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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2012, 10:07 AM » |
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Also what is the cost difference between the mafell and festools saws  The Mafell is dearer but it is not much dearer and it is a quality item,I do not care who has their name on the tool its about quality,features, ease of use etc. I would like to see a higher profile for mafel here in the UK, I guess that could be applied to the rest of the world as it seems they do not have a large presence in the states either. |
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2012, 10:46 AM » |
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Ya I've no brand loyalty I only want te best my money can buy (or afford). Mafell has next to no presence here in canada beyond timber framers
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2012, 01:18 PM » |
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I like mafell too I just find their customer service useless here in the UK its handled by nma. I recently bought a mafell biscuit jointer and had some minor problems on speaking to nma I got someone who didn't give a hoot about the problems I had and advised me to fix a brand new tool myself. Luckily the dealer I got it from was excellent and had it collected from me and replaced with a new one.
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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2012, 01:23 PM » |
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I like mafell too I just find their customer service useless here in the UK its handled by nma. I recently bought a mafell biscuit jointer and had some minor problems on speaking to nma I got someone who didn't give a hoot about the problems I had and advised me to fix a brand new tool myself. Luckily the dealer I got it from was excellent and had it collected from me and replaced with a new one.
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2012, 02:58 PM » |
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I think its fine that festool is updating one of their mainstream tools. I actually like the fact that they will use the same blades and such. With festool being a system, I don't want to buy new rails, blades and such with every new saw. I don't what all the fuss is about.
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2012, 03:01 PM » |
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I'm with you Ceddy. This is the FOG after all!
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2012, 03:08 PM » |
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I think its fine that festool is updating one of their mainstream tools. I actually like the fact that they will use the same blades and such. With festool being a system, I don't want to buy new rails, blades and such with every new saw. I don't what all the fuss is about.
Im still using the AFT55 Festool saw from the early 2000's, so even the TS55 would be an upgrade for me. I would really like a scoring function on the TS55R though. |
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2012, 03:41 PM » |
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I'm with you Ceddy. This is the FOG after all!
Peter
I agree with you about the Fog! lol but I do think festool should of added more features! Give it something special. IF it had a few nice new features I would of properly bought one but as it stands I will NOT be buying one. A nice new feature to me would be! A new rail system! BUT BUT wait! The TS55R will still be able to run on the old festool guide rails no problem this wouldnt be difficult cus its just a simple groove out in the TS55R base. I would like the new rail to have a second track like Maffel near the splinter edge to allow for closer clamping of narrower stock. A nice new Feature to me would be! A depth gauge which allows for ON or OFF the track depth adjustment. A nice new Feature to me would be! A depth lock so the saw could be used of the rail safely A nice new Feature to me would be! A manual Riving knife lift! ( I have often found the riving knife stoping me plunging into certain cuts and have had to do some dangerous tricks to flick the riving knife up while the blade is spinning a little scary!) A a nice new Feature to me would be.............. Wait a minute!! I think im describing the Mafel plunge saw here! I think the Mafel saw will be my new TS55 replacement once it breaks seen as TS55R hasnt even come close to any of the nice new features Mafel is currently offering. Also the Mafel saw will be the saw ill be recommending to people I work with over the TS55! Oh wait I already have been doing! My mate bought a Mafel 3 weeks ago! Thats one TS55 sale lost already. JMB |
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2012, 03:56 PM » |
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JMB , TS55R has an on and off depth scale but its not adjustable. If my 55 died tomorrow I would replace with mafell 55, I am not having a downer on festool I just want the best quality and functional tools to earn a living with. The 55R is IMO a waste of time , it has not met the bar let alone raised it  |
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2012, 04:51 PM » |
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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2012, 04:53 PM » |
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Ohhh John, you trying to steal Guys "Grumpy" crown haahaa! |
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2012, 04:56 PM » |
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Ohhh John, you trying to steal Guys "Grumpy" crown haahaa! Its mine..........I'll have you know warren gave me the grumpy crown weeks ago  |
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« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2012, 04:58 PM » |
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From a couple of responders, it seems Mafell service leaves a bit to be desired. I don't care how good a machine is, if those who "stand" behind it give poor service, I am not interested.
For my daytime biz, if John (My equipment seller, repairer and guru) don't sell it, I don't buy it. His service is that great. I just do not go anywhere else. With Festool, I seem to know quite a few reliable (personal relationships as well as reported by others) dealers who are also known as reliable with followup service. I don't shop around.
