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Offline ayhanmecit

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Hello all,  I do mostly cabinets and small furniture.  I have been told that the domino 500 is the better tool for me between the two.  Who out there has used both the 500 and 700 as well as the 700 with the seneca bit adapter?  If so,  is getting the 700 with the seneca adapter and 500 cutters the better route to take.  I am planning to make doors and larger items and just don't want to buy the 500 and wish I had bought the 700 instead.  I can only buy one so I want to choose right.  Is the 700 much harder to handle or burdensome to handle with the smaller material,  or is it so well balanced and smooth that it is not that big of a difference from the 500?  I would greatly appreciate all comments and thoughts on the two.

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Offline ceddy

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2014, 01:01 AM »
I would also be interested in this. I have the XL and I am looking to get the adaptor.

Offline ayhanmecit

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 01:40 AM »
ceddy,  do you feel the 700 is a little bulky or hard to control on smaller items?  Do you find that you wish it were a little smaller or easier to control?  I have never used the 700, only the 500.

Offline Kev

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2014, 02:07 AM »
You need to also consider that the 700 is not initially designed for thin stock.

The 700 is heavy and I'm aware of the size and weight difference to the 500.

As far as the mortises you cut, they won't be of a lesser quality because of the adaptor.

Offline RyanR

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 05:44 PM »
I recently bought a 700 after owning a 500- ran across one for a good price and took the plunge (couldn't resist). Anyway, I bought the Seneca adapter and it worked so well, I wound up selling the 500.

To truly test whether I could live without the 500, I made a quick drawer box from 1/2" BB using the 4mm bit and the adapter in my 700. When the combo handled that task, I knew I wouldn't need the 500 anymore. The only shortcoming that I can see is giving up the option of a 12mm plunge depth. For me, that would only be an issue using the 4mm bit with thinner material and it's set up for half-depth mortising anyway. Haven't missed the 500 yet!

Offline ceddy

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2014, 07:28 PM »
Great thank for the input. Gonna pull the trigger on the adaptor.

Offline bkharman

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2014, 08:00 PM »
I also have the 700 with adapter and shims. I really like it. As far as being too much of a brute for small work, this weekend I did a bunch of 5mm and 4 mm mortises in some small stock for a doll bed for my daughter.

I looked and tried both but didn't like the feel of the 500. To each their own!

Cheers. Bryan.
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Offline brentmorris

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2015, 09:17 PM »
So it seems like the consensus is 700 with the Seneca items works well for smaller items too? Good to know because I too would like to get a Domino and want to make the correct choice.

Offline MattFerreras

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2015, 09:39 PM »
I have the 700 with the adapter and while I haven't had much experience with the 4 and 5mm dominos it seems to work great. I'm glad a went this direction as it gives me the small and large capacity. Also, I don't find the 700 to be too heavy and bulky for the smaller work that I've done.

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2015, 10:09 PM »
I went through all this a month ago and decided with the df500.   I looked at my work load being 95% under 1 inch.   I went and looked at the df700 and its a big tool.   Being im using the tool for work and not as a hobby the extra weight and bulk was a deal breaker.   I really like the senca adapter concept but I couldnt pull the trigger.   I will buy a df700 when the need comes up.  Feel like each tool has the right job.   If your doing cabinets get the df500 with the domiplate.    If your build big doors and gates buy the df700.   I bought the df500 and feel like I made the best decision for me.   Theres not a wrong answer both tools are awesome.   

Offline brentmorris

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2015, 10:20 PM »

I went through all this a month ago and decided with the df500.   I looked at my work load being 95% under 1 inch.   I went and looked at the df700 and its a big tool.   Being im using the tool for work and not as a hobby the extra weight and bulk was a deal breaker.   I really like the senca adapter concept but I couldnt pull the trigger.   I will buy a df700 when the need comes up.  Feel like each tool has the right job.   If your doing cabinets get the df500 with the domiplate.    If your build big doors and gates buy the df700.   I bought the df500 and feel like I made the best decision for me.   Theres not a wrong answer both tools are awesome.

