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Offline Jim_in_PA

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2019, 10:36 AM »

I get the impression using one machine will become too much of a compromise.

IMHO, this is an accurate statement. I prefer to use the "heavy" drill/drivers only for tasks where the extra power and stoutness is required. I have three Festool D/Ds (plus an older DeWalt) and my most used Festool is the tiny CSX. It's light-weight, surprisingly powerful and easy to control for one-hand use. That's for both in-shop tasks and home improvement stuff, too. I don't get tired as fast when there is a lot of ordinary drilling/driving going on that way.
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Offline Chinski

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2019, 12:29 PM »
Yikes, and I was thinking of moving from my Dewalt hammer drill DCD996 + impact driver DCF887 combo to Festool and turned to this thread to decide which ones!

While I think they're a fantastic combo - my feeling was that all my other Festool tools made their predecessors look like kids toys so I'd find the same with the drills / drivers.  Well this thread has made me think again. 

Tell me, do Festool have an impact driver in the way that my Dewalt DCF887 literally whacks the screw / bolt round or do they simply rely on high torque (which admittedly gives better control)?

Well, there's a few $$$ saved anyway.

Thanks all!

Offline Jmacpherson

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2019, 02:46 PM »
@Chinski - there is a new Festool impact driver on a list of products for 2019 that was leaked/discovered, check the 2019 thread. Nobody knows when this year, what it will be like or how much damage it will do to ones wallet.

Don't be too quick to discard your DCD996 or DCF887. Ergonomically they have one of the best grips on the market.

In response to the thread I've changed my tune a little, use to swear by the PDC, nice drill but not my go to anymore:

PDC is mainly used for making custom pocket hole plugs - 3800rpm is fantastic for this
T18 is my go to 18v drill for general projects and even stuff around the house
CXS is for small odd little screws
DCD996 is my "dirty" drill - used to mix paint, really large holes, all the messy jobs. 

I wish the T18 had more rpm, like 1800-2000 instead of 1500. (Problem when you have to speed monsters in your arsenal)


Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2019, 06:44 PM »
Most impact drivers have way higher speed for screws, I really like them for construction even when I don't do huge bolts. E.g. my simple Bosch GDR-12V has 2600RPM. You generally only need/want the the higher speed for rougher construction and larger screws anyway, I wouldn't use it for very small screws or cabinetry.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2019, 06:47 PM by Sanderxpander »

Offline unixisgoodforyou

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2019, 11:47 PM »
I own a T18+set.  As an all around drill it is very well made and will do most homeowner tasks.  The right angle and eccentric(sp?) attachments are awesome. I really appreciate the electronic clutch.  Every time I use it, there is a smile on my face. (My other drill is a cheap handme down lead acid hammer drill.). The Bosch was not available, when I bought my T18.

If I was to buy something today, I would look at the 12V Bosch flexiclick.  It isn’t as powerful, and isn’t brushless.  But it should do the job for a lot less shekels.  (I don’t have any other plans for other cordless tools from Festool.)
 RWW

Offline Reiska

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2019, 07:47 AM »
By far my most used Festoy drill is the CXS (though I would probably prefer a TXS had it been available when I bought my CXS). About 99% of my use is covered with this little beauty from installing stuff to drilling medium sized screws. Light, nible ja small with excellent tight space utility.

Then I skipped the middle sizes for a PDC which I don't use often, but when I need power there is boat loads of it and the gearbox makes it very versatile for the odd large jobs. Maybe a T18 would be 'smoother' but if pure grunt is needed this is nice to have. If I need more power I'll go to my ½" bolt wrench to tighten lag bolts and such as the impact action is easier on the wrist than the PDC.

If I had concrete I would get an BHC for that, but since the only time I need to worry about hard concrete is when doing installation for friends at their houses I usually use their Makita hammer drill which serves well the need once every couple of years to put a painting up or attach a bookshelf to the wall, etc. Living in a light concrete house where one can make holes in the wall with my CXS (or a teaspoon for that matter) I don't really have a need for BHC.  [wink]

I also own the now discontinued epic fail of a Festool the Ti15 impact drill. Works just fine, but is rather limited to decking work and it is apparently underpowered for what it is compared to the market. Built a deck with it but hasn't seen use since. The adapter thingy in it to disengage the impact function makes it awfully clunky and tip heavy.

The sky's the limit in my workshop, literally. [big grin]

Offline Sanderxpander

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2019, 04:46 PM »
To the OP, you're probably not in The Netherlands but if you're close, the T18 is on sale right now with 2 3.1V Bluetooth enabled batteries, a fast charger and a systainer for 250 ex VAT at bouwmaat.nl
No attachments though, but a better price than I've seen anywhere else except for bare body versions.

Online Cheese

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2019, 11:02 PM »
@Cheese The electronic clutch on the T and C drills are something of a mystery to me. 

Raj, so here's another great example of at least 2 drilling needs.

