Guy Ashley
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« on: February 20, 2012, 07:43 AM » |
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A little rumour (from a previously reliable source) is that the new TS55, the TS55R is due for release in UK in Spring!!
The main changes are
Can cut flush to a wall due to new flush housing
An adjustable viewing window where the blade makes contact with the stock
Angle adjustments from -1 to +47 degrees
Dust extraction improved due to enclosed design of viewing window/splinter guard and riving knife
It is compatible with previous rails and accessories
Price points are £395 + VAT with a 1400 rail or £355 + VAT without the rail!
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Kev
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 07:50 AM » |
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"R" ?? Ahh - sports version  I suppose the TS75RR Trophy will be the model to hold out for  |
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joiner1970
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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 08:11 AM » |
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There is a new tool coming out on "April 1st" believe it or not  not the best date to release something but its true as far as I know. I went through a few designs for a new TS55 when I was visited on site by a Festool engineer/designer a few years back so you never know it could be time for it to be released. here is my original post http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/tight-fisted-festool/ |
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windmill man
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 09:00 AM » |
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Not enough possitive functional changes, to make me change. Think Maffell has the edge still. we will have to see  |
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FEStastic
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 09:18 AM » |
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Hope this one won't fall over when cutting 45's
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windmill man
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 09:25 AM » |
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Yep Fes it will. Its only window dressing only possitive thing i can see is it has at long last got a duel depth indicater. flush cutting acording to festool is 12 mm away from edge. I always thought flush ment flush. can do bettter with a kss300 think thats 10 mm off top of head. window who needs a window with a rail saw? -1 to 47 deg ok thats better. Not impressed Go back and do the job properly Festool
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Festoolfootstool
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 01:38 PM » |
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Thats really funny because I just sold my ts55 as it had sat in its box for the last year since getting the mafell mt55cc so for once my timing was good Anybody know how big the motor is?? |
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Why do Festool accessories only have a two month guarantee here in the UK ?
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Guy Ashley
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 01:46 PM » |
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Thats really funny because I just sold my ts55 as it had sat in its box for the last year since getting the mafell mt55cc so for once my timing was good Anybody know how big the motor is?? 1200W |
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Festoolfootstool
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 01:49 PM » |
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Thats really funny because I just sold my ts55 as it had sat in its box for the last year since getting the mafell mt55cc so for once my timing was good Anybody know how big the motor is?? 1200W Ooohh  |
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windmill man
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 02:21 PM » |
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Its just a half hearted make over, same basic saw with some "go faster stripes and questionable wheel trims" only real improvement is a dual scale reader. No ground breaking improvements, shame.
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Festoolfootstool
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 02:35 PM » |
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Its just a half hearted make over, same basic saw with some "go faster stripes and questionable wheel trims" only real improvement is a dual scale reader. No ground breaking improvements, shame.
John get off the fence and say what you think for a change  |
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 02:48 PM » |
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is this a recession induced half arsed attempt?
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andvari
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 02:59 PM » |
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is this a recession induced half arsed attempt?
Well I feel relieved that I'm not going to have to sneak in another new tool. |
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TS55, Domino 500, Domino Assortment, OF1400, CT36+Boom Arm, T12+3, FS3000, Parallel Guides, RO 90, ETS 150/3, Domino XL, Domiplate, LS130, RTS Guide Stop, CMS-GE
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waynelang2001
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 03:06 PM » |
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This saw has not even been seen let alone used by anyone. So saying its just got some added racing strips is a bit silly. Let us wait and see if it is even for real before we pass judgement.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 03:16 PM » |
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ALLREADY GOT:Domino XL DF 700 - CS70 precisio - Kapex 120 EB - TS 55 EBQ Saw - EHL 65E - PS 300 EQ - OF 1010 EBQ - OFK 500 R3 - CTL 26 E - CTL Midi - BS 75 e-set - DTS 400 EQ - ROTEX 90 - FS SYS/2 - FS 1400/2 x2 - FS 800/2 - FS Bag
D 36 HW RS craftsman cleaning kit - D27/D36 portable cleaning kit - RO90 & DTS 400 abrasive sys - Festool & Protool tool-box - carpenter sys - Fein supercut sys - homemade drills&drivers sys - nailguns sys5 -SYS-CART RB-SYS
WORKIN' REALLY HARD FOR: UG-KA-SET - OF 1400 - ETS 125 - ROTEX 125 - Boom Arm - FS/2 3000
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windmill man
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2012, 03:37 PM » |
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Its real, got the Pdf to prove it. and NO, i cant post it, sorry but promised. John |
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2012, 03:39 PM » |
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So next year at the earliest for a NA version, that is if there's no strobe light on it
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windmill man
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2012, 03:45 PM » |
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Not even light of any description. Strap line for this none event CLOSER CLEANER FINER............ TS55R The Classic Plunge Cut Saw Redefined Quote from PDF Wonder How "Jim Royal" would put it "My  ??" |
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Festoolfootstool
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2012, 05:02 PM » |
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Richard having had both the ts55 and the mt55cc it would have to be the mafell but who knows how much of a rework the festool has had it would need to be excellent just to match the mafell I will watch with interest although I will not be buying one.. |
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Kev
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2012, 05:14 PM » |
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I think here Festool are relying on their broad system benefits rather than making the individual tool excellent. If that is the case, it could be a strategic blunder ...
