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Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« on: August 16, 2015, 05:47 PM »
More and more I've been using my CT26 to clean my house -- makes the job nominally less distasteful.  Wondering how the Turbo suction brush performs on carpets vs. your standard vacuum cleaner with a beater bar (I have a 20 yr old Kenmore), and whether it's ultimately worth the $135?  Would also use it at jobsite on occasion -- would have come in handy today when I was staring at the dirty carpet in the courtroom I've been installing.

EDIT: Or at that price, should I consider stepping up to the Fein electric version?  http://www.amazon.com/Fein-PB350-Electric-Floor-Brush/dp/B00005Q7C1
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2015, 05:59 PM »
I have a ct midi setup with a 7 meter x 36mm hose, aluminum wand and the turbo suction brush at my house.

When I first got it I vacuumed the 2nd floor of my house with a regular vacuum, then revacuumed with the festool setup...  What a difference.  The festool picked up an amazing amount, especially considering I just vacuumed a few minutes prior.

Short version, yes it is worth it!!

Quick note, you MUST use a 36mm hose with this attachment.

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2015, 06:02 PM »
To echo what Ken said, while at Festool we would use the Turbo Brush to clean up at tradeshows where there was a lot of chips and fine dust (from demo'ing how effective dust extractors are by using the tool without it connected). It did a phenomenal job of cleaning up the carpets after each day.
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2015, 06:17 PM »
It's pricey, but if you're like me and work inside clients homes or any finished space, it's worth the price.  It's not so much that it works well (although it does), it's that I don't have to fool with oddball pieces to make it fit my Festool stuff.
 
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2015, 06:32 PM »
I will add that the turbo brush needs airflow which rules out the 27 mm hose.  Big hose rules and makes all the difference.  Tom has a video around with the sound differences (which relates to rotation and suction) between the smaller and larger hoses with the brush.

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2015, 07:11 PM »
Eureka maxi turbo brush is half the price, looks identical without the festool markings.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2015, 07:17 PM »
Eureka maxi turbo brush is half the price, looks identical without the festool markings.

^I like the way you think^.

I use a Miele job from a vacuum that carc'ed it, which can be stuffed onto the end of the CT26's hose.
It is a carpet attachement and does the job on carpets.

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2015, 08:25 PM »
Eureka maxi turbo brush is half the price, looks identical without the festool markings.

I'm not sure but I believe it has a different diameter connection than the Festool version.
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2015, 08:50 PM »
Man I just checked the price of that turbo brush in Aus, $278. Wonder how many of those they sell?
  I use a dyson turbo brush that came with the wife's vacuum cleaner that she didn't need. Just had to buy an adaptor for it. I'm sure if you contacted a vacuum specialised they could supply a turbo brush for a lot less.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2015, 08:53 PM »
Thanks.  Have the 36mm hose so no problem.  But does it work even better with the 50mm hose?
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2015, 09:56 PM »
Thanks.  Have the 36mm hose so no problem.  But does it work even better with the 50mm hose?

There is a diminishing return on size.

You want enough velocity to encourage the crap to work its way to to the vacuum (i.e. small diameter), but enough size to not be loosing energy to viscosity losses, nor getting log jams of debris (i.e. larger).

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2015, 11:03 PM »
Got it.  Thanks.


Thanks.  Have the 36mm hose so no problem.  But does it work even better with the 50mm hose?

There is a diminishing return on size.

You want enough velocity to encourage the crap to work its way to to the vacuum (i.e. small diameter), but enough size to not be loosing energy to viscosity losses, nor getting log jams of debris (i.e. larger).
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2015, 11:54 PM »
Eureka maxi turbo brush is half the price, looks identical without the festool markings.

That's interesting. Eureka is an Electrolux brand, I was pretty sure the Festool was one made by Nilfisk...given that almost all the other accessories are Nilfisk. You're right though, all three look identical. Maybe there's some cooperation on their end with parts sharing.

Unforunately the demo videos I've found on the internet aren't that impressive, it leaves a lot of the smaller dust behind, and even repeated passes don't help it seems. It doesn't seem to compare to my cordless Dyson, that's for sure.

edit this video:
nevermind, this doesn't seem to be the same vac head!



Miele has a few turbo brushes as well, which are highly regarded. I'm not sure how they all fall within the category though.

This Electrolux one looks pretty impressive for fine dust.