The First need is to have multiple drills.
The CXS is outfitted with a 5/16" bit to enlarge holes in multiple garage door steel brackets.
The C 15 is outfitted with a socket to properly torque down the new carriage bolts.
The Milwaukee is outfitted with a 12-point socket to remove the SQUARE nuts that are rusted to the old carriage bolts.

Looking at all the different sizes of bits that need to be used, with only a single drill you'd spend 6 hours at this project. Constantly chucking and un-chucking the drill bits & drivers.

The Second need is to be able to reliably/repeatably torque down the new stainless fasteners. 38 of them in all, 114 torque checks because I checked each one 3 times and 114 beeps...sweet.

I wish the CXS would be upgraded to brushless with an electronic clutch.  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]



Online Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2019, 02:37 AM »
Drills are something we have in abundance, our work is so varied we have to try and cover any scenario.
We have little tiny 10.8 volt drills and drivers, up to very big mains powered drills for boring into thick concrete.
As always, I think when buying tools you have to look at both ends of the scale, for what they will be used for.
In a workshop environment, I often make do with an 18 volt drill driver, and an 18 volt impact driver.
If doing a large project with different types of drill size and fixings, we often have multiple cordless drills and drivers set up. This is a more convenient and quicker way of working for us.

We don’t own many Festool cordless drills, simply because we need so many, and obviously the cost for what we need would be substantial. Also they do not cover the drill or driver types that we need.
Oil pulse impact drivers is one example.

Online RKA

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2019, 07:30 AM »
@Cheese you don’t need to convince me!  I think the OP might need a little push though.   [wink]
-Raj

Online elfick

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2019, 05:12 PM »
So, other than masonry, is there something the PDC can do that the C/T18 can't? Or something that it can do significantly better?

I'm hopping in on this conversation because I've been taking inventory and I'm thinking about selling my T15/TI15 and getting a C18 or PDC (to standardize on 18v batteries).

Offline ScotF

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2019, 10:16 PM »
Pdc light concrete or masonry. C18 has offset chuck for corners or inside edges. PDC is faster with 4 speed gearbox and more torque. C18 is lighter and great at furniture and cabinets.

Offline Tim3100

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2019, 04:11 AM »
To the OP, you're probably not in The Netherlands but if you're close, the T18 is on sale right now with 2 3.1V Bluetooth enabled batteries, a fast charger and a systainer for 250 ex VAT at bouwmaat.nl
No attachments though, but a better price than I've seen anywhere else except for bare body versions.
Thanks for the hint, but I unfortunately don‘t have access to this offer.

@Cheese you don’t need to convince me!  I think the OP might need a little push though.   [wink]

True [smile] I‘m now certain to go with a corded impact drill and continue to use my 12V Bosch. The T/C 18 will probably fill the gap perfectly. I’m not entirely sure on the size of the gap: how many tasks in my home will I have which cannot smoothly be solved with one of the two (12V, impact drill), how often is it useful to have several tools mounted in parallel. But you gave some good examples and therefore I‘m convinced it is worth the investment.

I‘ll report here about the many instances I loved that I have the additional C/T 18 some time in the future.  [smile]

Edit: interestingly, my girlfriend came to a different conclusion after reading this thread (she was impressed from all the detailed and helpful replies). She would go for an additional CXS to the Bosch 12V instead of the T18. Hm...
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 04:47 AM by Tim3100 »

Offline Reed Hoyer

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2019, 06:24 AM »
Thanks for the hint, but I unfortunately don‘t have access to this offer.


I was in my local Woodcraft yesterday (Michigan) and they had what appeared to be 2 T18 kits (the $600+ versions) for clearance at $530. You might check around.

Edit: interestingly, my girlfriend came to a different conclusion after reading this thread (she was impressed from all the detailed and helpful replies). She would go for an additional CXS to the Bosch 12V instead of the T18. Hm...

If you haven't handled a Bosch Flexclick 12v and its attachments I think you're really doing yourself a disservice. It is a very nicely made tool and you may find that, without having to add another battery to your lineup and without spending very much, you can add quite a bit of function to your setup.

Offline Chinski

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2019, 07:02 AM »

Edit: interestingly, my girlfriend came to a different conclusion after reading this thread (she was impressed from all the detailed and helpful replies). She would go for an additional CXS to the Bosch 12V instead of the T18. Hm...

That's pretty incredible on several levels.  You should probably marry her. 

Online RKA

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Re: Most versatile Drill
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2019, 07:34 AM »
@Tim3100 The repetitive tasks Cheese describes come along every once in a while, so it is helpful to have at least 2 drills.  The CXS may eventually find its way into your stable.  I didn’t care much for it initially, but like so many others, I grew to love it’s lightness, it’s ability to sneak into tight quarters and the power (considering it looks like a kids toy).

The T18 is fantastic and should cover 90% of your needs and compliment the Bosch nicely.  The ability to modulate the trigger is fantastic on Festool drills, something I haven’t found other manufacturers pay enough attention to.  And as mentioned above they are discounting the kits as they transition to new kits with Bluetooth batteries, so you have an opportunity to save a few bucks.
-Raj