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Offline Jungle8888

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I’m in Toronto Canada and someone local is selling. DF 500 q set with assorted tenon systainer with the bits
The onwer has a door and window businesse, he sent me some pics and they look to be in good condition and it is the newer model which doesn’t have the metal pins
He wants $1500 firm
I plan to have him do some test mortises and see if the tenons fit snug
Anything else I should look out for?
Is that a fair price and should I worry that it breaks down and I’m out $1100?

Thanks!
Paul
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 05:40 PM by Jungle8888 »

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Offline SS Teach

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 06:04 PM »
Just checked Amazon a new DF 500 Set is $990.00. The tenon systainer is $290. That’s U S $. Oh by the way with new you get a 3 year warranty. I’m not sure of the exchange rate. Good luck deciding.
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Offline Jungle8888

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 06:14 PM »
Just checked Amazon a new DF 500 Set is $990.00. The tenon systainer is $290. That’s U S $. Oh by the way with new you get a 3 year warranty. I’m not sure of the exchange rate. Good luck deciding.

Thanks, exchange is x1.2 and with shipping and border duties it’ll come to the same retail price here which is $1982

Offline montyss

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 06:55 PM »
What you have listed there retails with tax here for $2036.26 , it looks to be in very good condition but how many of the dominos are used up ? If your not going to use all the cutters and sizes of Dominos in the Systainer a option might just be to buy a brand new DF500 basic which is $1260 plus tax  then you would have a 3 year warranty and the ability to return it before the 30 days if for some reason you don't like it . I did get the complete DF500 set used with the cross and trim stop but haven't used either one of those on the Domino yet . Myself I'd get new unless he will drop some more off the price .

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 07:25 PM »
Here's my advice (my apologies, in advance, for the length of the following response):

I've come across all manner of used-tool sellers, ranging from totally honest and professional people to others who shouldn't be allowed to mingle with the public. Sadly, more often than not (at least nowadays), I'm encountering dishonest sellers. Therefore, here's the list of questions that I always make sure to ask the seller of a used Festool tool [accompanied by my italicized editorial comments]:

1) Are you the tool's sole original owner? [In my experience, often times less than scrupulous sellers will conveniently neglect to mention that they purchased the tool at a pawn shop or from an estate sale, meaning that a) they are obviously not the first owner and b) they have no idea how many owners the tool has had or what kind of use or service it may have experienced. To me, a tool's provenance is everything.]

2) If you are in fact the first and only owner, what month and year was the tool purchased? Also, was the tool purchased from an authorized Festool retailer and do you know if the tool was ever registered with Festool? [If I have any inkling that the tool may have been purchased from an entity located beyond the borders of North America I'll request that the seller confirm that the tool is a North American version.] 

3) Is the tool refurbished and/or has it ever been sent in for service or has service of any kind ever been attempted on it? [You wouldn't believe how common it is for sellers to leave out the fact that their tool is actually a refurbished model!]

4) If you are not the machine's first owner, please explain how you came to be in possession of it. [Here, I am trying to gain some assurance that the tool is not stolen property.]

5) What is the month and year of manufacture? [This info appears on the motor tag as a four digit code ("xx/xx". In the absence of a purchase date and if the tool was never registered, Festool will honor warranty claims based on the date of manufacture.]

6) What is the serial number? [With this info you can check the machine against any of the various online repositories of data on stolen goods. Obviously, a scratched-out serial number likely points to the tool being stolen.]

7) Does the machine or anything that accompanies it suffer from any known deficiencies? Examples include, but are not limited to, water and/or smoke damage, odd or concerning motor noises or smells, missing or broken parts, cracks, dents, tears, cuts, splits, mold, etc.

8. How was the machine used? For example, was it used by a weekend hobbyist in a home shop or onsite by a professional contractor? [Here, I am seeking info that will help me determine the maximum price that I am willing to pay for the used tool. A tool that doesn't have much life left has different value from one only used sparingly. That said, an eight year old tool that was only once or twice and only then shortly after purchase and has been sitting on a shelf ever since is worth less to me than a similarly aged tool that has seen light but regular use over its entire life. This is because, in the case of the former, there's little in the way of a proven track record to assure me that the tool isn't a lemon (or is otherwise harboring gremlins) - and because it lacks any warranty protection, this factor must be taken into account.]

9) What was the machine used to accomplish? [Here I am trying to gain some insight as t whether or not the tool was used responsibly. For example, I'd want to know if a prior owner had ever used it to plow mortises in concrete (hey, you never know!).]

10) Are you able to supply the original or an anonymized copy of the bill of sale?   

11) And, specific to a Domino, I would want to know that a) the fences are suitably flat and coplaner (or whatever the word is that describes the fences being properly aligned to each other - not twisted or racked, etc.) and d) that both the 0 degree and 90 degree fence settings are dead nuts. Moreover, I would want to make sure that all of the various locking mechanisms are functional and that no slop is present when everything is locked down.

12) Finally, if I could see and handle the tool - and aside from running it and trying it out on some material that I brought for the task - I would check the condition of the male and female ends of the Plug-It cord [I'm looking here for any tell-tale scorching around the interface that would point to a plug assembly that is about to fail.]     

Based upon all of the above I arrive at what I think is a fair price and I stick to it no matter the response from the seller, even going so far as to often share the logic I used to arrive at said value.

Here's the basis for my logic:

When I am debating the purchase of a new Festool (over a used Festool), I always deduct the retail value of the included systainer (assuming it ships with one), the value of the free shipping to my door and I attribute some value to the 30-day return window and the 3-year warranty (the latter two of which I consider as insurance or peace of mind). Note - the value I attribute for the "insurance" is dependent ipon the amount of use I am projecting that the tool will see over the coming three years. The more use, the more value I attribute to it. Also, I attribute some additional value to the long trip it took in a container from Germany prior to its arrival on these shores and I account for the non-sweatshop nature of the tool's production (which, for me, is huge).

