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Title: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: ADKMedic on October 07, 2018, 12:22 PM
Hello FOG,

I've been thinking about a Kapex for a while now and have been thinking about how to support it.  Other than the obvious (the wheels), what should I be considering in trying to decide between putting it on the UG stand or the MFT/Kapex?  I'm a hobbyist and it will predominantly be used in a home shop.

Thanks in advance,

Andy
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: petersd on October 07, 2018, 01:17 PM
While I don't yet have a Kapex. I do want to purchase one eventually. The mini MFT table is nice as you have space to set down tool and other items while cutting and doing adjustments. The Mobile stand has the benefit of being easy to move around and for me I would choose the mobile stand so when not in use I could fold it up and store it using less shop space.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: ChuckM on October 07, 2018, 01:37 PM
Wouldn't any table/station do the job for a Kapex, instead of spending extra on an MFT style table?
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: TrackTubesGuy on October 07, 2018, 01:47 PM
I purchased the UG stand with extensions and really liked it for mobile use.  Since my Kapex spends most its time in my benchtop miter station, I ultimately sold the UG and just use a couple sawhorses for mobile use ... the UG/extensions were just taking up storage space. 
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: ChuckM on October 07, 2018, 01:58 PM
I just need that kind of bench space!

If I get rid of my full-size lathe, I will be able to have a set-up similar to yours. But a lathe sometimes is the right tool for a job....Sigh!
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Birdhunter on October 07, 2018, 02:13 PM
I use the mobile aspect of the UG table only occasionally, but when I need it, it’s amazing! My shop space is chopped up into 3 areas. I really need to move equipment around so every machine except for the big lathe is on wheels. The UG stand is well made and I have a Festool vac nestled under it.

When you buy the Kapex, buy the shortened large diameter hose. It greatly improves the dust removal.

Tips:

Let the blade come to a complete stop before lifting the head.this virtually eliminates throwing cutoffs around. Look for a tiny Allen wrench in the packaging. You need it to adjust the lasers. Read the Supplemental Manual. Reread the Supplemental Manual.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Sometimewoodworker on October 07, 2018, 06:30 PM
While I don't yet have a Kapex. I do want to purchase one eventually. The mini MFT table is nice as you have space to set down tool and other items while cutting and doing adjustments. The Mobile stand has the benefit of being easy to move around and for me I would choose the mobile stand so when not in use I could fold it up and store it using less shop space.
Wouldn't any table/station do the job for a Kapex, instead of spending extra on an MFT style table?
If you are not going to take it out of the workshop then I go with ChuckM's opinion while also going partly with petersd ideas

I also don't have a Kapex as the cost benefit didn't work for me. I needed a mitre saw and was packing into an extremely small space, so took an idea from Paul Marcel and built this
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Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: jobsworth on October 07, 2018, 10:16 PM
I keep mine in the shop. I use the MFT/Kapex.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: fignewton on October 08, 2018, 09:32 PM
I have the stand and wings, and love it.  I fold it and store it under a countertop in my shop between two base cabinets, and keep the wings on one of my wood rack shelves.  I can have it set up in about 3 minutes, including connecting it to the dedicated small shop vac and cyclone I use with it.  I can take it anywhere easily in my Avalanche, or work with it outside depending on the house project.  The flexibility is great, and the support for the wings is good too, even for long stock.  I highly recommend the UG stand and wings.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: jerrym303 on October 08, 2018, 10:58 PM
Mine is on a very sturdy household repurposed table  (with adjustable height).  I use rollers when extension is needed.

On the project list is to build the Ron Paulk Miter Stand. The removeable extensions will work great in my shop.

http://stores.modularmarket.com/paulk_homes/paulk-miter-stand-p2.php

Ron has some nice videos on youtube.

Jerry

PS, found the video:

Stand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZPubkww-E)

Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: kevinculle on October 09, 2018, 08:03 AM
If you ever anticipate having projects where you will take the saw to the project the UG cart and extensions are unbeatable.  They also work very well in a stationary shop environment but the cost is a bit steep for just that.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: rmhinden on October 09, 2018, 11:58 AM
I built a cabinet for my Kapex based on a design by W Peters.  See:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/efficient-mobile-kapex/

It's working pretty well for me.   I have a rough SketchUp plan I made of it, PM me and I can email a copy.

Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: jacko9 on October 09, 2018, 12:40 PM
I have the stand and wings, and love it.  I fold it and store it under a countertop in my shop between two base cabinets, and keep the wings on one of my wood rack shelves.  I can have it set up in about 3 minutes, including connecting it to the dedicated small shop vac and cyclone I use with it.  I can take it anywhere easily in my Avalanche, or work with it outside depending on the house project.  The flexibility is great, and the support for the wings is good too, even for long stock.  I highly recommend the UG stand and wings.

I have this same setup and it works great in my small shop.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: awil66 on October 09, 2018, 08:21 PM
I work all over the place, in apartment buildings, large houses, big back yards, little backyards, and the ug cart and wings are the absolute best part of the kapex. Makes it a treat to use. The price seems ridiculous when you get it, but it really has no equal.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: ChuckM on October 09, 2018, 08:47 PM
Snip.
The price seems ridiculous when you get it, but it really has no equal.

This remark applies to the saw itself as well, for some of us. :P
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Kodi Crescent on October 12, 2018, 02:34 PM
I have the saw and the UG stand set up in the garage.  I have not taken it out.  However, it is nice to break down and fold up when all my projects are complete and I want to park our cars back in the garage.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: ScoFF on October 12, 2018, 04:49 PM
In Canada we have a store called Canadian Tire and I got this Mastercraft stand similar to the UG thing.  You're on your own with extension wings but I like it.  $59.
I'm pretty sure amazon would show clones under different names, same product.

Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Gregor on October 13, 2018, 10:24 AM
What's the height of the Kapex table when on that cart?
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: mike_aa on October 13, 2018, 12:04 PM
@ScoFF  That looks like a nice stand.  Do you have an item number or link?  I searched the Canadian Tire website and couldn't find it there or anything similar elsewhere.

Thanks, Mike A.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Ben63 on October 31, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nice thing I found out with the kapex 120 UG. In transport position the height is the same with festool tables. You can use it as support.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: skids on October 31, 2018, 08:54 PM
Hello FOG,

I've been thinking about a Kapex for a while now and have been thinking about how to support it.  Other than the obvious (the wheels), what should I be considering in trying to decide between putting it on the UG stand or the MFT/Kapex?  I'm a hobbyist and it will predominantly be used in a home shop.

Thanks in advance,

Andy


Run, run as fast as you can away from Festool. It's a total trap you will never free yourself from!  [big grin] [smile]
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Cheese on November 01, 2018, 12:27 AM
It’s a sweet saw...2nd thought...it’s a really sweet saw. However that first whiff of white smoke emanating from the air vents will jack your jaw forever.  [eek]
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Harry1561 on November 01, 2018, 04:54 AM
Love the Kapex, regretted not getting the UG cart and wings with the initial purchase, so made the most of this 1/4 special offer and picked up the cart this week  [smile]
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Jaybolishes on November 01, 2018, 07:38 AM
I made an inquiry three days ago on a used Kapex on Craigslist with 1.5 years left on the warranty.  The poster said it came back from service because the blade guard would hang up.  I emailed I would be interested in the saw if the motor had been replaced given the apparent issues with them burning up.   It was then the poster divulged the motor had been replaced as well. [unsure] so it appears it’s not only Festool hiding the motor issues.  I wouldn’t touch that $1400 lemon unless it sold for $300 new given that this saw will never be a dependable tool.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: kevinculle on November 01, 2018, 08:22 AM
There is no reliable data but it is my sense that the more recent Kapexes are susceptible to the armature smoke release and I don't recall hearing of it on an older (>5 years) saw.  If you want a Kapex I'd hang in there for an oldie...I got my 2009 vintage KS120 with UG cart & extensions for $1300 about 3 years ago...I'd expect pricing to be better now with the armature issue widely known.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: Cheese on November 01, 2018, 09:16 AM
There's a new Kapex in the wings for the US in 2019.  Unfortunately, we don't know yet what's new on it or more importantly, if they fixed the motor. [sad]

The new Kapex p/n is 575306.
Title: Re: Thinking about a Kapex
Post by: DeformedTree on November 01, 2018, 08:52 PM
There's a new Kapex in the wings for the US in 2019.  Unfortunately, we don't know yet what's new on it or more importantly, if they fixed the motor. [sad]

The new Kapex p/n is 575306.

Probably will have improvements there. Not that they would ever say this, that would be admitting an issue on the tool.  It will just have improvements and they will focus on other stuff.  Now of course is the new one smoke..... well that won't be good.