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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2014, 08:40 PM »
Agreed! Long time before we see this particular tool. If it does turn out to be a Fein clone, I'd probably be inclined to get the Supercut anyways, a tried and tested machine with a long track record.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2014, 09:19 PM »
I will say that plunge base does look nice we just have to wait and see.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2014, 10:23 PM »


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And no response to a battery powered TrackSaw, interesting, given the number of times this has come up in the thread, I Wish Festool Made . . . ,.  ?  [unsure]
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2014, 10:48 PM »
I am quite curious about what would make the Vecturo better than the Fein offerings.  Fein has been the defacto standard in the multi-tool market for quite some time and while Festool makes outstanding tools, I doubt they could unseat Fein as the leader in this category.

On the cordless track saw, I just don't get this one.  Cordless by itself seems somewhat counterproductive since one of the major benefits of Festool is the dust collection and to get this, you have to hook a hose with a dust extractor to the saw.  If this was a hoseless cordless saw with great dust collection, that would be something to get excited about.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2014, 11:14 PM »
I'd say there certainly are instances where a cordless accurate tracksaw would be a benefit to some, but it all comes down to performance and how long the batteries last. What's good is that this saw seems to use standard festool batteries,  it does look a little bulky though.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2014, 11:48 PM »

"On the cordless track saw, I just don't get this one.  Cordless by itself seems somewhat counterproductive since one of the major benefits of Festool is the dust collection and to get this, you have to hook a hose with a dust extractor to the saw.  If this was a hoseless cordless saw with great dust collection, that would be something to get excited about."

C'mon what about all those times you need to hop up a ladder with your track and saw and don't want to bother with the cord!

Just kidding of course, and I'm sure many can think of strange ways they have used their track saws where a quick cut could be convenient. Isn't that a dust bag attached to the TS in the picture?

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2014, 01:06 AM »
The dust extraction on the TSC 55 is exceptional with the bag. It will run off one or two batteries. The cut speed is at least as fast as the corded model, if not more so. Also, very good run time.

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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2014, 01:17 AM »
The dust extraction on the TSC 55 is exceptional with the bag. It will run off one or two batteries. The cut speed is at least as fast as the corded model, if not more so. Also, very good run time.



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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2014, 02:25 AM »
What's the amplitude on the Multimaster?
Because 2 degrees sounds crap

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I believe the SuperCut Automotive has the 1.6° amplitude also. The SuperCut Construction has the 2.0°.

I own a Fein have for many years .  

I was just asking because I know what amplitude was just never knew what the spec was of it .

So when neelemen said that supercut at 4 and festool had 2 I was shocked because I know the Fein is perfect at cutting so if festool decided to reduce the amplitude I was thinking it was likely going to be crap

I have used many other brands and many reasons they are not as good as a Fein is because of the mplitude. I'm sure.  

When I have used other brands I always said its like the cutting strokes are not long enough etc.

Hence why I wanted to know what the multimaster was because that's the one I own and it cuts perfectly fine .
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2014, 02:57 AM »
The dust extraction on the TSC 55 is exceptional with the bag. It will run off one or two batteries. The cut speed is at least as fast as the corded model, if not more so. Also, very good run time.
You can see the two batteries in the picture - presumably both 18 v ?

How does the dust bag work? Is it paper and gets thrown away or cloth and gets emptied?

I have had countless experiences where I've needed to do just one cut up on a roof or in an attic and the freedom that this might offer looks pretty good.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2014, 04:29 AM »
Well I'm not blown away by either of those and I was expecting to be!

I'm also less than impressed with the rubbish MFT/3 station for the new Edge Bander.

C'mon Festool ... I don't want to think you've had your moment in the sun [mad] [sad]

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2014, 04:35 AM »
I am quite curious about what would make the Vecturo better than the Fein offerings.  Fein has been the defacto standard in the multi-tool market for quite some time and while Festool makes outstanding tools, I doubt they could unseat Fein as the leader in this category.

As it appears the vecturo may be made by or with technology from fein, the basic vecturo comes with just one universal blade and a systainer, this could mean it could be comparable in price to the basic supercut which runs at €460 incl VAT here. Which makes it cost about as much as a T15 or TS55R. I would personally be surprised if it cost more than a TSR.

If this is so and people are on the market for a powerful multitool, then why not go for the one that comes in a systainer with plug it, and has a range of unique accessories available. I like my Fein, but it's a PITA when not in use, plug it has made me hate tools with cords, and the fein suitcase they put their tools in is ridiculously over sized. first thing i did was throw mine in a ys 1 together with a dremel, that's two similar tools in a box half the fein's size, and i have all the accs in the attic lid.

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Offline jonathan-m

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2014, 04:56 AM »
I think the cordless TS55R might become a real hit, provided the guys already use Festool drills.

I do fashion store interiors mostly and most of the other contractors I encounter here in Belgium already use a Festool TS55. Even though they all have a vaccuum with them (mainly Starmix or CT26), I almost never see anyone attaching it to their saw. They just hold their hand behind the dust port. Seems like a vaccuum hose is just too much trouble for most or they just don't care about collecting the dust at the source. Seems they rather do a general cleanup at the end of the day.

