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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2016, 09:01 AM »
@ByoBuzz
I think the combination that you've outlined should work fine, however the litmus test is to purchase, assemble and then test. If you use Parker hose, the RF-254-6PL can be used without a hose clamp. If you're not using Parker hose, I'd probably try the RF-254-6HB and use a small worm gear hose clamp. Ideal is another manufacturer of good stainless hose clamps.

http://idealtridon.com/aftermarket/

Parker says that the 254 series is supposed to be interchangeable with the European high flow QD standard.

I assume you're trying to use the Festool hose with a different vacuum pump. Make sure the QD you're using is rated for vacuum service. Most QD's are not.

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2016, 12:14 PM »
I've never been a "supposed to use" kinda guy.  I've been using standard Milton 1/4" compressed air dis-connects and Goodyear rubber hose for 20+ years on my pattern vac jigs and am using them with my Vac Sys' and never had an issue and I've made thousands of pieces this way.  I'm not so sure that the new flexible polyurethane hoses would hold there shape however.

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2016, 01:10 PM »
rst,
I agree with you...I'm a fan of Milton "P" style QD's and yellow Goodyear hose. That's been my combo for over 30 years. Changed to the "P" style so I could also shoot HVLP and make my life easier.

I was really surprised when Parker didn't rate their QD for vacuum service. Even their polyester coupler, which would be their answer to Festo/Festool, is not rated for vacuum service. Both couplers are supposed to be European interchangeable yet they aren't rated for the same service.

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2016, 10:31 PM »
The Vac Sys Clamping Module connects to the Excel 5 pump with no problems... All seems to work as expected although more testing is needed.  - Chris

 

 

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2016, 11:46 PM »
My excel 5 shows up this Friday  [big grin]
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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2016, 01:09 AM »
Let the games begin...

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2016, 01:21 AM »
The Vac Sys Clamping Module connects to the Excel 5 pump with no problems... All seems to work as expected although more testing is needed.  - Chris

 

 

Sweet. Can you go over any connections you needed to buy to connect the hoses from the clamp to the pump? How is the holding power with this pump?

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2016, 09:42 AM »
@Cheese - I took cheese advice and order Parker European fittings which seems to work fine.  You really only need one.

Parker RF-254-4MP

Excel 5 Pump

An upgraded extended manifold can be bought for an extra $45 which is not needed although it does provide many more connection options.  I bought it and highly recommend it.

Note that the pump does NOT have an on/off switch.  It runs when plugged in.  It stops when unplugged.   

The holding power using the Festool clamping module is amazing.  Seems to be working as expected.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2016, 09:46 AM by ByoBuzz »

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2016, 12:16 PM »
too late for me but free shipping this Monday at Veneer Supplies ...


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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2016, 04:31 PM »
Bumping for the free shipping today - I just ordered my pump.

@ByoBuzz  - which manifold did you get?  I see a $25 one on the veneer site, but not a $45 one.  What benefits does it provide?
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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2016, 06:05 PM »
@jdm5   For an extra $45, you can add additional connections for a vacuum bag, podz, etc.  I'm impress with this pump and how quiet it is. plus how powerful it is..  Everything seems to be working well.  Remember that the Festool clamping module uses European connections ...   


I've also added an on/off switch --> http://www.amazon.com/Master-Electrician-6-Feet-Extension-Outlets/dp/B000W65LO2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00

 
« Last Edit: May 23, 2016, 06:09 PM by ByoBuzz »

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2016, 12:48 PM »
Hi Chris,

Do you happen to know what the specs are for the vacuum valve that comes with the additional connections. I ended up not getting the extended kit with the excel, but want to add the Vac Sys to it. I'm assuming that if I get one of the vacuum valves, I can then attach the Parker RF-254-4MP. Given that I'm on the west coast, I'd like to find a local supplier for the vacuum valve rather than have one valve sent from the east coast.

Thanks,

Yoav

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2016, 04:30 PM »
Unfortunately I don't know the specification for the valves .. Plus I could not find any part numbers on them ... Sorry..     

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2016, 10:06 PM »
Thanks for checking. I bought some simple 1/4" NPT valves and they work great.