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2015, 01:12 AM »
I had used a turbo brush years ago and thought that it was better than a standard carpet head but when I got an electric powered head it was miles better than the turbo. Since then all of my vacuums have had a powered head. My Nilfisk head was made by a third party and sold as a Nilfisk accessory so I am sure that you would be able to find a powered head to fit the CT hose.

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2015, 01:41 AM »
@Bohdan How are you powering the head? Is it standard 240v?

Most the ones I've seen in this country have a special 2-prong interface for the powered heads, I'm unsure whether there's a transformer to convert to another voltage or if it's AC/DC. Are there heads available that are powered separately?

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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2015, 01:58 AM »
The Nilfisk head ran off a separate 230v cable which had a double adaptor to connect to the vac cord. The Dyson head is powered by a proprietary Dyson hose ie. the cord is inside the hose

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2015, 04:27 AM »
and whether it's ultimately worth the $135? 

There is little doubt it is a usefull item.

The question of whether it is really worth the $135 is seen in a whole different light when you realise that very same turbo brush without the Festool logo costs only €59,99 at my local vac shop.

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2015, 05:29 AM »
and whether it's ultimately worth the $135? 

There is little doubt it is a usefull item.

The question of whether it is really worth the $135 is seen in a whole different light when you realise that very same turbo brush without the Festool logo costs only €59,99 at my local vac shop.

You got it!

Which model is it?
I might need one as the Miele one is getting a bit dodgy, and I have had it apart a few times.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2015, 01:07 PM »
Which model is it?

It's from Nilfisk Alto. Called the Nilfisk 32mm Turbo Floor Nozzle.

Amazon has it for $89.

And here even cheaper for 68.

Don't know about it's availability in Australia.
 

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2015, 02:41 PM »
I just did a little searching on Amazon and then eBay.  Here is even a less expensive alternative and the eBay listing shows it ships from Australia.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-WESSEL-WERK-VACUUM-TURBO-HEAD-NOZZLE-FITS-32MM-ELECTROLUX-VAX-VOLTA-NILFISK-/271151121428?hash=item3f21ddc414


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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2017, 12:32 PM »
Bumping this thread as Im considering picking up the Turbo Suction Brush. Anyone go with the Nilfisk 32mm Turbo Floor Nozzle? Found it here (LINK) for $87 shipped, or even less from Zoro with a coupon and thinking of going that route to save about $50 over the Festool. Doesnt even look like Festool puts their logo on their version. Not that the logo would be worth $50, but still, exactly what am I paying extra for?


Also, has anyone tried the Fein PB350 Electric Floor Brush (LINK)? Do either of the Festool hoses fit it?
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2018, 01:24 AM »
Re-bumping this thread as our home vacuum cleaner met an untimely end. After ten passes failed to pick up a fruit loop on the carpet, our old Dyson made a graceful, aerial exit through our front door and onto the lawn, exploding into pieces.

I did a little more digging around on the Festool Turbo Nozzle as it seems to be the only good Festool attachment for carpet. I have the Festool 36mm aluminum industrial floor nozzle (452908) which is fantastic for flat floors but drags on medium-pile carpet, as does the 36mm polypropylene interchangeable floor nozzle included in the Festool 203430 Compact Cleaning Set.

Totally unwilling to pay $150 for the turbo nozzle, I hunted around and discovered that the Festool nozzle is simply a rebranded Wessel-Werk TK270 Turbo Nozzle. Availability in the U.S. seems to be spotty but a few websites had it listed for a fraction of the price of the Festool version. I believe the TK270 comes with a 32mm nozzle, which I'm not sure would fit the tool end of a D36 hose, but Bosch makes a 1-1/4 to 35mm adapter available on Amazon for $3.99.

Also, availability for the TK270 seems limited because it has been replaced by the newer TK284, which can be purchased on eBay for $35: https://www.ebay.com/itm/183214238140

So I ended up getting the TK284 for $35 and the Bosch adapter. We'll see if it all plugs together!

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2018, 06:33 AM »
Huh.  Give us a report when you get a chance to test it out.

Re-bumping this thread as our home vacuum cleaner met an untimely end. After ten passes failed to pick up a fruit loop on the carpet, our old Dyson made a graceful, aerial exit through our front door and onto the lawn, exploding into pieces.

I did a little more digging around on the Festool Turbo Nozzle as it seems to be the only good Festool attachment for carpet. I have the Festool 36mm aluminum industrial floor nozzle (452908) which is fantastic for flat floors but drags on medium-pile carpet, as does the 36mm polypropylene interchangeable floor nozzle included in the Festool 203430 Compact Cleaning Set.

