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Offline Ripit

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2018, 05:45 PM »
There is another thread where the poster is contemplating between a TS55 and a TS75. A couple replies mentioned a “deal breaker” being the weight difference from the smaller machine to the bigger one. IF someone has the option of getting the larger unit that has larger cutting/Mortising ability why wouldn’t you take that option?  Im that example the TS75 can do everything the TS55 (cutting) and then some.   

Same thing here, with the adapter the 700 can do everything (minus the super small dominoes) and then some.  So weight is brought in.  We aren’t talking 10, 20, or 100 lb here.  If a pound or two is a “deal breaker” for a tool that really expands your options maybe one should shorten their work shop time and hit the gym.    [big grin]

When available I always go for the tool that has wider capabilities because you will inevitably wish you had so at some time in the future.

But the 700 can plow mortises for the smallest dominos when fitted with the 4mm cutter - all one needs is to do is snap or slide a 3mm standoff/stop (cut from the original shipping plug is ideal) onto one of the plunge rods (to artificially limit the plunge depth to 12mm when set to on the 15 mm setting.)

@TinyShop
Humm, so have you been doing this? If so for how long? No issues? So could the other df500 cutters be used for 50mm and under applications or would you need the longer cutters.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2018, 08:13 PM by Ripit »

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Offline Rudymejia12

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2018, 07:39 PM »
I vote 700 with adapter. Also you can use the domino connector with the 700 only.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2018, 10:32 PM »
@Ripit - I'm not sure I understand your question. Regarding my experience, however, I use the machine regularly and have not experienced any problems (aside from the fence being badly warped out of the box, a quality control problem that Festool resolved promptly).

Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2018, 09:54 AM »
To set the stage for my comment at this point, I recently bought the 700 and acquired the Seneca adapter to allow for the occasional need for smaller domino work. Most of what I intend to use the Domino tool for is likely going to use the larger size dominos, however. The thought I want to leave is that if someone is going to use the smaller dominos a lot, then having the smaller tool is likely a good choice over using the larger machine with the adapter. The same is true in the other direction. And if someone is going to be using both ranges of domino tenons, then having both machines is also a good idea. I chose the larger for primary use with the convenience of the adapter to occasionally "go small". If, for some reason, I find myself gravitating to using a larger quantity of 4mm/5mm/6mm dominos, then I'll strongly consider obtaining the 500 to do that work since it will be easier to handle.
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Offline Steven Owen

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2018, 12:47 AM »
I’m glad to here everyone confirming the quality of the Seneca adaptor for the DF700.  It was the way I want to go for my needs.  Unless you’re a business, one Domino machine is already a huge investment for a home user.
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Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2018, 07:33 AM »
I never mentioned gettin both because doing so would set someone back almost $3000...that’s not ideal in my opinion unless you are a good sized company.   

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2018, 03:12 PM »
I never mentioned gettin both because doing so would set someone back almost $3000...that’s not ideal in my opinion unless you are a good sized company.

That’s the life of being a home shop.  You need to make decisions that make sense for a home shop budget.  There’s always another tool you need to budget for down the road.
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Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2018, 04:19 AM »
Apples to oranges...Big difference betweeen two hammers and two machines costing over $2500! 

Offline Bullhorn

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2018, 05:11 PM »
Quote
So by that logic, the only hammer to own is a 32 oz framing hammer.  You can drive 16 penny spikes with it AND nail 4 penny finishing nails with it.  Does all nailing jobs.  NO reason at all to own a 16 oz or lighter hammer for finishing.  ALL finishers should only own and use big framing hammers.  No finish carpenter should own a finishing hammer, only framing hammer.  Yep, very logical.  And the only pick-up to own is a crew cab dually with turbo diesel.  It can do everything a half ton short box pick-up can do.  Its the only choice.

Hmm. Some of us can't afford a fleet of trucks, no matter how much we might enjoy their various and disparate capabilities.

Using your analogy, it seems more practical to put small loads in a big truck, using a box or bed divider, than to haul big loads in a small truck.

I can hitch a trailer to our Subaru to haul big loads. There isn't a comparable option for knocking out bigger loose tenons with a DF500.

Get the big truck to haul all your load sizes, unless you have a large garage and the budget to match.

