in the end went with the T18 and kept the Dewalt which I use occasionally.

Offline Staniam

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2016, 12:25 PM »
I'm very surprised the PDC is only 100g more than the T18. Are you sure? The T18 feels much lighter in use than the PDC. .

oups, I was wrong, from Festool's website :

- T18+3 = 1,7 kg
- DRC = 1,8 kg
- PDC = 1,9 kg

The T18 is 200g lighter, and surely more balanced ?
I will try to take them in hand at my local dealer.

Actually i use most often the CXS. The T18/PDC will be used at 20% off time. The weight is not really the problem. I'm just lost for choose :-(

Having owned the T18, C18 and now currently the PDC I can tell you first hand that the difference in weight between the PDC and T18 is negligible. I'm still shocked at how light the PDC is every time I pick it up. And compact for a hammer drill. Slap a 2.6ah battery on it and it's even lighter.

Oh and the CXS is awesome too. I picked that up first along with the Bosch ps32. Usually whichever is closer.
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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2016, 11:26 PM »
I agree,,i had a chance to hold the pdc today, and was surprised at how light it was.
All of the things I read said it was a beast to hold, but I didn't have that feeling.

I didn't have a chance to hold the t-18 that I went in to see, but was happy with what I did find out.
I am a bit more confused now though.
T-18 or pic. Same price point, same battery platform.
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Offline yetihunter

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 07:58 PM »
I'd pick the one that feels best in your hands. 

Offline ThReM

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2016, 05:55 AM »
I'd pick the one that feels best in your hands.

Yep.

I took in hands the T18+3, the PDC, but not the C18.

The T18+3 and PDC are similar in my opinion. The PDC is a little heavier, but the balance is the same.

I think buying the PDC , which is more versatile.

Thank's all for answers !
CXS Li 2,6 Set + PDC 18/4 Li 5,2-Set/XL + Centrotec SYS1 CE SORT | BHC 18 + D27-BSD | TS-55 R-EBQ + FS SYS/2 | OF 1400 + SYS OF | PS 420 EBQ Set + ZH-SYS-PS 420 | CTM 36 E AC + Kit Artisan + CT Wings | EHL 65 EQ-Plus | Planex LHS 225 EQ-Plus/IP + SYS-STF D225 | DSC-AG 125 Plus-FS | DSC-AG 125 FH | SYSLITE KAL II - Set | SysRock BR-10 | MFT/3 + accessoiries | Some Systainer & Sys-Roll & Sys-Cart | Mirka Deros 5650 CV + Mirka SYS3 for abrasives | Fein Multimaster 350 Systainer Edition

Offline Osweezea

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2017, 09:57 AM »
Im sure some may know but some may not. 

I just had a festool rep do a demo for me, and the t18 has the available eccentric chuck

The PDC does not have an eccentric chuck available.  Only the right angle attachment

Hmmmm.......Decisions decisions

Offline kdzito

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2017, 11:37 AM »
I have the T18 and CXS.  I tried the C18 and felt the balance is off.  Too many years of using the T style drills and my muscle memory doesn't want to change so easily.
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Offline leakyroof

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Re: Screw : C18 or T18 + 3
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2017, 11:53 AM »
Im sure some may know but some may not. 

I just had a festool rep do a demo for me, and the t18 has the available eccentric chuck

The PDC does not have an eccentric chuck available.  Only the right angle attachment

Hmmmm.......Decisions decisions
  Yeah, I always wondered if that was due to the higher speed that the PDC can reach versus the other drills. Maybe the eccentric chuck isn't rated to spin that fast?
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