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Offline Latimer

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TS 55 or MFT/3
« on: March 08, 2018, 02:56 AM »
Hello everyone, newbie here, just a simple question (if it has been asked already apologies) so i am in a bit of a dilemma, should i buy

the TS 55 saw first or the MFT/3 table, in your experience which would be the better option.

Thanks, Latimer.

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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 03:11 AM »
They're products that work well together but don't really do similar things so I'm not sure I understand the question. Perhaps tell us a little about your upcoming projects? The MFT/3 is a useful workbench in many situations but it doesn't saw by itself.

Online Gregor

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2018, 03:31 AM »
I would say: get both and a dust collector. Most likely you'll end up with all three in the end anyway.

But to chime in with
They're products that work well together but don't really do similar things so I'm not sure I understand the question. Perhaps tell us a little about your upcoming projects?
you should tell us your plans as telepathy is (more often than not) unreliable.

Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2018, 07:59 AM »
Welcome to the FOG!

Personally I would start with a combo consisting of a TS 55 and a CT (personally I choose the CT 26). If it is your first experience with a plunge saw, get used of it and see what application you plan to achieve in the near future. The MFT/3 is down my list but not a priority. I plan to get me a Roubo style workbench first and then if accuracy with the TS 55 become a problem or on the top of my priority I will go for the MFT/3.

All the videos I watched with a MFT/3 in it was to be used in conjunction with a plunge saw so it is hard to me to imagine what I could do with a MFT/3 without the TS 55. I am sure there is a ton of use cases and scenarios for a MFT/3 alone like clamping but if this is what you need a simple DIY MFT would be just fine.

My 2 cents  [smile]

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Offline RobBob

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2018, 08:21 AM »
Consider the TSC 55 instead of the TS 55. 

Re. MFT/3 - Will you be using the saw primarily to break down plywood?  If so, a sheet of 2" foam insulation laid on the floor or on a large table will work.

Offline Latimer

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2018, 09:06 AM »
Thanks everyone for the responses, as for my plans its just like i said a dilemma, i'm just looking for the best place to start in acquiring decent

tools and like i said i have a choice of two options. I could just buy the saw and the track and use it on my workbench i suppose, but i do like

the MFT table in that it has a range of uses which i like also, and for its size its perfect for me.

So i guess i will do a lot more research before deciding which one, please continue to offer the pros and cons of each, its very much appreciated.

Thanks again, Latimer.



Offline waho6o9

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2018, 09:34 AM »
I would suggest the saw, track, and extractor first.  If possible ask to get the rail with holes in it
for making adjustable shelves, some dealers do that.

As an alternative you can purchase just the MFT3 top, and or make one,  and work off your saw horses. 

Welcome to the FOG!

All the Best
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Offline jobsworth

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2018, 09:53 AM »
First Id like to say Welcome to the FOG

You've already got some good advice so far. But Ill add my take on your question.

Ive said this same thing a lot here.

That is that unlike other tool brands , Festool is a system.

Unfortunately every thing is pretty much sold ala cart.

The basics of the sytem is a TS 55, MFT, CT. Everything else you buy after that is based on what sort of projects you decide to make.
 If I had a choice between a MFT and a TS 55 in my very honest opinion, I would save my money and buy both.

Though you can get by by making your own MFT such as the Ron Paulk Work bench. You can buy plans from him go to U tube and do a search. Tim Tool also sells plans for a very nice MFT that he designed to. At the end of the day you'll need a MFT or MFT like work bench.

Festool dealers do sell Packages and give discount something like 10% or so off the purchase of a tool and MFT or Tool and CT.

There are plenty of festool dealers who come here and can help you out. Another thing you can do is sign up for the Festool Recon sale. They put tools up that have been returned for what ever reason repaired them if they needed it and resell at a substantial discount. Keep a eye out and you will see a TS 55 for sale as a recon same with te MFT and CT.

https://www.festoolrecon.com

Sign up for the email notices but check on it as the tools go quick some have complained that by the time they get the email notice the tool has been sold. It takes patience. Eventually you'll see the tools you want pop up.

Oh yea keep a eye on the classifieds on this site you will see them pop up for sale to.