The fact that there's no real wrong answer has me bouncing back and forth every few days. Mostly I make are tables, desks, and media consoles. Occasionally I'll work with 3/4 inch or 1/2 inch stuff, but usually it's bigger stock. Though I would like to start making Adirondack chairs. I wish I could just buy both! ...of course I think everyone in this forum would prefer to just have all the options. Lol

Offline T. Ernsberger

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2015, 10:34 PM »

I went through all this a month ago and decided with the df500.   I looked at my work load being 95% under 1 inch.   I went and looked at the df700 and its a big tool.   Being im using the tool for work and not as a hobby the extra weight and bulk was a deal breaker.   I really like the senca adapter concept but I couldnt pull the trigger.   I will buy a df700 when the need comes up.  Feel like each tool has the right job.   If your doing cabinets get the df500 with the domiplate.    If your build big doors and gates buy the df700.   I bought the df500 and feel like I made the best decision for me.   Theres not a wrong answer both tools are awesome.

The fact that there's no real wrong answer has me bouncing back and forth every few days. Mostly I make are tables, desks, and media consoles. Occasionally I'll work with 3/4 inch or 1/2 inch stuff, but usually it's bigger stock. Though I would like to start making Adirondack chairs. I wish I could just buy both! ...of course I think everyone in this forum would prefer to just have all the options. Lol

If you do a lot of bigger project definitely get the df700. 

Offline ivanhoe

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2015, 11:06 PM »
Another vote for the 700 with senaca adapter and shims. I was in your shoes last year and read all i could on this issue and there are happy folks in both camps. What I did find was that there was overwhelming support from those that went the 700/Seneca path. I am of average build and have no problem with the weight of the tool.

Offline Nigel M

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2015, 11:08 PM »
Get the 700.
It's more versatile. Especially if your using bigger stock mostly. Our 500 pretty much sits in its sys now....
Eventually you'll have both!
Ts55, Ct36, of1400,Domino xl700, Trion ps300, Abrasives Sys2, various guides,rails 1 1400, 2 1400 holy, 2 connector sets, ETS 150(3),compact cleaning set,
Sys 1 toolbox(for router bits),Sys storage systainer (2),lr32 kit, sys4 tool box(holds veritas mk11 sharpening system),mft/3,Rotex 150,Tanos sys2/with attic,sys2 with fein tool insert,sys midi2(2)sys midi3,csx installer kit, rts 400, conturo edge bander, edge trimming kit, mfk700

Offline Nigel M

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2015, 11:13 PM »
I second that. The 700 is very well balanced, not too heavy at all.
I was using it today to mortise 8mmx30mm dominos in the top of some white oak 4x4s.
No problems. In fact I liked the weight of the machine to help keep me concentrated...
Ts55, Ct36, of1400,Domino xl700, Trion ps300, Abrasives Sys2, various guides,rails 1 1400, 2 1400 holy, 2 connector sets, ETS 150(3),compact cleaning set,
Sys 1 toolbox(for router bits),Sys storage systainer (2),lr32 kit, sys4 tool box(holds veritas mk11 sharpening system),mft/3,Rotex 150,Tanos sys2/with attic,sys2 with fein tool insert,sys midi2(2)sys midi3,csx installer kit, rts 400, conturo edge bander, edge trimming kit, mfk700

Offline WarnerConstCo.

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2015, 08:34 AM »
Get the 500 then buy a chain mortiser and a Maka.


Offline bkharman

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2015, 08:54 AM »


The fact that there's no real wrong answer has me bouncing back and forth every few days. Mostly I make are tables, desks, and media consoles. Occasionally I'll work with 3/4 inch or 1/2 inch stuff, but usually it's bigger stock. Though I would like to start making Adirondack chairs. I wish I could just buy both! ...of course I think everyone in this forum would prefer to just have all the options. Lol

Get the 700 and in the future if you want a 500, then get one.

I am pretty vocal that the 700 looks like a beast, but purrs like a kitten. I use it and the Seneca parts very often and it is awesome.  If you want to make chairs, definite get the 700.

Cheers. Bryan.
People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along?

Offline icecactus

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2015, 01:16 PM »
I ended up buying both. While I am sure the seneca adapter works great, I felt that festool made 2 different units for a reason. Yeah, it cost me significantly more. However, I hate screwing with things and I felt that I had to go through to many hoops (adapters, shims etc) to make the 700 do something it wasn't designed to do for 90% of my work. I just felt that the money spent on the seneca adapters would be better spent on the 500. I don't regret the decision.

