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« on: June 27, 2009, 07:38 PM »

In another thread there was comments about a possible new Centrotec set in the US. Shane (Festool USA employee) didn't have any info but suggested some one start a thread for comments for possible promotions. So, what would you like to see? Be sure to say what country you'd like to see your promotion in.

I'd like to see in North America a basic Centrotec set, a small set with the basic drill bits, maybe the brad point drill bits, a bit holder and just a few bits for the holders. Maybe it could come in a mini Systainer. The idea would be to keep the cost down, a starter set, if you will. I wouldn't mind seeing the a free T-shirt given away when you spend X amount and a golf/polo style shirt when you spend more.

So what do you want to see offered?    
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2009, 07:56 PM »

Thanks for starting this Brice.  Ditto on the Centrotec set.  I'd like to see the current one that's offered overseas or something like you're describing.  I really don't see the need for all of those individual little drivers, it's not like they wear out and I have yet to lose any from the other sets I have.  I have the C12 and love it but in my opinion I'm missing the boat without the Centrotec set.  I've been waiting for the release of the new assortment because buying it all individually starts to add up.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2009, 08:53 PM »

We have b een waiting for years for Festool to provide Robertson (Square Drive) bits.  If they were part of the kit, I would probably buy it.  Without them, forget it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2009, 09:13 PM »

......I really don't see the need for all of those individual little drivers, it's not like they wear out and I have yet to lose any from the other sets I have........

Actually, they do wear out. I don't have any of the Centrotec driver bits, I understand they wear out fairly quickly. The small driver tips that insert in bit holders wear out or break also. I buy Philips bits in larger quantity packs, I just bought the Festool Philips 10 pack of the regular bits and a pack of the pricey HIQ bits to try out. With daily professional use you can go through bits especially if you use an impact driver.

We have been waiting for years for Festool to provide Robertson (Square Drive) bits.  If they were part of the kit, I would probably buy it.  Without them, forget it.
 

Frank, I'm not sure I get the fuss about Festool releasing Robertson bits. Like I said above I understand the Centrotec bits wear out fast. What your experience with them?  
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2009, 07:24 AM »

Brice, I don't have that much experience because I seldom use anything but Robertson screws.  I do have a couple of Philips centronic bits and they have lasted about 5 years (with the limited use that I make of them).
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2009, 08:29 AM »

I would like to see more of a selection of items in each promo.  Like this current spring promo.  A lot of people already had most if not all the items you could buy to get the free item or promo.  Festool does not allow dealers to come down on the festool price or throw something in for free to make a good deal.  I know that If I send lot of money on something I like to negotiate with the seller to see if I can get a good deal.  Festool does not allow that.

So only having a limited number of items you can buy to get the free item or promo, that limits who can buy them and for the people that have spent thousands of dollars buying festool products, when do they ever get a break?

I'm not complaining about the price or the limited selection of promo's because I enjoy my festool's and I know what you pay for is what you get.  I will have many years of use out of these tools and I am happy with the price I paid for them.  It would just be nice to get something back after you've invested so much money.

Here's another thought, what about a promotion on festool accessories only?  Most of the time you have to buy the tool to get the accessories (promotion).  But how about you just have a promotion on the accessories by themselves?  This way, it opens up the door to more products and you will have a better chance of buying something you don't already have.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2009, 03:12 PM »

If I may add,  I would like to see the promotion products available through out the promo time period.  I purchased my TS 55 this past Friday and it was suppose to come with 2 free quick clamps per the promotion but my supplier did not have any left from the promotion.  He had some on his display wall but he said the clamps that festool sent him for the promotion sold out within weeks of the start of the promotion. 

So availability of the promotion items would be a huge plus so we can actually participate in the promotions whenever festool has them.

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2009, 08:29 PM »

Ditto to the shirts/hats, drill bit and tip set.

I dont really get into the promotions because I usually have those items.