I also see almost exclusively Hilti & Metabo used for drills. So if Festool can get them off those and on Festool drills, I can see this becoming real viable for them.
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2014, 05:11 AM »
I recently bought the quaddrive PDC. I've had it 3 weeks and used it to some extent everyday and I'm still on my first battery haven't had to charge it at all. So it seems Festool have really made a big step forward in this area whether it's the battery or super efficient motors but I certainly will add the saw to my list. I won't replace my fein MM until festool do a battery version but it looks good.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2014, 06:04 AM »
If TSC 55 has strong performance in run time and power (batteries and motor) and I like the way it 'test drives' I'll go for it.  I can't remember the last time I used one of my corded drills!

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2014, 06:21 AM »
For on site work in new construction, I always use a dust bag for my ts55 I pulled off an old rigid tool.  It works great, and saves me the hassle of dragging up a vacuum.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2014, 06:30 AM »
I like my Fein, but it's a PITA when not in use, plug it has made me hate tools with cords, and the fein suitcase they put their tools in is ridiculously over sized.

I understand from some teaser photos I've seen that Fein may be swapping to orange T-locs.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2014, 07:01 AM »
Duh, been asking here for a Festool multitool for years, and 5 months after I get a Fein they come with this ..... ::)

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2014, 07:06 AM »

I understand from some teaser photos I've seen that Fein may be swapping to orange T-locs.

here you can get a Fein in T-loc but i don't think it is "official", more likely a special order from the dealer.

i wasn't initially thrilled by a cordless plunge saw, but after thinking about it i realize i only use mine for short periods. As i have a panel saw in my workshop i only use the TS for special work or on site adaptations. All stuff well within the range of cordless.

I wonder if the other name festool patented "sysclean" would not be a cordless vac the size of a systainer, maybe festool is planning a complete cordless range for site work?
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2014, 07:06 AM »
I like my Fein, but it's a PITA when not in use, plug it has made me hate tools with cords, and the fein suitcase they put their tools in is ridiculously over sized.

I understand from some teaser photos I've seen that Fein may be swapping to orange T-locs.

No it's only a temporarily offer with the SuperCut machines.
And I heard from the Dutch Fein sales person that there will be no empty Fein systainers for sale.
And the offer is only for the period of 01-03 untill 30-06-2014.
If we complain a lot maybe Fein will consider to sell them separately?
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2014, 08:25 AM »
It will surprise me a lot if Festool does not have some innovation not present in the Fein SuperCut.  I can't think of any other Festool tool that did not have some "extra" when it was introduced to the market.
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2014, 09:20 AM »
You can see the two batteries in the picture - presumably both 18 v ?

How does the dust bag work? Is it paper and gets thrown away or cloth and gets emptied?

Like I said, runs off either a single or dual batteries for a total potential of 36v. I believe it uses either 15v or 18v batteries but not 12v, probably due to lack of ample juice to power it adequately.

The dust bag is cloth with a zipper. There's an integrated cap that can be used to cap it off when not attached to the saw. The dust port has been redesigned on the TSC so that the "nozzle" can be disconnected and the dust bag can attach with a positive locking mechanism rather than sliding on.

Some of the final refinements are different than the prototype tool I've used and I haven't seen the final production model in person, only photos.

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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2014, 09:37 AM »
The dust extraction on the TSC 55 is exceptional with the bag.

Any estimate on effectiveness compared to using a vac?  50% as good?  70%?

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« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2014, 09:49 AM »
Any estimate on effectiveness compared to using a vac?  50% as good?  70%?

Very close to that of the corded model. I don't have any exact specifications and that's just based on my observations. I suspect Germany will release a more exact figure with the same methodology used to measure other tools, which is to weigh a piece of lumber, make a bunch of cuts, then weigh the lumber and captured dust to calculate the percentage captured.

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« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2014, 10:01 AM »
So I'm going to guess since you have been playing with the TSC that it's going to be introduced in NA. Very cool.
I'm scared to see what it's going to cost.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2014, 10:02 AM »
Here is a comparison between the TS 55 R and the TSC 55.
TS 55 REQ/TS 55 REBQ
Idle engine speed 2,000-5,200 min-1
TSC 55
2x18V battery 2,650 – 5,200 min-1
1x18V battery 2,650 – 3,800 min-1

Conclusion specs on paper are the same between TS 55 R and TSC 5 with 36V batteries.
Now we need to know how it performs in practise.
Please Festool show us some YouTube examples.

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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2014, 01:19 PM »
The plunge base on the Vecturo look great, BUT i was surprised  that there is NO dust collection built in?
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2014, 01:25 PM »
I'm scared to see what it's going to cost.

Based on the fact that it's so similar to the mains version in terms of component type and count, I'd be unhappy if the 'naked' version cost more than the mains version +5%. For a set, take the mains version price and add the cost of 2 batteries & a charger.
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Re: VECTURO multitool and TSC 55 cordless saw photos and details
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2014, 01:55 PM »
I would buy the TSC-55 as soon as it came out, if it would run on Mafell rails.

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« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2014, 02:41 PM »
Based on the fact that it's so similar to the mains version in terms of component type and count, I'd be unhappy if the 'naked' version cost more than the mains version +5%. For a set, take the mains version price and add the cost of 2 batteries & a charger.

It's a DC motor versus an AC motor.

And, I think it will come with two chargers, but I'm not positive. There's room for two batteries and two of the compact TCL chargers in the Systainer.