FYI, I'm a hobbyist, with a lot of other hobby's.


TS 55 REQ, MFT/3, CT 48 w/Boom Arm, OF1400, LR32, 55" Holey Rail, 118" Rail, Domino 500, RO150, ETS150/3, RO90, DTS400

Offline Ripit

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LRe: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2018, 01:38 AM »
Hi, old post but has anyone here using the seneca adapter on the 700 experienced any issues with the tool? Seems to be some rumbling out there recently that it may be causing gearbox issues.

Thanks!

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 06:18 AM »
I have both Domino machines and use the 500 most of the time. I bought the Seneca adaptor but decided not to use them.

As an engineer, it bothers me to use a tool in a way for which it was neither designed nor tested. To me, it’s logical to think the 700, used with the Seneca adaptor, is going to experience stresses for which it was not designed. I don’t have any way to know if those stresses will result in a mechanical failure.

The 700 is too expensive to risk tearing up the gearbox.
Birdhunter

Offline Distinctive Interiors

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2018, 07:41 AM »
There was a guy posted a thread on here a couple of months ago about his DF700. I think he was from here in the UK...?

His 700 had gone wrong and he sent it into Festool UK for repair. He had fitted the Seneca adaptor to his 700 and sent it with the adaptor still fitted to the machine......IIRC, they initially told him they were blaming the adaptor so would not repair it.... I can't remember the final outcome.

Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2018, 09:09 AM »
There is another thread where the poster is contemplating between a TS55 and a TS75. A couple replies mentioned a “deal breaker” being the weight difference from the smaller machine to the bigger one. IF someone has the option of getting the larger unit that has larger cutting/Mortising ability why wouldn’t you take that option?  Im that example the TS75 can do everything the TS55 (cutting) and then some.   

Same thing here, with the adapter the 700 can do everything (minus the super small dominoes) and then some.  So weight is brought in.  We aren’t talking 10, 20, or 100 lb here.  If a pound or two is a “deal breaker” for a tool that really expands your options maybe one should shorten their work shop time and hit the gym.    [big grin]

When available I always go for the tool that has wider capabilities because you will inevitably wish you had so at some time in the future. 

Offline Ripit

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2018, 09:51 AM »
I agree with all the replies, guess i was hoping for a clear cut answer but without Festool approving the adapter all bets are off maybe its ok maybe not.

@Distinctive Interiors, yes I read all the info, to me it seems that the user sent the tool in with the adapter so of course Festool blamed the gearbox issue on the adapter when in reality there is no way to know unless Festool was to do some testing with instrumentation to determine the failure mode and then be able to point out the specific issues, I work in product development and I can almost guarentee that they are testing this adapter especially if they suspect it is causing gearbox failures that are costing them warrenty dollars. Posters on that thread were also saying “just don’t send in the tool with the adapter as they have now way of knowing” that is false logic, that may work while in warrenty but what about after warranty...

@TXFIVEO I had the atf65e bought in 2005 sold in 2018, I wasn't sure if I wanted the 55 or 75 so got both thinking I would send one back and I did, kept the 55 mostly because I only paid 380 and sold the 65 for 285. But after having both in hand I will buy the 75 down the road, the 55 is so nice and light for when you are doing mostly 1” and under. And yes I do need to go to the gym but not cuz I can’t throw the 75 around...the atf65e weighs more than the 75 and I used it for 13yr when I saw all the complaints of the weight of the 75 i was like... the 55 does seem a bit like a fisherprice toy for an adult compared to the 65 and 75 but we will see...

« Last Edit: March 11, 2018, 10:25 AM by Ripit »

Offline Ripit

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2018, 09:59 AM »
Also, I am mainly doing 3/4 and under work but I know that I will have occasional use for the big@s tenons which is why I want to cheat with the seneca adapter.

I should say that i am an exfurniture / cabinetmaker so this is just a hobby although I have occasional dreams of getting back in it fulltime as I am full on in midlife crisis currently medicating with the green stuff.

Offline Runhard

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2018, 10:22 AM »
This may not help, but here’s my story.