I hope this helps

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Offline Latimer

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2018, 10:45 AM »
Thanks again for the help, much appreciated.

Offline Rob Z

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2018, 10:54 AM »
Good morning Latimer,

My opinion is that it would be best to buy the track saw and dust extractor** and make an MFT-style work table if your funds are limited at the moment.  FOG member Timothy Wilmots has some great and affordable MFT plans available on his website .  And there are plenty of other options out there  on the web.

** A friend has the Festool dust bag for his track saw and it works well enough that I think you could even do without the dust extractor at the moment as long as you buy that bag. 

Offline Rob Z

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2018, 10:57 AM »
Here is Timothy's youtube channel with a lot of videos to get you started.


http://www.youtube.com/user/ruskijager/videos

Offline SRSemenza

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 11:12 AM »
Hello everyone, newbie here, just a simple question (if it has been asked already apologies) so i am in a bit of a dilemma, should i buy

the TS 55 saw first or the MFT/3 table, in your experience which would be the better option.

Thanks, Latimer.


Hi,

   Welcome to the forum!  [smile]

      If you are really deciding between the two, then get the saw. You can build your own workbench or cutting table or use foam on the floor, etc. But you can't build the saw (well probably not  [wink] ).

Seth

Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 12:05 PM »
You still haven't mentioned what you want to do or what other tools you already have. An MFT/3 by itself does nothing. A TS55 at least saws. But if you already own a bunch of other tools and don't need a plunge saw necessarily an MFT/3 is of course useful. So again; what do you already own and what is your first upcoming project?

Offline SS Teach

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2018, 12:17 PM »
Welcome to the FOG.  As was stated earlier Festool is a system, revolving around a saw with its track, dust extractor, and MFT. The saw, track, and CT you need to buy. I bought a MFT top and built my own. And then comes everything else. As others have also said it depends on what you’re building. Buy as you need. Remember that budget and Festool are two words that really don’t  work together very well. We call it the slippery slope for a reason. Good luck and enjoy your new endeavors.
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Offline Latimer

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2018, 04:40 PM »
Thanks again for the useful replies, lot of good info too take in, like i said i'm really looking to acquire dependable reliable equipment that has

a good track record and a good warranty, i do have a table saw (dewalt) an Axminster bandsaw and a Bosch chop saw and router, I also have a

bulky Triton dust collector which has see better days.               

 My work area just dose'nt accommodate these and i'm looking to downsize, Im hoping that the TS saw along with the MFT table would replace my other equipment.

Now i know it won't replace the bandsaw but i have a jigsaw so thats not a problem, again thanks for the replies, Latimer.

Offline rustyjvan

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2018, 06:02 PM »
Hey Latimer,

I recently went through this same dilemma and I bit the Bullet and bought both at the same time, except I bought the TS75. If this is not an option for you, I would examine your priorities in projects and maybe wait until you can buy both, or build your own as many others have said. During this time really think about you need and how it will increase your effectiveness as a woodworker. If you need some help, list your next upcoming project so everyone can give you input on which one, if you can afford only one.

 From my experience, after minimal use, I have found that the two have synergy when used together, but either are equally good on their own. For me, I like the portability of the track saw, and I find that it is a equal replacement of the circular saw (in-fact that’s what it is but with a special base and plunge mechanism). I still have my DBSC miter saw that I use for angular cuts of smaller stock, but ripping angles on sheet goods has never been easier than with the TS.

In my limited use of the MFT/3, it works amazing for holding items in place during  sanding, staining, or cutting. Also, for doing angular cuts on large sheet stock or marking out angles for then use with the track saw on the ground/ assembly table. Like many others have said, you can make your own 20mm holes since you have a router, and make it to the dimension of your needs.




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Offline Latimer

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2018, 03:13 AM »
Hey Latimer,

I recently went through this same dilemma and I bit the Bullet and bought both at the same time, except I bought the TS75. If this is not an option for you, I would examine your priorities in projects and maybe wait until you can buy both, or build your own as many others have said. During this time really think about you need and how it will increase your effectiveness as a woodworker. If you need some help, list your next upcoming project so everyone can give you input on which one, if you can afford only one.