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« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2012, 05:12 PM » |
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iv heard that the mafel uk support isnt great but so is festools uk service. you guys in the us and canada dont know how luck you are. all you have to do is post on here and shane will organise a call to you. you would never see festool uk do that. god help me festool ireland is a sub part of festool uk
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« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2012, 05:15 PM » |
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The Grumpy crown is MINE, Well not quite, Guy has me beaten , He is the Jedi master of all things Grumpy  I pale into insignificance in his shadow. Tinker, this not a case of shopping around or just buying from someone with the best service. You may not realise the service we get over here from Festool Uk is  Its a case of this long awaited "new saw" is a none event  |
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« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2012, 06:05 PM » |
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Not to sing Festool UK (TTS) praises too much but they fixed my OF1400 router for free when it was out of warranty. New armature, bearings, labor etc. They didn't need to do that. I know a few here has had bad service from them but I can only comment on my service. Really happy with them so far  I have no affiliation with them. Woodguy. |
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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2012, 06:07 PM » |
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Ohhh John, you trying to steal Guys "Grumpy" crown haahaa! Its mine..........I'll have you know warren gave me the grumpy crown weeks ago why?? |
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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2012, 06:25 PM » |
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Also what is the cost difference between the mafell and festools saws The Mafell is dearer but it is not much dearer and it is a quality item, The MT55cc is $300 more expensive than a TS55 here in the states, I would considered 60% of the tool's cost to be a significant difference. |
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2012, 06:33 PM » |
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Yes its true but it comes with a larger guide rail parallel guide and two blades
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« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2012, 06:36 PM » |
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Also what is the cost difference between the mafell and festools saws The Mafell is dearer but it is not much dearer and it is a quality item, The MT55cc is $300 more expensive than a TS55 here in the states, I would considered 60% of the tool's cost to be a significant difference. £499.95 Mafell MT55 1.6m rail £470.40 Festool TS55 1.4m rail Only £29.55 more! Thats nothing! Thats only a 5.9% increase here in the UK JMB |
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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2012, 06:39 PM » |
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Also what is the cost difference between the mafell and festools saws The Mafell is dearer but it is not much dearer and it is a quality item, The MT55cc is $300 more expensive than a TS55 here in the states, I would considered 60% of the tool's cost to be a significant difference. As you are quoting me please realise I do not live in the states and unlike festool mafell is probably not subsidised in the states by buyers thoughout europe |
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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2012, 06:43 PM » |
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I assumed the price differences were comparable.
What is the reason more people don't own the Mafell then? For that price difference, I would have sprung for one. $300 - not as likely
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« Reply #52 on: February 21, 2012, 06:53 PM » |
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Also what is the cost difference between the mafell and festools saws The Mafell is dearer but it is not much dearer and it is a quality item, The MT55cc is $300 more expensive than a TS55 here in the states, I would considered 60% of the tool's cost to be a significant difference. As you are quoting me please realise I do not live in the states and unlike festool mafell is probably not subsidised in the states by buyers thoughout europe It's not just Europe that's fodder to The US Festool price model - the everywhere else on the planet. (pass the grumpy crown please) |
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« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2012, 07:04 PM » |
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Also what is the cost difference between the mafell and festools saws The Mafell is dearer but it is not much dearer and it is a quality item, The MT55cc is $300 more expensive than a TS55 here in the states, I would considered 60% of the tool's cost to be a significant difference. As you are quoting me please realise I do not live in the states and unlike festool mafell is probably not subsidised in the states by buyers thoughout europe It's not just Europe that's fodder to The US Festool price model - the everywhere else on the planet. (pass the grumpy crown please) Ah yes, but in exchange you get Festools we do not. Quid pro quo. |
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« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2012, 07:11 PM » |
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I assumed the price differences were comparable.
What is the reason more people don't own the Mafell then? For that price difference, I would have sprung for one. $300 - not as likely
Well only recently more and more people are buying the TS55 even now a lot of tradesmen still dont kno about festool let alone know about Mafell! I found out about Festool before I did Mafell and already owned a TS55 then. If Mafell made them self know to the public they will get more sales! My mate whos the first person I converted to Mafell instead of festool! He was thinking twice just because he had used mine and liked it and wanted to buy the same just cus he knew what it was like and was happy with what it could do and Mafell was unknown to him making it less appealing to him. Hes had Mafel MT55 for a few weeks or more now and told me he likes it! JMB |
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I assumed the price differences were comparable.
What is the reason more people don't own the Mafell then? For that price difference, I would have sprung for one. $300 - not as likely
I think (I do not know)that mafell de. have nothing to do with the marketing here in the Uk they do need to raise their profile(being overly polite) as I said earlier. |
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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2012, 07:18 PM » |
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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2012, 07:49 PM » |
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How many festool staff around the world are reading this thread? hi guys and girls Lol well, they should. I agree with others that releasing this new TS 55 R after Mafell's MT 55 is a mistake. Festool put the bar high with their original rail saws, now Mafell put the bar higher, and Festool should respond by putting the bar even higher. Festool is lucky Mafell is so incredibly unknown to the public. But that might change. |
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« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2012, 08:03 PM » |
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come on festool raise the bar . or at least meet it. there are cheap knock offs with better features.
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How many festool staff around the world are reading this thread? hi guys and girls Lol well, they should. I agree with others that releasing this new TS 55 R after Mafell's MT 55 is a mistake. Festool put the bar high with their original rail saws, now Mafell put the bar higher, and Festool should respond by putting the bar even higher. Festool is lucky Mafell is so incredibly unknown to the public. But that might change. I can see the sales brochure now ... The new Festool TS55R Track Saw ... Almost as good as a Mafell ... Most of the features of cheap saws ... Has an "R" in the name ... Umm ... Green ... Umm The marketing department will be thrilled! Though I bet it was the marketing department that wanted to "launch the R" - if I was in the engineering department I'd be embarrassed to call it any more than a running upgrade. |
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