I bought the DF500 and used it for a few projects. I built replacement wood (I used cypress) storm windows for my house, a few mirrors, and so on. I wanted to build a bed, so I bought the DF700. I decided to sell the DF500 and purchased the Seneca adapter. I have not built the bed yet, nor have I used the DF700. I ended up buying another DF500 last year. Just recently, I purchased the connector kit for the DF700 and will be buying the kit for the DF500 when it’s available. I now have many options. I’m not sure that I will ever need the Seneca adapter, but I have it just in case. I believe that you would even be able to use the adapter to make deeper mortises using the smaller dominoe sizes, and then make custome size dominos to use. I’m not sure what applications and projects people have used this for.

Anyway, as a hobbyist and tool collector, I like having options and I enjoy the tools and the journey.
Daniel

Offline ScotF

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2018, 10:48 AM »
The 700 is just an awesome machine and one of Festool top 3 or 4 tools in my opinion. I would put the OF2200, TSC 55 and Rotex in that same category. Just a dream machine with lots of enhancements over the original.

With that said, I use my 500 way more. It is just the right size for so many projects and while the 700 is one of my favorites, I would likely keep the 500 if I had to chose one for furniture and cabinet making. I use a ton of 4mm and 5mm Dominos and I do not want to use special adaptors for reasons already cited. Having both machines gives me the options to use the full range, but that might not be the right decision for everyone. I think that the 500 is a better option for most tasks using 4/4 or 5/4 material and sheet goods. For large stuff like tables and beds and doors, etc... then the 700 shines. Of course you can double up on smaller Dominos with the smaller machine to increase glue surface and strength.

Offline HarveyWildes

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2018, 11:37 AM »
... Of course you can double up on smaller Dominos with the smaller machine to increase glue surface and strength.

And if you make your own dominos, you can make them wider than Festool's stock dominos to take advantage of the wider mortises that the 500 can cut, and as long as the Festool can cut.

Offline ScotF

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2018, 11:40 AM »
... Of course you can double up on smaller Dominos with the smaller machine to increase glue surface and strength.


Great idea!  [thumbs up] [thumbs up]
And if you make your own dominos, you can make them wider than Festool's stock dominos to take advantage of the wider mortises that the 500 can cut, and as long as the Festool can cut.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2018, 03:42 PM »
There is another thread where the poster is contemplating between a TS55 and a TS75. A couple replies mentioned a “deal breaker” being the weight difference from the smaller machine to the bigger one. IF someone has the option of getting the larger unit that has larger cutting/Mortising ability why wouldn’t you take that option?  Im that example the TS75 can do everything the TS55 (cutting) and then some.   

Same thing here, with the adapter the 700 can do everything (minus the super small dominoes) and then some.  So weight is brought in.  We aren’t talking 10, 20, or 100 lb here.  If a pound or two is a “deal breaker” for a tool that really expands your options maybe one should shorten their work shop time and hit the gym.    [big grin]

When available I always go for the tool that has wider capabilities because you will inevitably wish you had so at some time in the future.

But the 700 can plow mortises for the smallest dominos when fitted with the 4mm cutter - all one needs is to do is snap or slide a 3mm standoff/stop (cut from the original shipping plug is ideal) onto one of the plunge rods (to artificially limit the plunge depth to 12mm when set to on the 15 mm setting.)

Offline RussellS

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Re: The Domino XL 700 with the seneca adapter for 500 cutters ?
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2018, 04:37 PM »
There is another thread where the poster is contemplating between a TS55 and a TS75.  Im that example the TS75 can do everything the TS55 (cutting) and then some.   

Same thing here, with the adapter the 700 can do everything (minus the super small dominoes) and then some.

When available I always go for the tool that has wider capabilities because you will inevitably wish you had so at some time in the future.

So by that logic, the only hammer to own is a 32 oz framing hammer.  You can drive 16 penny spikes with it AND nail 4 penny finishing nails with it.  Does all nailing jobs.  NO reason at all to own a 16 oz or lighter hammer for finishing.  ALL finishers should only own and use big framing hammers.  No finish carpenter should own a finishing hammer, only framing hammer.  Yep, very logical.  And the only pick-up to own is a crew cab dually with turbo diesel.  It can do everything a half ton short box pick-up can do.  Its the only choice.