As for hammers, you can never have too many of those.  [smile]

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2018, 07:01 PM »
Choosing to use the 700 for everything is really a matter of budget.  Outside of the Us and Germany, Domino’s are insanely expensive tools. 

It the perfect world it would be nice to own both.  In reality, it’s a really not with in many people’s  budgets to own both the 500 -700.
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Offline Svar

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2018, 07:26 PM »
Outside of the Us and Germany, Domino’s are insanely expensive tools. 
Where do you get this? Prices in Euros at current rate of DF 500 Q-plus:
US - 818
CA - 861,
UK - 918,
DE - 949,
NL - 982,
AU - 1012
It's roughly 900 +/-10% worldwide.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2018, 07:38 PM by Svar »

Offline Steven Owen

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2018, 09:34 PM »
Outside of the Us and Germany, Domino’s are insanely expensive tools. 
Where do you get this? Prices in Euros at current rate of DF 500 Q-plus:
US - 818
CA - 861,
UK - 918,
DE - 949,
NL - 982,
AU - 1012
It's roughly 900 +/-10% worldwide.

We pay $2000 CAD for a DF 700 and $1500 CAD for the DF 500.  Domino’s are a pretty penny.  The Seneca adapter is a godsend for many people at those prices.  All you need to buy so the DF 700. 
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Offline Svar

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2018, 10:15 PM »
Outside of the Us and Germany, Domino’s are insanely expensive tools. 
Where do you get this? Prices in Euros at current rate of DF 500 Q-plus:
US - 818
CA - 861,
UK - 918,
DE - 949,
NL - 982,
AU - 1012
It's roughly 900 +/-10% worldwide.
We pay $2000 CAD for a DF 700 and $1500 CAD for the DF 500.  Domino’s are a pretty penny.  The Seneca adapter is a godsend for many people at those prices.  All you need to buy so the DF 700.
My point is US and Canadian prices are nearly the same (5% difference).

Offline Motor

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2018, 07:34 AM »
Hello all,  I do mostly cabinets and small furniture.  I have been told that the domino 500 is the better tool for me between the two.  Who out there has used both the 500 and 700 as well as the 700 with the seneca bit adapter?  If so,  is getting the 700 with the seneca adapter and 500 cutters the better route to take.  I am planning to make doors and larger items and just don't want to buy the 500 and wish I had bought the 700 instead.  I can only buy one so I want to choose right.  Is the 700 much harder to handle or burdensome to handle with the smaller material,  or is it so well balanced and smooth that it is not that big of a difference from the 500?  I would greatly appreciate all comments and thoughts on the two.

I just went through this process (check out my recent thread on the 700). I just used the 700 for the first time yesterday. While it is heavier than the 500, it is ergonomically superior. There are a couple things that I like better on the 700 as well. I used it for a 3/4" face frame. If I ever decide to make knock down cabinets then I will buy the 500 connector set.

 That said, I never used the 500. Just took it out of the box and decided it wasn't what I needed. (I don't do much work on materials under 3/4".)

Offline rmhinden

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2018, 11:52 AM »
I have a Domino 700 XL and the Seneca Small Mortise kit.   Plus the 4, 5, and 6mm 500 bits and matching sized dominos.   

Overall I have been happy with this combination and have used it on 3/4" and 1/2" plywood.   I like the ergonomics of the 700, the preset depth of cut limits, and that you can change the mortise width with the machine off.   It is hefty, but the 500 isn't a featherweight either.   Also, the larger Systainer has storage for dominos and/or extra bits and adapters.  I store the 700 in the Systainer with the Seneca plate installed, it's a little tight but works.

One issue I have had with this setup is the preset depth of the mortice doesn't match the domino when using a shallow depth mortice using the 500 bits in the face of a board.  I solved this by making a spacer out of PVC tubing.  This is described in the 500 supplemental manual, but works fine for the 700 XL.  Took a while to get the right length, but works fine.   I talked to Ryan at Seneca who suggested this idea.   Great support from Seneca.

With the Seneca adapter on the machine, it introduces some possible parallax error using the sight gauge.   I get around that by using the line etched on the domino instead.   Works fine for me.

Overall this combination works for me.   
Bob