Author Topic: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?  (Read 3479 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1800
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2018, 06:19 PM »
So after a little goggling it appears there are no metric pipe threads rather G/R British Standard Pipe threads? G being straight and R being tapered.

Looks like Amazon has adapters to npt for those of us trapped in imperial measurement land.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline rst

  • Posts: 2110
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2018, 06:25 PM »
 I just replaced the original fittings with metric push/pull.  I love the units but do not leave them on my bench...too much clutter, so I made all the hoses removable.  I did have trouble reconnecting everything as I often go for a month or so before connecting both units together.  I marked the connections to make connecting everything more efficient.  I actually have to setup both units next week to rout and polish six polycarbonate refrigeration baffles for a customer.  Pieces are 6" x 72" so the narrow heads are going to be perfect for this process.

Offline EquatorTwo

  • Posts: 23
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2018, 08:12 PM »
Would you add a picture of your fittings in use? Think I'll follow your lead and reduce my hose clutter around the workbench. Thanks.

Online neilc

  • Posts: 2594
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2018, 09:27 PM »

Richard - At their roadshows, I noticed that Festool made MFT side-attached pieces of plywood that are wrapped with wood 'curbs' to 'capture' the base of the Vac-Sys in a vertical position and then suck it to the plywood when it's turned on.  Quick easy way to store and use the unit but also gives you quick removal to place it on a bench top.

Might want to investigate something like that to fit your need...

Here's a quick drawing from memory.  The base essentially is screwed to the side of the MFT and the VacSys just drops in it captured by the ledges.

It was a really slick way to adapt it.




Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1800
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2018, 09:56 PM »

Richard - At their roadshows, I noticed that Festool made MFT side-attached pieces of plywood that are wrapped with wood 'curbs' to 'capture' the base of the Vac-Sys in a vertical position and then suck it to the plywood when it's turned on.  Quick easy way to store and use the unit but also gives you quick removal to place it on a bench top.

Might want to investigate something like that to fit your need...

Here's a quick drawing from memory.  The base essentially is screwed to the side of the MFT and the VacSys just drops in it captured by the ledges.

It was a really slick way to adapt it.

(Attachment Link)

Thanks @neilc that is exactly what I was considering.

Of course, I'll need to complicate it a bit, overengineer it, mix in several materials and design to precision tolerances that'll require many hours of trial and error...  [doh]

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 5459
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2018, 10:36 PM »
Of course, I'll need to complicate it a bit, overengineer it, mix in several materials and design to precision tolerances that'll require many hours of trial and error...  [doh]

So...then you’re a perfect fit within the puzzle. You’re just another engineer. Just quietly recite the engineers mantra...anything worth doing is worth over doing.

Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1800
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2018, 07:28 AM »
Of course, I'll need to complicate it a bit, overengineer it, mix in several materials and design to precision tolerances that'll require many hours of trial and error...  [doh]

So...then you’re a perfect fit within the puzzle. You’re just another engineer. Just quietly recite the engineers mantra...anything worth doing is worth over doing.

Just a wannabe untrained enginerd... As Grandpa's actions taught, "if one nail is good 3 must be better..." and "Why the heck does anyone leave well enough alone?".

Kindred spirits.  [big grin]

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 5459
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2018, 09:37 AM »
So after a little goggling it appears there are no metric pipe threads rather G/R British Standard Pipe threads? G being straight and R being tapered.

Hey Richard, here's some more info on the connectors. Specifically reply #26.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/vacuum-pump-for-vac-sys/msg457853/#msg457853

Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1800
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2019, 10:26 AM »
Finally got to installing the QD, it really helps with hose management due to the stiffness of those hoses. Couplers came from McMaster w/ 3/8" barbs.



Now the pump-to-head hose sits coiled on top of the pump and the foot pedal-to-head hose is just hanging off the end of the SYS/MFT cart with the pedal itself nestled out of way underneath next to one of the casters. I can grab the head unit, click-click and I'm in business.

Great tool but the fixed hoses are awkward in a small work area.

FWIW I'd like to make up a couple extra pump-to-head hoses (QD @ each end) but I'd like them to be more flexible. Any opinions on the best type of hose to use? I'd prefer to not use the push-to-connect tube since it's so darn inflexible. I'd like something similar to a good air hose 3/8"-ish.

Is hose rigidity necessary to prevent them from collapsing with the vacuum?

Also, any idea what the ID is of the Festool hose? I had a bear of a time getting 3/8" barbs into it, but 1/4" seemed too small. 8mm perhaps?

Thanks,

RMW

As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline DynaGlide

  • Posts: 315
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2019, 12:58 PM »
I'm working on a dedicated cart for the vac sys to combat any setup and storage issues. Should be nearly finished this week.

Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1800
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2019, 01:00 PM »
I'm working on a dedicated cart for the vac sys to combat any setup and storage issues. Should be nearly finished this week.

I'll be very interested in seeing your design. Thanks.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline DynaGlide

  • Posts: 315
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2019, 02:29 PM »
I'm working on a dedicated cart for the vac sys to combat any setup and storage issues. Should be nearly finished this week.

I'll be very interested in seeing your design. Thanks.

RMW

It's not actually my design. It's based off of Neil's Shaper Origin cart that he posted up on the Origin Community forums. I'm just changing a few things to make it work for the Vac Sys. It will have the foot pedal mounted in the center bottom, the pump toward to top for easy access to on/off, hose routing, and overall height to clear an MFT/3 with material clamped to one of the pods. Along with systainer storage and shelving in the back, but those are part of Neil's design.

Offline scholar

  • Posts: 125
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2019, 06:48 PM »
[quote author=Richard/RMW link=topic=58071.msg570762#msg570762 date

Also, any idea what the ID is of the Festool hose? I had a bear of a time getting 3/8" barbs into it, but 1/4" seemed too small. 8mm perhaps?


RMW
[/quote]

The barb is 9mm and the screw in fittings are 3/4” BSP.

There is quite a lot of detail in this thread
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/my-vac-sys-setup/msg560073/#msg560073

Cheers


Offline Richard/RMW

  • Posts: 1800
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2019, 07:10 PM »
[quote author=Richard/RMW link=topic=58071.msg570762#msg570762 date

Also, any idea what the ID is of the Festool hose? I had a bear of a time getting 3/8" barbs into it, but 1/4" seemed too small. 8mm perhaps?


RMW

The barb is 9mm and the screw in fittings are 3/4” BSP.

There is quite a lot of detail in this thread
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/my-vac-sys-setup/msg560073/#msg560073

Cheers
[/quote]

Thanks @scholar - that helps. Not readily available over here but that's a separate issue. Good to have all the specs.

RMW
As of 10/17 I am out of the Dog business and pursuing other distractions. Thanks for a fun ride!

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 5459
Re: Vac-Sys non t-loc Systainer?
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2019, 09:33 PM »
Hey Richard,
As scholar noted the threads are 3/4 BSP. I found some QD end fittings from Menards that were 3/4 BSP and had a 3/8” barb. They initially were a tight fit with the Festool tubing, but after some heat gun action on the Festool tubing, they acquiesced. They fit so tight I probably didn’t even need to use clamps.

Tubing for a vacuum situation can be problematic. If the wall thickness is too thin or the durometer is too soft, the tubing can and will collapse.

That’s the reason I decided to just purchase the Festool tubing rather than to reinvent the wheel. If I needed 200 feet of vacuum hose I’d probably considered 2nd sourcing, but for 15 feet, Das macht nichts.  [big grin]