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Offline bwehman

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If you intend on using dust collection, is there a logical reason to buy the Carvex I'm totally missing? Or are all the people buying a cordless Carvex not using DC?

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Online duburban

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 10:44 PM »
these days i'm trying to buy the majority of my tools cordless. it just makes working faster. are you a professional? makes a big difference.
helper: i used a festool "circular saw" to do something simple and it made it really hard

me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 10:47 PM »
I just got a carvex , probably won’t use dust extraction unless I use it upside down.
I have a Trion D handle also with  a Collins coping foot , but wanted a barrel grip one.
Using DE on the Trion was a PITA , so I don’t.
Love the cordless jig saw btw.
Charlie


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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 10:49 PM »
these days i'm trying to buy the majority of my tools cordless. it just makes working faster. are you a professional? makes a big difference.
I am also trying for all cordless.
Just finished my 2nd full house build using all cordless saws and only a electric compressor .
Used the Makita 18v saw.
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Online Cheese

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 10:55 PM »
Sometimes it’s just more convenient to use a cordless tool...with or without dust collection.

This dust collection thing has really only been a talking point for the last 15 years or so.  Before that, few gave a rip.

To cut out soffit vents outside, upside down, on the end of a 24 foot ladder is dust collection really your first concern?  [smile]  I know it’s not mine, I’m more results oriented than that.  [big grin]

Offline RKA

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2019, 10:56 PM »
I use the dust extractor when I can, but sometimes it gets in the way or I’m outside and it’s not worth dragging out the DE for 50% collection. 
-Raj

Online DeformedTree

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 12:18 AM »
I'm now having to get used to cords again as I have bought some Festool tools.  Almost all my tools pre-festool were cordless, which replaced my previous corded tools. Of course they also don't have dust collection.   I like cordless stuff, but I haven't seen what looks like a solid "we aren't going to change things" mode from Festool when it comes to batteries.  I don't have that concern with my M18 tools.

With dust collection, the addition of the cord isn't that big of a deal, you have to deal with the hose as is.  But for sure, things would be simpler if cordless.  Things do get a bit tangled up if switching around, or say you are switching from tool to vacuuming mode a lot.

One of the big things is when you use a non-plug-it tool.  I was using my planer with my CT, which worked great, so much better than holding a shop vac sloppy in the hole and hoping you remembered to turn the vac on.  But I was also using my Rotex too on the same task.  Switching became a PITA because the planer isn't plug it.  I may concerned modifying it.   Cordless would have made this easier.  But non-festool stuff isn't going to have an auto bluetooth function for the vac, and both tools probably won't run very long as battery tools.

I think I might consider a boom for the CT, which then would again lessen issues of the cord.  For now clamp spanning floor joist with hose-cord looped over does the job just as well.

If you are heavy festool tool user, such as a pro,  I can see the battery tools making more sense.  But since most of them are going to be intermittent usage tools for me (my M18 tools aren't going anyplace), there would be just a couple batteries laying around for long periods of time. 

If you intend to own a lot of drills and such from Festool, batteries could make more sense. But right now it would be basically 1 circular saw for me, and on top of that mean I couldn't get a CMS TS module for it.

Far as jig saws, I own corded and cordless versions (non-festool).  Both re-enforce my belief that a jigsaw is a tool of last resort. When I do use them, dust is an issue, as they tend to get used in awkward places, tight places and dust just blocks the line or falls down into my eyes.  So I'd want dust collection on one.

I want everything to have great dust collection, so the hose will always be there.  With a corded tool, it can sit on a shelf for 1-2years (or 20-30 years) and I know it will turn on.  With a battery tool, it could be a brick if left on a shelf for a few years.

Offline demographic

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 04:31 AM »
For my work the majority of the work I do with a jigsaw is just cutting the odd shaped hole out and not very often so I really cant be done with setting up cables just for a couple of cuts, maybe the biggest thing I'll do with one is a sink cutout.
Unless I end up working in a workshop (Heaven forbid, I can't stand being stuck in a workshop month in month out) I doubt I'll ever buy another corded jigsaw again.

I still have a Metabo corded jigsaw but I guess thats out of the van now and will only get used if my van gets broken into till I get another cordless one.

For me the problem on many sites is that I would like something akin to De-Walts battery powered power station thing, for an inovative company, Festool seem to have missed the boat on that one.
A lot of the sites I'm working on as a subcontractor are lets say... variable... as to what power is supplied and how.
Some have 110 volt cables from the mains all clipped nicely up (McAlpine) and one nightmare dump I was on had generators clattering away all day and over worked cables running through 50 metres of mud, no site lights unless we provided them and they kept removing the scaffolding too soon (mentioning no names Thomas Armstrong construction).
Having a portable 110 volt power supply thats not a generator means its quieter, less fumes, I don't have to deal with petrol to refuel it and it can be in the building I'm working in and it can power the extractor.

Offline Alex

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 05:12 AM »
Nice thing about a jigsaw is you can always take it anywhere because it is small, and making it cordless only makes that easier.

I find dust collection on a jigsaw is cumbersome, with the dust shroud installed your vision of the saw line is greatly impared, so I never use it.

Offline JD2720

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 06:19 AM »
That is why I carry both cordless & corded in my work truck. The cordless for the convenience of not having to deal with a cord & the corded for times I need dust collection.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2019, 06:40 AM »
I heard that hoseless dust collection is the next big thing.  [big grin]

When that happens cordless tool sales will really take off.
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Offline RJNeal

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2019, 10:23 PM »
I had a corded triton but wanted to upgrade to a carvex. Decided to get a cordless for the ease and I hardly put much time on a jig saw and the batteries last a lot longer on cut time.
I don’t use dust collection much on a jig saw.
Rick.
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Online DeformedTree

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2019, 02:09 AM »
I heard that hoseless dust collection is the next big thing.  [big grin]

When that happens cordless tool sales will really take off.