Totally unwilling to pay $150 for the turbo nozzle, I hunted around and discovered that the Festool nozzle is simply a rebranded Wessel-Werk TK270 Turbo Nozzle. Availability in the U.S. seems to be spotty but a few websites had it listed for a fraction of the price of the Festool version. I believe the TK270 comes with a 32mm nozzle, which I'm not sure would fit the tool end of a D36 hose, but Bosch makes a 1-1/4 to 35mm adapter available on Amazon for $3.99.

Also, availability for the TK270 seems limited because it has been replaced by the newer TK284, which can be purchased on eBay for $35: https://www.ebay.com/itm/183214238140

So I ended up getting the TK284 for $35 and the Bosch adapter. We'll see if it all plugs together!
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2018, 09:53 AM »
Yes please do! I would love to know if that setup worked or not!
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2018, 12:26 PM »
The wessel werk TK270 is the same as the Festool one but with out the Festool
Sticker the sticker is worth £100 hence why Festool can charge £100+ for the turbo head.

I’ve got one and I’ve checked it with a Festool one and it’s identical.

I paid like £35 or something many years ago and it still working now.

It’s really powerful
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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2018, 12:42 PM »
Re-bumping this thread as our home vacuum cleaner met an untimely end. After ten passes failed to pick up a fruit loop on the carpet, our old Dyson made a graceful, aerial exit through our front door and onto the lawn, exploding into pieces.
Apart from being baffled that you discarded one where the motor was still running (when they stop to suck it's usually the motor filter that needs a good wash, all people I have met so far that claimed that their dyson 'sucks' skipped that part of the manual):
Depending on the type of dyson you possibly can recycle the air powered brush head for use with the CT VAC.

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2018, 12:52 PM »
I recently bought a Fein turbo II to use a home for $499.00 and got the electric power head free!  I works great.  I bought this, my fourth Fein (other three are in my shops pulling through steel Oneida cyclones). 

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2018, 01:31 PM »
I have a CT36 with a 36mm hose and the Festool Turbo brush, which I fortunately grabbed off of Ebay for $70. Our house vac is a Dyson Animal Ball Upright. There is NO comparison, the Dyson although lacking the suction of the CT, kicks the Festool head to the curb. Trying to vac a bathroom carpet the Festool constantly stops, where as the Dyson just keeps on spinning, as it is a powered head.

The point is an electrical powered head is superior to a vacuum powered head.

Want to vac your house...buy a Kirby! Want to clean up after a demo, buy a CT with a brush head.

The Dyson's best attribute is the fact it can be emptied after every vac, so there is no smell. My sister and mother both have Miele canister vacs with bags and they stink, especially since there is a dog in house. I won't be replacing my Dyson home vac anytime soon as it does a good enough job of cleaning. Cordless Dyson sticks are where it is at for home vacs! Bought my mom one and she doesn't even use her Miele anymore. Plus the Dyson Stick has a hardwood floor attachment.

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Re: Turbo Suction Brush (450644) -- Worth it?
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2018, 03:19 PM »
I have a CT36 with a 36mm hose and the Festool Turbo brush, which I fortunately grabbed off of Ebay for $70. Our house vac is a Dyson Animal Ball Upright. There is NO comparison, the Dyson although lacking the suction of the CT, kicks the Festool head to the curb. Trying to vac a bathroom carpet the Festool constantly stops, where as the Dyson just keeps on spinning, as it is a powered head.

The point is an electrical powered head is superior to a vacuum powered head.

Want to vac your house...buy a Kirby! Want to clean up after a demo, buy a CT with a brush head.

The Dyson's best attribute is the fact it can be emptied after every vac, so there is no smell. My sister and mother both have Miele canister vacs with bags and they stink, especially since there is a dog in house. I won't be replacing my Dyson home vac anytime soon as it does a good enough job of cleaning. Cordless Dyson sticks are where it is at for home vacs! Bought my mom one and she doesn't even use her Miele anymore. Plus the Dyson Stick has a hardwood floor attachment.

I have the total opposite experience.

Have the best dyson upright available at the time.

Regarding dogs dysons are pants

The Festool turbo or the identical alternative without the £100 sticker has loads of power it’s almost impossible to stop the spinning head brush

The Festool vacs handles any kinda dirt and dog hair no problem.

Only downside to the Festool vac is it’s size and it does blow out smell but regarding performance it kicks  over the dyson in every single way

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