 From my experience, after minimal use, I have found that the two have synergy when used together, but either are equally good on their own. For me, I like the portability of the track saw, and I find that it is a equal replacement of the circular saw (in-fact that’s what it is but with a special base and plunge mechanism). I still have my DBSC miter saw that I use for angular cuts of smaller stock, but ripping angles on sheet goods has never been easier than with the TS.

In my limited use of the MFT/3, it works amazing for holding items in place during  sanding, staining, or cutting. Also, for doing angular cuts on large sheet stock or marking out angles for then use with the track saw on the ground/ assembly table. Like many others have said, you can make your own 20mm holes since you have a router, and make it to the dimension of your needs.




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Hello rustyjvan, yes, i agree the MFT,s table other uses as you have mentioned and it's portability caught my attention, i will

look into the TS75 option, thanks again, Latimer.

Offline lwoirhaye

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2018, 03:42 AM »
MFT is an interesting tool if you have the money and space for it.  It's limited in the crosscuts it can do so you'll still be breaking up full sheets using spacers on the floor or on sawhorses.   It holds stuff for routing or sanding? ok. A rubber pad does that too.  For carving it's cool.  It will shimmy unpleasantly under the lateral force of hand planing.  It can't hold a board on edge or vertically without elaborate jigging.  A workbench is more useful, imo. 

Like most combination tools the MFT can do many things but few of them especially well.  A lot depends on variable factors like space available, tolerances you're working to, and style of work. 

Money being a concern I'd stick with the saw and get a TSO square.  I actually sold my first MFT and later picked up another used on a lark.  They have their uses but man do they cost a lot of money for something that is so tricky to dial in perfectly for crosscutting.  Accessory braces may have improved the reliability of the MFT as a crosscut jig but I'm not buying them.  I had enough experiences of the thing going out of square every time it was moved to be skittish.
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Offline Turnamere

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2018, 05:08 AM »
Space was a big constraint for me but I needed accuracy for building cabinets for various projects around the house, so, after plenty of research I bought the TS55.  I then used the TS55 to build myself a variant of the Ron Paulk MK I Workbench(check YouTube).  This gave me accurate straight cuts, a multitude of work holding options, weighty enough to use for most woodworking tasks yet still relatively portable, and since I made my bench short enough to stand on end in my garage I have a dead flat 6Ft x 4Ft workbench (with 2Ft extension to take it to the full 8Ft) that only takes up 2 SqFt of floor space. 

Since then Axminster and Peter Parfitt developed the Parf Guide system for laying out and making your own MFT style tops, any size.  If I ever get around to building a new bench I'll use the Parf Guide system to lay out the new top but for now I have a separate top which I pop onto my bench for super accurate and repeatable cross cuts.  I have also added an after-market parrallell guide system.

Over time I have also added CTL26 dust extractor and OF1400 router and have sleeved the hoses and integrated the pluggit cables.  The ability to disconnect power and vacuum at the tool end is such a time saving convenience that I have adapted my bosch sander and cheapo electric plane with pluggit adapters until such time as I can afford the Festool replacement.
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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2018, 07:39 AM »
Ok that makes it a lot easier to give advice. Buy the TS55, use it (and/or your table saw) and your router to do your own MFT style worktop. Then get rid of whatever you want to get rid of. Even if you acquire a "true" MFT/3 later on I understand budget is a concern and this will get you 90 percent of the way there for now. That's what I would say based on not knowing what your project is of course.

Offline Master Carpenter

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2018, 09:29 AM »
Without a doubt, saw first. The ts 55 has a lot more uses than just "breaking down sheet goods". For everyone advising to "buy into the system", yes the system has great benefits, but for me at least, and several others from reading the posts here, the track saw is the gateway. Making precise cuts will advance your woodworking farther than having a fancy workbench.

I started with the saw, added a Festool hose to use with a shop vac and used a couple saw horses. Once I saw how much more i could do, I worked to add to the system. You question asked which first, so it doesn't matter why you are spacing out the purchase, you'll get the mft eventually, and that will add more capabilities.

I wouldn't buy the mft second, I'd get a sander. The other Festool that really changed the game.