They just need to make a battery powered CT, attach that to the tool.  Would be "cordless" And let you have dust collection anyplace.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2019, 05:35 PM »
I heard that hoseless dust collection is the next big thing.  [big grin]

When that happens cordless tool sales will really take off.

They just need to make a battery powered CT, attach that to the tool.  Would be "cordless" And let you have dust collection anyplace.
If I had to guess,that will be coming.
I also would like a cordless ct , something like a sys-vac would be ok. Or a Midi/Mini size.
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Offline Coen

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2019, 05:59 PM »
18V dust extrators already exist....

Other than that; I can imagine some have a use for it, I personally don't want to bother with the batteries and alternative way to trigger the dust extractor. So I buy the corded versions. They are also lighter.  [smile]

Offline rst

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 05:59 PM »
My corded Carvex lives in my shop along with my ancient Bosch, and my corded Fein Supercut.  My cordless version of each lives in my van.

Offline bwehman

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2019, 06:10 PM »
See, a cordless Vecturo makes sense to me, because it's doesn't have DC anyway (although it looks like that's changing soon...). IDK, I guess the take away is that those who buy a cordless saw tend to not use DC. Right? In which case, perfectly logical to me.

Offline Coen

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2019, 10:24 PM »
See, a cordless Vecturo makes sense to me, because it's doesn't have DC anyway (although it looks like that's changing soon...). IDK, I guess the take away is that those who buy a cordless saw tend to not use DC. Right? In which case, perfectly logical to me.

From what I see, the Vecturo is completely history. It's been completely scrubbed from Festool's website. I guess that after removing the Plug-It cord and Fein offering it's machine in a Systainer there was just too few sales.

Online Cheese

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2019, 10:58 PM »
Hmmm...maybe not, this is a recent photo. Notice the hose, the blue tooth and the battery pack.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsnJGaqghuh/
« Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 11:00 PM by Cheese »

Offline Coen

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 01:10 AM »
Hmmm...maybe not, this is a recent photo. Notice the hose, the blue tooth and the battery pack.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsnJGaqghuh/

Hmm oke. Still makes me wonder why they seem to have given up on the corded Vecturo.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 10:47 AM »
Effective dust collection on jig saws that doesn’t impede maneuverability is a pipe dream.

I switched to barrel grip and cutting from underneath.

Cordless is best for maneuvering.

Online Cheese

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 12:14 PM »
Still makes me wonder why they seem to have given up on the corded Vecturo.

The corded Vecturo is still part of their 2019 product line. It just no longer has a Plug-It power cord.
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Online duburban

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 12:54 PM »
Effective dust collection on jig saws that doesn’t impede maneuverability is a pipe dream.

I switched to barrel grip and cutting from underneath.

Cordless is best for maneuvering.

and visibility. the dust shroud on the jigsaw is cool but it would have to be made from precision optic glass and have LEDs inside
helper: i used a festool "circular saw" to do something simple and it made it really hard

me: exactly, it makes simple cuts complicated and complicated cuts simple

Offline Coen

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 05:25 PM »
Still makes me wonder why they seem to have given up on the corded Vecturo.

The corded Vecturo is still part of their 2019 product line. It just no longer has a Plug-It power cord.

The word 'vecturo' does not occur once in the Dutch 438 page 2019 Festool catalog (PDF). Neither do it's associated numbers 575351 and 575352. The headers can still be found on both Dutch an German Festool websites, but clicking them will redirect to a general product categories overview page.

The product pages have also been removed from most dealer webshops. To me that's a pretty solid indicator it's gone down the memory hole.

The accessory systainer with a set of blades was also sold at rockbottom pricing last year.

Online Cheese

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Re: Stupid question time! Why would you buy a cordless Carvex?
« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 09:25 PM »
The word 'vecturo' does not occur once in the Dutch 438 page 2019 Festool catalog (PDF). Neither do it's associated numbers 575351 and 575352. The headers can still be found on both Dutch an German Festool websites, but clicking them will redirect to a general product categories overview page.

The product pages have also been removed from most dealer webshops. To me that's a pretty solid indicator it's gone down the memory hole.


Well, quoting directly from Festool's pdf of their current 2019 product line, for the OS 400 they list these options:
US 120V...575357 & 575358
GB 240V...575353 & 575354
?? 230V...575351 & 575352

The cordless versions all have a prefix of OSC not OS.

Here's the 575357;
https://www.bobmarinosbesttools.com/product.asp?pn=575357

Here's the 575353:
https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Festool-Os400-Eq-Plus-4014549198643-240V-Vecturo-Oscillating-Multifunction-Tool

And here's the 575351:
https://www.toolnation.nl/festool-575351-vecturo-os-400-e-plus-oscillerende-multitool-5-jaar-dealer-garantie.html

That's all i know...

Offline Coen

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Yes, some still have old stock. What pdf are you quoting from?

Offline Bob D.

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OK, I was making a funny, or so I thought.

I said hoseless, meaning no hose between the tool and the vac. So 100% of the dust would miraculously be transported from the tool to the vac. An impossibility today but maybe in the 24th century. :-)
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Offline Coen

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Yes, some still have old stock. What pdf are you quoting from?

See reply #26 from this thread.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/new-tools-for-2019-including-ctm-midi-and-kapex-updates-among-others/180/

You mean reply #25? Ah ok. But that's a PDF that says 21 september 2018. The source is now also offline.