How about buy a Kapex get a free Planex?  Huh?  Please?
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2009, 09:36 PM »

If I may add,  I would like to see the promotion products available through out the promo time period.  I purchased my TS 55 this past Friday and it was suppose to come with 2 free quick clamps per the promotion but my supplier did not have any left from the promotion.  He had some on his display wall but he said the clamps that festool sent him for the promotion sold out within weeks of the start of the promotion. 

So availability of the promotion items would be a huge plus so we can actually participate in the promotions whenever festool has them.

-Dave

Dave, I agree, it would be nice to get a rain check if your dealer doesn't have the promo item in stock.


I would like to see more of a selection of items in each promo..........

Yeah, a bigger selection would be nice. I'd also like to have a few promo items to choose from, I know that may not be practical but it would be nice. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 09:26 AM »

I think wear items make for a good promo, ie, splinter guards and the like. But there are some things like router attachments and bits that scream to be packaged together. edge trimming and a down spiral flush trim, for instance.

Others...

-jigsaw zero clearance inserts (probably not the name they give for em, but you know what I'm talking about) and blades.

-I know there's a TS accessory package, but a promo with rail strips for guide rails, and green things anti-tear out things for the saws would be great And as long as they're following the logic of keeping chips down, safety glasses to keep the chips out of one's eyes would be awesome.

-I'd love to see them offer a promo with the new systainer lid with the tray. It's currently only offered on a sys 2, but new pins and a new lid for whatever size systainer would be really cool. Seems perfect for router bits to me...

-Rack systainer. No brainer.

-Storage... the small sysport (1000?) with a sortainer would be cool. Or with a rack systainer. I know they don't have em anymore in NA, but I've seen em on fes.de

-Full size sysport with a new attachment for a boom arm... keep the tools and the boom arm together by putting the boom arm on the sysport.

-I think you can see a trend here... I'm not as big on the clothing as other people are. It's not that I don't appreciate the brand, I have 3 full sysports in my shop, and anyone who's seen me on site has witnessed brand loyalty in action, I use systainers for transport, as improvised sawhorses sometimes, whatever... But tools, storage, or expendables, are huge.



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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 11:05 AM »

Brice,

It seems that until just recently every promo included a vac.  The question is, how many vacs do you need?

Now there have been a few promos that include accessories such as clamps or cutters with the planer.  Those make more sense.

The promo I would like to see would be a Festool Gift Card of say 10% of the price of the tool purchased.  That way you could use it towards any accessories you wanted that related to your purchase or maybe some Festools that you already have.  For example drill bits with a drill, a saw blade with a saw, or a bench top stand with a planer.  Or maybe you buy a drill but need some sandpaper for your Rotex.  The gift card would only apply to tools and not accessories.

Another option might be some kind of frequent buyer program.  If you spend a certain preset amount, you would receive a Festool Gift Card for 10% or whatever of the designated amount.  Of course you would have to provide some kind of proof of purchase.  The only problem with this is that it provides no benefit to those of us that are already pretty well committed.

What better promotion than cash or its equivalent?

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2009, 11:13 AM »

I like that idea..

I also agree that they need to do something for the people who own the whole product line.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 02:29 PM »

centrotec bit assortment with the Sysrack.
more paper assortment deals
keep blade deals going.
blade with saw deals should be ongoing
sander with paper assortment deals would sell more sanders. as was said, how many vacs does a guy need, but buying a sander with a sys full of paper should be a deal.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 02:34 PM »

I would like to see a couple of different promotions.
First, it would be nice to bring back the introductory pricing when a new tool is released.  
Second, I would like to see packages of the most often bought accessories for the tools.  Maybe they could offer a discount on the accessory package (off the individual prices) and  a discount on the accessory package price if you buy it at the same time you purchase the tool.

They have a guide rail accessory package that costs less than buying the items separately, why not offer packages for router accessories, etc.?  Then discount it more if you buy the router and the package at the same time.
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 02:37 PM »

maverick:

The KAPEX Blade Set has been made permanent. So has the Boom Arm Set that comes with the handle, boom arm, and tool holder.