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2016, 08:27 AM »
Could someone with the Excel 5 + VAC-SYS-head combo comment on how the system handles itself in the event of power loss? I’m inclined to think that unlike Festool’s pump, this setup drops suction quicker since the Excel pump doesn’t have the so called “metal tub frame” to store the pressure.

Has anyone tried unpluging their Excel 5 pump with a workpiece clamped in? Does it hold for a few extra seconds?

This is the only concern stopping me from jumping onboard with an Excel 5 order.

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2016, 09:24 AM »
Could someone with the Excel 5 + VAC-SYS-head combo comment on how the system handles itself in the event of power loss? I’m inclined to think that unlike Festool’s pump, this setup drops suction quicker since the Excel pump doesn’t have the so called “metal tub frame” to store the pressure.

Just use the internal vacuum cavity that's on the underside of the SE 1 or SE 2 clamping module. You'll just need to mount it on a piece of metal, plastic, formica or phenolic to maintain the vacuum level.

See this post for details.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/vac-sys-vacuum-decay-times/msg458918/#msg458918

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2016, 02:22 AM »
Hey Kriss,

I haven't measured the exact time, but having used this set up for a couple of weeks I can say that the vacuum certainly holds long enough to respond to any issue that may arise if the pump stops working. In other words, if you are working on something and the power goes out, you will have plenty of time to put away any tools before the piece is released. Hope this helps.

Yoav

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2016, 08:53 AM »
I have this setup too and totally agree Yoav answer...

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2016, 10:24 AM »
Thanks for the help, everyone. You've given me confidence in the pairing. I've sent Joe my order!

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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2016, 11:27 AM »

Thanks for the help, everyone. You've given me confidence in the pairing. I've sent Joe my order!
Excellent! We'll be looking forward to an entertaining, informative video review in the next several weeks! ;)
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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2016, 07:15 PM »
Thanks for the help, everyone. You've given me confidence in the pairing. I've sent Joe my order!

Hi @Kriss,
Yes, please do a video on the Excel 5 + VAC-SYS-head combo.  I am interested in going this route too, if the money saved is significant and the tool still works properly.

Please mention what fittings you used to integrate the Excel pump with the VAC-SYS fittings.  I am unclear on what additional items I would need to buy.

Thanks! 

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #51 on: June 30, 2016, 07:31 PM »

Hi @Kriss,
Yes, please do a video on the Excel 5 + VAC-SYS-head combo.  I am interested in going this route too, if the money saved is significant and the tool still works properly.

Please mention what fittings you used to integrate the Excel pump with the VAC-SYS fittings.  I am unclear on what additional items I would need to buy.

Thanks!

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #52 on: June 30, 2016, 07:36 PM »
Thanks.  That is worthwhile.  I could buy another tool for that.   [big grin]


Hi @Kriss,
Yes, please do a video on the Excel 5 + VAC-SYS-head combo.  I am interested in going this route too, if the money saved is significant and the tool still works properly.

Please mention what fittings you used to integrate the Excel pump with the VAC-SYS fittings.  I am unclear on what additional items I would need to buy.

Thanks!

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #53 on: June 30, 2016, 10:34 PM »
Hi @Kriss,
Yes, please do a video on the Excel 5 + VAC-SYS-head combo.  I am interested in going this route too, if the money saved is significant and the tool still works properly.

Please mention what fittings you used to integrate the Excel pump with the VAC-SYS fittings.  I am unclear on what additional items I would need to buy.

Thanks!

I should clarify that I actually ordered the Excel 1 pump. The lower noise level of that unit was particularly appealing. I'm fairly confident it's still got enough CFM to pull in a good vacuum and work just as well with the VAC-SYS. I'll be sure to report my findings :)

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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2016, 08:19 PM »
Reviving this thread - finally hooked up the Excel 5 pump with the VAC-SYS - it works great!  You need one Parker RF-254-4MP (I got mine from Zoro, pick your favorite vendor).

I had purchased the complete kit (pump + two head units), and now can separate the two head units and they work perfectly independently.  The only other purchase required for that use case (having the SE2 head unit) is the foot pedal - Festool 580063 but it's $100.  If you buy the SE1 kit you won't have this problem as it includes the foot pedal (I should have just bought two SE1's in hindsite).