Now, since you're looking at a used DF500, I'll use that as an example:

I see that the current retail price for a brand new version in Canada is CDN$2036. Were I were thinking about buying a brand new version, I would right off the bat deduct, say, CDN$450 from that price to arrive at the value of the tool minus the systainer, the "insurance" and the free shipping (after all, nothing is truly "free"). Doing this helps greatly in coming to terms with what is often serious sticker shock. If I then consider, say, a lightly used version of the same tool from a local-to-me seller, I won't offer anything more than $1170. Now, the problem with offering less than this, is Festool's excellent resale value. Remember, you're competing with many buyers, most of which will fail in accomplishing their due diligence and many of which will have bought into the notion that even a 10% reduction in the price from new makes a used tool a good buy. FWIW in many cases I would have to disagree with this opinion.

Anyways, if the seller is reasonable and if the tool is a good find I would buy it (assuming that their asking price is set at or below the highest amount I am willing to offer). If, on the other hand, their asking price is too high, I would submit my offer along with the logic I used to arrive at same. Put simply, I would deduct various amounts from the price of a new tool (or, rather, the derived value of a new tool - meaning the retail price minus the insurance, free shipping, etc.) for anything that detracts from the value. Now, if my offer amount doesn't jive with what the seller is willing to accept, I simply move on.

OK, what I haven't admitted until now is that when it comes to Festool tools in the North American market, often there is no good alternative to buying new. That said, there is an attractive workaround that can make purchasing a new tool more palatable. If you'd like to know what it is, you can private message me.

I hope this helps. :)
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 07:59 PM by TinyShop »

Offline jzhu

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 11:35 PM »
It looks in good condition, but If I was you, I would buy brand new DF500 set from https://www.ultimatetools.ca/products/domino-joiner-df-500, you pay 6% tax instead of 13% in Ontario because you are not resident of B.C.

And I would buy the tenon assortment from Amazon.de

https://www.amazon.de/Festool-D%C3%BCbel-Set-D%C3%BCbel-Sortiment-Sortiment-Systainer-498899/dp/B0073E5N8U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1518582499&sr=8-2&keywords=festool+domino
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 11:39 PM by jzhu »

Offline Mikeoutrage

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2018, 05:31 AM »
Man. Looks like a good reason to do a weekend trip across the border and maybe see the Niagara Falls [smile]

Offline jzhu

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2018, 10:39 AM »
Man. Looks like a good reason to do a weekend trip across the border and maybe see the Niagara Falls [smile]

It would be more expensive buying in states, and bring it back to Canada based on the current currency exchange rate and double tax. It was worth the trip when the Canadian dollar was on par with US dollar. I am sure OP has seen enough Niagara Falls.

US$990 x 1.09 (tax in N.Y) x 1.28 (exchange rate) = 1381

Then 1381 x 1.13 (Ontario tax when bring it back) =  CAD$ 1560

In Ontario, 1370 x 1.13 = CAD$ 1548.1

James

Offline Jungle8888

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2018, 07:42 PM »
Thank you very much montyss, TinyShop, jzhu, Mikeoutrage

@TinyShop - I will use your notes every time I plan to buy used festool, I appreciate very much you taking the time to write them.
I went over my tool budget and do not anticipate to get more festool but I will message you if I do :)

@Mikeoutrage - i'd have to stay for 2 nights to be able to get it across without duties :(

@jzhu - yes, i was planning to buy off ultimate tools because of the 6% tax, I wish I knew when i got my CT36 and TS55..

I went to see it last night and the seller has a shop, well equipped with the green stuff.

We did some tests, looked and tool and fence felt in good condition, the female/male end of the plug-it cord were in good condition.

The manufacturing date is February 2016, he doesn't have the bill of sale as he is the second owner.  He told me that if there are any issues, to call him and he would help me... he seems like a genuine guy, so I pull the trigger @$1500
Hopefully, I will have many years of use without any issues.

Would I be able to register or if there are any issues later on, would I be able to get it warrantied since it is less than 3 years old?

Offline TinyShop

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 10:46 PM »
The good news is the standard U.S. and Canada 3-year warranty rides with the tool. So, you sir, are the proud owner of a lightly used Domino with at least 1 full year left on the warranty! If the seller happens to have a copy of the first owner's original bill of sale (a.k.a. "receipt") it's likely that you would gain even more warranty time (since date of manufacturer is, in most cases, earlier than the date of purchase). If not, you can check to see if the tool is already registered with Festool Canada. If it's not, then Festool will determine the length of any remaining warranty from the tool's date of manufacture.

I'd say you did well on this one! :) Congrats and welcome to the green madness! ;) 

Offline Jungle8888

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Re: Used festool domino DF500 set + tenon systainer with all bits
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2018, 07:24 AM »
The good news is the standard U.S. and Canada 3-year warranty rides with the tool. So, you sir, are the proud owner of a lightly used Domino with at least 1 full year left on the warranty! If the seller happens to have a copy of the first owner's original bill of sale (a.k.a. "receipt") it's likely that you would gain even more warranty time (since date of manufacturer is, in most cases, earlier than the date of purchase). If not, you can check to see if the tool is already registered with Festool Canada. If it's not, then Festool will determine the length of any remaining warranty from the tool's date of manufacture.

I'd say you did well on this one! :) Congrats and welcome to the green madness! ;)

Yay!! 🕺🏻 😀

Thank you Sir!