If people start to question their investment in Festool tracks etc ... Oh dear!
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windmill man
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2012, 05:19 PM » |
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Richard,
Mafell, defiantly
TS55R pointless face lift, it is still miles behind the Mafell. Get the impression that the TSSR is a kneejerk reaction by Festool to the many new rail saws an the market , that have more features. (these new rail saws are not a patch quality wise to the Festool) But they are making the TS55 look a little dated. So now Festool have a drum to bang about the new improved version. They should have not wasted their time and should have concentrated on producing the next generation of properly re worked and re thought saws. I can think of at least a dozen real world improvements to the Ts saws.
Richard a new base is only about £80
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2012, 06:11 PM » |
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So you don't like it then John I too have seen the PDF & I'm afraid John is right, just a face lift. I can't comment on the Mafell but it certainally gets good write ups. I think if I was looking for a new track saw then I would have to check it out ! |
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If its made of wood, i can make it smaller.
Shirt size medium
p.s- ive started reading these too
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Alan m
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2012, 06:32 PM » |
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Richard,
I can think of at least a dozen real world improvements to the Ts saws.
ok lets here them // please  |
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ts 55+2 1400 rails+ 1 lr32 1400 rail, domino+assortment systainer+ domiplate, ct 22 with boom arm+home made thien baffel, lr32 set, rotex 150, home made MFT,home made work center, 6 t locs for other tools, of2000 , ro 90, mft 800, trion , ls 130
wish list
of 1400, MFT 3,, even more t locs for other tools
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
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Peter Parfitt
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2012, 08:44 AM » |
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Hi Everyone
If one goes for the Mafell saw you need Mafell rails and Mafell clamps and a Mafell router guide to use the rails and....you then have to join the MOG which does not exist as far as I can tell.
One of the things that has attracted me to Festool is that so much of the bits and pieces can be shared across the family of tools. There is no way that I want to go back to the old days of stove-pipe systems which have nothing in common. Also, I have found that the ability to ask for and exchange information with other Festool owners, here on the FOG, is worth loads. I have learnt so much and found many truely great craftmen only too willing to mentor us lesser mortals.
Now if the TS 55 R is just a slightly updated TS 55 so what? Those coming to the market for a new saw will benefit from the minor improvements. Those already owning the TS 55 can continue to enjoy their lovely saws. The TS 55 R will use the same rails that I already own, I can use it with ease on my MFT3 and I know that it will be well served by my CTL 26 extractor - oh, and the spare blades that fit my TS 55 will fit the TS 55 R.
I will try and find out some more as soon as I can and I will let you know what I discover.
Peter
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Wish List: C15, HL850, BS75, DF700, Second Extractor, new secretary
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2012, 08:49 AM » |
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You can use the Mafell saw on festool rails.
John
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windmill man
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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2012, 08:54 AM » |
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And the saw blades are the same. |
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Festoolfootstool
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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2012, 09:22 AM » |
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Hi Everyone
If one goes for the Mafell saw you need Mafell rails and Mafell clamps and a Mafell router guide to use the rails and....you then have to join the MOG which does not exist as far as I can tell. Peter no you do not need anything the mt55cc was designed to run on all the better manufacturers rails
One of the things that has attracted me to Festool is that so much of the bits and pieces can be shared across the family of tools. There is no way that I want to go back to the old days of stove-pipe systems which have nothing in common. Also, I have found that the ability to ask for and exchange information with other Festool owners, here on the FOG, is worth loads. I have learnt so much and found many truely great craftmen only too willing to mentor us lesser mortals.The mafell saw fits seamlesly into the festool system and you can continue to use the fog
Now if the TS 55 R is just a slightly updated TS 55 so what? Those coming to the market for a new saw will benefit from the minor improvements. Those already owning the TS 55 can continue to enjoy their lovely saws. The TS 55 R will use the same rails that I already own, I can use it with ease on my MFT3 and I know that it will be well served by my CTL 26 extractor - oh, and the spare blades that fit my TS 55 will fit the TS 55 R.If the ts55r is just a slightly updated saw then it is not as good as the mafell and many would see this as a missed oportunity
I will try and find out some more as soon as I can and I will let you know what I discover.
Peter
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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2012, 09:35 AM » |
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I did a You Tube search on Mafell saws. One of the "movies" showed an extra channel that could be used "with other saws".
I assume that "other saws" meant Festool and all of the saws that have copied Festools track system. I noticed several other points that were very interesting on the various Mafell saws, and they seem to have a fairly wide choice in models. I have never seen a Mafell until just now so i have no idea whether they are a better saw or not.
Tinker
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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2012, 09:57 AM » |
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Also what is the cost difference between the mafell and festools saws |
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