In addition, there is a Blade Assortment & Accessory Pack for the TS 55 and one for the TS 75. they have an assortment of blades and splinter guards. Some of us still have a few and the promotion ends today.

Another promotion that ends today is the Clamp Set.

The Spring promotions for the Jigsaws w/ free blades, the TS 55 & 75 with free quick clamps, and the HL 850 Planer with free undulating head also end today.


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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 03:09 PM »

How come the blade assortment and clamp promo is not on the festool website?
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2009, 03:21 PM »

It started last Fall and I guess they didn't keep it active on their site.


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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2009, 03:35 PM »

Most of the packages only include two items.  What if one wanted to get the MFT3, the TS55 and a DC, as opposed to just two?  I'd like to see discounts for purchases of more than two large items, perhaps an a la carte sort of thing where you get increasing discounts with increasing purchases so that you can pick the ones you specifically want, rather than those that are packaged in a certain way.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2009, 04:47 PM »

How about something that included Systainers?  A lot of us use them for more than just storing the Festools they came with.

I would like to add some to store my nail guns, measurement devices, related hand tools, etc...  Perhaps a buy two/three get one similarly or lower priced for free.
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2009, 04:58 PM »

They have one similar now with the 12+3 or the 15+3.  You get the systainer with the inserts.
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I was thinking something not related to another purchase. Just suggesting Festool kinda reward it's loyal buying customer base.

There is little I need, note...; not want.  Grin  However, I do need more Systainers.
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2009, 05:20 PM »

The people that matter at Festool do pay a certain amount of attention to this forum. I think it was a really good idea for Brice to start this thread. It may bear fruit someday...


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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2009, 07:27 PM »

If some decision makers from Festool read this forum,  then I'm really wondering why they are not listening to us?Huh?Huh?

How often did we ask about tools that are not available in NA? How often did we get a feedback? As a business owner myself, I would be more then willing to write something ones in a while about product updates/issues/recommendations etc. At least tell us why we wont be getting the planex/router table/belt sander etc.
There are many things I'm shacking my head about when I hear about the decisions they make. One example is Hafele In Canada. The worst re-presenter of Festool anywhere in NA. But they are still allowed the sell. Then, on the other hand they cancel the sponsorship of a well liked and sale increasing podcaster.

Don't get me wrong, I like their tools. But I think it's time to listen....

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The promotions they had so far except the drills and systainer deal, are pretty much useless for most of us. How about a special on single items? They can't tell me that their margins are soo tight that they can't allow for --let's say 10% off-- on a TS55...

I'm sorry for the rant, but this is getting pathetic...
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2009, 07:46 PM »

I think wear items make for a good promo, ie, splinter guards and the like. But there are some things like router attachments and bits that scream to be packaged together. edge trimming and a down spiral flush trim, for instance.

Others...

-jigsaw zero clearance inserts (probably not the name they give for em, but you know what I'm talking about) and blades.

-I know there's a TS accessory package, but a promo with rail strips for guide rails, and green things anti-tear out things for the saws would be great And as long as they're following the logic of keeping chips down, safety glasses to keep the chips out of one's eyes would be awesome.........................


James consumables are a great idea as promotional items. I'm a safety glasses guy, if Festool offered they as a promo item I'd be pleased. 
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2009, 08:12 PM »

If some decision makers from Festool read this forum,  then I'm really wondering why they are not listening to us?Huh?Huh?

How often did we ask about tools that are not available in NA? How often did we get a feedback? As a business owner myself, I would be more then willing to write something ones in a while about product updates/issues/recommendations etc. At least tell us why we wont be getting the planex/router table/belt sander etc.
There are many things I'm shacking my head about when I hear about the decisions they make. One example is Hafele In Canada. The worst re-presenter of Festool anywhere in NA. But they are still allowed the sell. Then, on the other hand they cancel the sponsorship of a well liked and sale increasing podcaster.