Anyone have any ideas on an alternative foot pedal / pressure release?  Could use a ball valve but I like the foot pedal release idea.
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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2017, 05:16 PM »
Bumping this up as I'm looking to pair either an Excel 1 or 5 with the clamping module.  @Kriss - any update on how the smaller and quieter Excel 1 worked out?
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« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2017, 06:58 PM »
I have both, I even have the original excel 5.

The excel 1is s not  be good near as good as the Excel 5 for clamping anything or vac bagging larger items sat larger than 4 foot by 4 foot.

The excel 5 newest model is so small and quiet I could not believe the difference in sound verse the older Excel 5 and any of of my other numerous pumps. 

Just get that Excel 5 you wont be sorry. I find these are great for vac pressing using a bag and love mine, as far as clamping work down to router material etc for me the vac sys and the like are  great in theory, but turned out to be nothing more than a fun toy and more trouble than it was worth.

I have boxes of almost every type vac hold down you can think of from many major brand as well as DIY, all the stuff sits on shelves now.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 07:09 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2017, 07:05 PM »
I have both, I even have the original excel 5.

The excel 1is s not  be good near as good as the Excel 5 for clamping anything or vac bagging larger items sat larger than 4 foot by 4 foot.

The excel 5 newest model is so small and quiet I could not believe the difference in sound verse the older Excel 5 and any of of my other numerous pumps. 

Just get that Excel 5 you wont be sorry.

Thanks...
Does the Excel 5 run continuously while vac clamping or does it cycle on and off as needed?  I know it's a "continuous running" pump but wasn't sure if that means it CAN or it DOES.  I believe the Festool pump comes on as necessary?
I ask only because even as it's pretty quiet, I'd like to know if I'm going to be listening to that 63db constantly while clamping or only intermittently.
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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2017, 07:13 PM »
I have both, I even have the original excel 5.

The excel 1is s not  be good near as good as the Excel 5 for clamping anything or vac bagging larger items sat larger than 4 foot by 4 foot.

The excel 5 newest model is so small and quiet I could not believe the difference in sound verse the older Excel 5 and any of of my other numerous pumps. 

Just get that Excel 5 you wont be sorry.

Thanks...
Does the Excel 5 run continuously while vac clamping or does it cycle on and off as needed?  I know it's a "continuous running" pump but wasn't sure if that means it CAN or it DOES.  I believe the Festool pump comes on as necessary?
I ask only because even as it's pretty quiet, I'd like to know if I'm going to be listening to that 63db constantly while clamping or only intermittently.

NO its not cycling, this is just a pump, you would have to make it a cycling system and really if you want that why get this pump?. I actually prefer non cycling. It's simpler, there is nothing other than the pump to worry about and it will last pretty much forever for a hobbyist, mine has proven this using it for work 24/7. It's plug and play, if I was to get a pin hole in the bag it's not a huge deal because it draws faster than the bag can leak and again it's so very quiet it being on doesn't bother me at all.

I never used a pump this powerful, this small in size, that was quiet enough to  not require hearing protection. I can watch tv or talk to someone or just do paperwork in the shop without having hearing protection on just because the pump is running. It really is amazing how quiet it is. I thought it was a joke when I opened up the box and turned it on for the first time. The Excel 5 looked like a toy, but it's proven it's definitely not.

« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 07:37 PM by Dovetail65 »
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Re: Vacuum Pump for VAC-SYS
« Reply #59 on: August 12, 2017, 01:08 PM »
Bumping this up as I'm looking to pair either an Excel 1 or 5 with the clamping module.  @Kriss - any update on how the smaller and quieter Excel 1 worked out?

My thoughts: the excel 1 was louder than I expected (louder than the Festool pump), but I have no complaints regarding its suction capacity. My setup has the pump inside a closet and I run a hose out to the VAC-SYS - so the noise becomes a non-issue.

I haven't seen an excel 5 to compare. I'm happy with my excel 1 so ultimately I'm pretty sure you can't go wrong with either pump!