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Offline Chance B

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2018, 09:45 AM »
Latimer,

I would get the saw. Then the dust collector (CT vac). But, immediately I would search the internet and buy a downloadable file for around $10 that has the MFT hole pattern on it. Find a wood shop with a CNC machine and have them cut you out 2 MFT tops for around $75 (this should include the MDF as well). I own the MFT and wish I just would have done the CNC shop versions first. You'll be able to fit 2 tops out of one sheet of MDF. Or, you can have them scale it bigger and make a bigger version.

Offline grbmds

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2018, 01:27 PM »
Thanks everyone for the responses, as for my plans its just like i said a dilemma, i'm just looking for the best place to start in acquiring decent

tools and like i said i have a choice of two options. I could just buy the saw and the track and use it on my workbench i suppose, but i do like

the MFT table in that it has a range of uses which i like also, and for its size its perfect for me.

So i guess i will do a lot more research before deciding which one, please continue to offer the pros and cons of each, its very much appreciated.

Thanks again, Latimer.

Having purchased tools kind of randomly when I first started woodworking, I wish I had put more thought into what I would build with them and where I will use them. Now I have a shop full of tools which will allow me to build anything I want and some things that I will probably never have the need to build. I have more tools than I need for sure.

The TS55/MFT3 combo is a very powerful tool but, for me it won't do everything. You will also eventually need dust collection if you don't want a big mess. The TS55 will definitely function on its own without the MFT but will still make a mess without dust collection. Certainly you can go cordless with the TSC55 but, if you are just using it in your shop, I feel the TS55 is a better choice.

There is no way for anyone to tell you which tools you need. If I had it to do over again, I'd wait till I had a project and buy the tools I need for that project and accumulate new tools each time I started a new project for which I didn't have the appropriate tools. That's probably too sensible for most of us when a shiny new tool stares us in the face.
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Offline Welshdog

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2018, 09:47 PM »
Since we are discussing the TS55 I have a question: After the whole Imperial/Metric kerfuffel, how is the TS sold in the US?  Pictures on Festool USA website clearly show the depth scales as metric.  After using my ATF55e for 10 years I kind of want a saw with a metric scale.
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Offline Mario Turcot

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2018, 11:23 PM »
New saw in NA is imperial only. If you are from US you can contact festoolusa and they will sent you a metric sticker for free. For Canadians, you have to order them through your local dealer $$. Can I pretend to be on the US side with a Canadian address :P

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Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2018, 07:11 AM »
I say get the TS75..more power and ability to cut much thicker material...good to have when you need it. To compare...I got an 8” jointer instead of the usual 6” jointer...boy I’m glad I went with the larger capacity machine for those future projects where you will inevitably “need” it and wish you had it!

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2018, 02:15 PM »
I was fearing I may have made a mistake buying the TS55 instead of the TS75 especially because I was cutting 8/4 wood to make a cutting board.  That was until I got to pick up and hold the TS75 again at the Roadshow this past Tuesday.  It is considerably bigger and heavier than the TS75.  I can affirmatively say that I'm glad I got the TS55 instead of the TS75.
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Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2018, 02:58 PM »
I suppose if you're getting rid of the miter/chop saw it's worth considering the 75 over the 55 just to have something that will cut thicker beams. Though I guess a track saw really isn't the ideal tool for that to begin with.

Offline TXFIVEO

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2018, 07:56 PM »
If the slight weight difference between the TS55 and TS75 is a “deal breaker” maybe a little less time in the woodshop and more time in the gym.  [eek] The saw is primarily slid on a track.  It’s not like you are holding dead weight all day long. 

Offline Latimer

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Re: TS 55 or MFT/3
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2018, 09:41 AM »
Latimer,

I would get the saw. Then the dust collector (CT vac). But, immediately I would search the internet and buy a downloadable file for around $10 that has the MFT hole pattern on it. Find a wood shop with a CNC machine and have them cut you out 2 MFT tops for around $75 (this should include the MDF as well). I own the MFT and wish I just would have done the CNC shop versions first. You'll be able to fit 2 tops out of one sheet of MDF. Or, you can have them scale it bigger and make a bigger version.

Thanks for the info, and everyone else, i will take all suggestions and ideas on board, thanks again, Latimer.