Don't get me wrong, I like their tools. But I think it's time to listen....

And to be on topic:
The promotions they had so far except the drills and systainer deal, are pretty much useless for most of us. How about a special on single items? They can't tell me that their margins are soo tight that they can't allow for --let's say 10% off-- on a TS55...

I'm sorry for the rant, but this is getting pathetic...



Festool is listening but they can't do everything we want them to do. I'm sure they liked to offer their full lineup of tools here in N. America, that just isn't feasible now. Remember it wasn't very long ago that Festool was a virtually unknown in the States and Canada. They've gotten their foot in the door but still aren't a household name. Their building the brand here, that takes time. I imagine someday the product line will be greatly expanded here, I'm patiently waiting for that day.

The good news is that Festool is expanding the dealer network up north, as you know you aren't stuck buying from Hafele any more.

I'm like the rest of you guys I too would like to see a discount offered or even discount program. It really hasn't happened yet, that I'm aware of. Maybe the margins are tighter than you think, I don't know. The one thing to keep in mind is that we are already paying less for Festool products here then the rest of the world so I'd not going to hold my breath for any farther discounts. 
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2009, 09:14 PM »

In my opinion, the result of this thread is that there is no magic bullet when it comes to promos.  There doesn't seem to be a consensus about what would make an attractive offer.  While I prompted that someone start this type of thread, I can't guarantee that any of these ideas will actually come to fruition.  But what I can say is that we are indeed listening.

@Eco: Regarding the tools that are not available in NA, here's the answer... The employees of Festool USA want those tools here just as much as each of you, maybe even more.  If you want to see these products in NA, I would encourage you to spread the word to other professionals about your experience with our products.  The more we grow in NA, the more expansive our offerings will become.  I would like to point out that many of the newest tools (MFT/3, OF 2200, Kapex, T+3 drills) have launched here simultaneously or within a short period after the European launch.

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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2009, 09:36 PM »

For what it's worth. The latest promotions are Ok but don't do me much good. It seems to me that Festool promo's are based on generating tool customers, which of course is a good thing. However, I think they are missing the 2nd half of the equation. Promo's for those of us who already have the tools. Tool promo's can bring in new users. Accessory promo's keep existing customers happy and buying more tools.
In this down economy, I honestly can't spend big dollars on new tools. I can however spend less money (recent $179. for the guide rail / angle unit acc. kit.) on useful / needed accessories. Saw blade promo's should be semi-permanent. Drill bit and paper promo's would be really helpful. Or buy X dollars in accessories, get X% off of a Sys to put them in. Buy a CT and get Acc kit at a 'real' discount.
Let's hope Festool listens. Their overall sales must also be down.
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2009, 09:41 PM »

Hi Shane,

Thank you for your post! Good to know that you guys are working on expanding the tool selection!!!! I feel with you, sometimes in business, it can take forever to get things going Roll Eyes
I guess, we all have to lean back and watch the show for a while to see what's coming down the drain  Grin

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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2009, 10:01 PM »

To everyone:

As Shane said: "There doesn't seem to be a consensus about what would make an attractive offer." 

Maybe someone should start a poll with items or ideas we could vote for?

This way we could come to more of a concensus?

I'll just through that out there.

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2009, 10:14 PM »

For what it is worth---
I believe a different approach might work better than how it is handled now. Having a fixed promo with specific items rarely has exactly the items those of us with tools already really need and want. I would love to see a build-your-own offer. Something like buy any 4 router bits and get one free, or purchase $200 in consumables and get 20% off. By far the best offer I have ever seen with Festool was a few years back when they had the promo to reward existing customers by allowing any tool purchases with I believe a 20% discount. I bought a bunch of sanders and accessories then. Bet I spent $1500.

Kind of surprised that a router bit set has not been created at a package price. Virtually every bit company has various sets that seem to be quite popular. I would love to purchase more Festool bits but the pricing holds me back somewhat.
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