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Offline Birdhunter

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Super Dogs
« on: October 31, 2017, 08:20 AM »
I received my shipment of 2 Superdogs from Axminster in the U.K. I had watched Peter’s video on the new product and was impressed.

Having received the Super Dogs, I am even more impressed. The design and machining of the product is excellent. They are rock steady once inserted into the MFT hole and tightened. I bought the hole chamfer tool and advise getting it. The chamfer tool creates a slight chamfer to the MFT hole which allows the Super Dog to nestle perfectly flush with the MFT top and perfectly centered. The product works well without the chamfer, but better with it.

This is an excellent product and easy to buy from Axminster. The package arrived about a week after I placed to order.

The only improvement I would suggest is adding a couple of extra  O Rings in the packaging.
Birdhunter

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Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 11:07 AM »
Received mine this morning. Superb quality and brilliant design. The o-rings are such a simple and perfect solution to getting the dogs tight as can be. I also got the rail clips, along with the super dogs, my custom table from last year is as accurate and fast to use now.

I didn't get the chamfer tool. I figure if I want to try that, a chamfer router bit set a 1/16" or so will do the job.

The super dogs are the best around. Rock solid with the rail clips.





« Last Edit: October 31, 2017, 03:53 PM by bnaboatbuilder »
- John

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 05:52 PM »
I wish I had known about the clips when I ordered the Super Dogs.
Birdhunter

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 06:25 PM »
TSO also carries the clips.

I wish I had known about the clips when I ordered the Super Dogs.
- John

Offline TSO Products

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 06:54 PM »
before using the clips,make sure you've seen the method of engaging the Dog on our website video.
https://tsoproducts.com/workholding-accessories/dog-rail-clips/

Don't "open' the Clip -  instead loop it "Over" the Dog with the rail tilted - makes all the difference.
Enjoy!

Hans
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Home of the GRS-16 and GRS-16 PE Guide Rail Squares -  the MTR-18 Triangle and Work Holding solutions

Offline VeloWood

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 05:13 PM »
I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.  Still get fairly accurate cuts, but not real excited about the the little bit of play the Parf Dogs have.

So I came across the TSO webisite just last night and ended up ordering the guide square this morning.

I had to crosscut 4' sheet goods this weekend and my table is only 3' wide so I was left to measure and mark to get square cuts, so that's the reason I ordered the square.

I love the design of the Super Dogs, but if one were to have the guide square, would you ever use the dogs?

I just about ordered the Super Dogs this morning, but I didn't think I would go back to that method with having the square (in a few days time)

Is there an instance I'm not thinking about where I would need to use the dog method since I will now have the square?


Offline grobkuschelig

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 05:30 PM »
I have both, an early TSO Square and also the Veritas Dogs with the Rail clips. (Mine fit tight into the MFT holes!)

I like both.
If I have to cut more pieces and also especially smaller stuff or miters (45°) I will use the dogs and clips. It is just quicker and less of a hassle.
But for the odd and quick „one square cut“ nothing beats the TSO Square, in my experience...

Offline geoffshep

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 04:52 AM »
I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.

Do you secure the parf dogs, or just place them in the holes?  They shouldn't move if you use a threaded knob in them from under the table top.

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 09:37 AM »
Veritas Parf dogs are 19.88mm last time I checked with multiple very accurate micrometers. That is too small. They should be 19.96mm at least. The new Super Dogs, I'm measuring 19.97mm. They fit tight and with the o-rings tightened down fit even better, rock solid, they don't budge, I can move my table by trying to move them.

The standard Veritas Parf dogs need to be larger diameter. Not all tables have access underneath to screw into the dogs, more and more custom tables exist now.

I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.

Do you secure the parf dogs, or just place them in the holes?  They shouldn't move if you use a threaded knob in them from under the table top.
- John

Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 09:46 AM »
I break down full sheets outside then bring the cuts into the shop. So outside I do crosscuts with the Insta-Rail Square that Tool Nut sells and it exceeds all expectations. When I am in the shop on my custom table I gladly use the super dogs now with the rail clips. I don't see things in black and white, situations exist where different tools expedite tasks.

I've been using the Parf Dogs from Veritas.  Mine actually measure at 19.8 mm and when placing the guide rail against the dogs they do move slightly out of plumb.  Still get fairly accurate cuts, but not real excited about the the little bit of play the Parf Dogs have.

So I came across the TSO webisite just last night and ended up ordering the guide square this morning.

I had to crosscut 4' sheet goods this weekend and my table is only 3' wide so I was left to measure and mark to get square cuts, so that's the reason I ordered the square.

I love the design of the Super Dogs, but if one were to have the guide square, would you ever use the dogs?

I just about ordered the Super Dogs this morning, but I didn't think I would go back to that method with having the square (in a few days time)

Is there an instance I'm not thinking about where I would need to use the dog method since I will now have the square?
« Last Edit: November 07, 2017, 10:08 AM by bnaboatbuilder »
- John

Offline VeloWood

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 11:02 AM »
I have not been using any knobs from underneath to tighten them down.  Should have been I guess.

I re-checked my parf dogs last night.  19.82

So I guess knobs or super dogs.  Thinking the super dogs.  I did think of a couple instances where the dogs would be beneficial over just the square and track.

Thanks for the ideas!

Offline nms

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Re: Super Dogs
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 08:41 AM »
If these are no more accurate than the TSO tall togs with knobs I'd rather stick to that route for half the cost and the lighter weight.

It's a cool product though which will definitely be the better choice in workshops where knob access underneath is inconvenient or more frequent position changes are needed.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2017, 08:46 AM by nms »