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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 04:46 PM » |
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seriously... step away from the festool for a second before you pop down cash for that. why not get another one of the numerous highly efficient sanders?
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Who said anything about buying it? I just threw the link out for discussion
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I built one that will last 100 yrs for $75 and some scrap, case closed.
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The MFH will undoubtably fit into some work flows and provide an off the shelf solution to some. On the Festool UK site it was marketed to the automotive field originally. Rick has commented on the hefty construction of the unit at the forum woodworkingcafe.com in this thread: http://www.woodworkingcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?501-Hmmm-Freight-company-wants-to-know-if-I-ll-be-homeI think that the real reason there hasn't been much talk is that there aren't many of these out in circulation. Peter Most important note from Peter as a Moderator: This topic has proven to be extremely controversial in other forums. The posting behavior that occurred elsewhere will not be tolerated here (discussed and agreed unanimously by all the admin staff here). |
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 11:16 PM » |
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For one thing, it kinda falls between the cracks. Its not a powertool, and as I understand its use, its not a hand tool either. Should we start a forum for backside tools?  |
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2012, 11:24 AM » |
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The biggest reason I haven't said anything about it is that I haven't laid hands on one yet.
I have a demo' on order and as soon as I get it, I will be able to comment legitimately. I don't know of any in Texas yet.
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The MFH will undoubtably fit into some work flows and provide an off the shelf solution to some. On the Festool UK site it was marketed to the automotive field originally. Rick has commented on the hefty construction of the unit at the forum woodworkingcafe.com in this thread: http://www.woodworkingcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?501-Hmmm-Freight-company-wants-to-know-if-I-ll-be-homeI think that the real reason there hasn't been much talk is that there aren't many of these out in circulation. Peter Most important note from Peter as a Moderator: This topic has proven to be extremely controversial in other forums. The posting behavior that occurred elsewhere will not be tolerated here (discussed and agreed unanimously by all the admin staff here). i dont think that will happen here peter. we are all festool geeks. we see the value in the brand . most others dont. i would love one but cant afford those kind of luxuaries in my shop. an old ofice chair does me. its great in the shop as its height adjustable yes its expensive for just a chair but it is built to last. it could probably out last its rivals a few times. its a shame they didnt optimise it for the woodworking industry. i would like it to have been designed for systainers and have the pegboard type sheet metal (from the workcenter) on the sides so that you could hang tools on the side. |
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The MFH will undoubtably fit into some work flows and provide an off the shelf solution to some. On the Festool UK site it was marketed to the automotive field originally. Rick has commented on the hefty construction of the unit at the forum woodworkingcafe.com in this thread: http://www.woodworkingcafe.com/forum/showthread.php?501-Hmmm-Freight-company-wants-to-know-if-I-ll-be-homeI think that the real reason there hasn't been much talk is that there aren't many of these out in circulation. Peter Most important note from Peter as a Moderator: This topic has proven to be extremely controversial in other forums. The posting behavior that occurred elsewhere will not be tolerated here (discussed and agreed unanimously by all the admin staff here). i dont think that will happen here peter. we are all festool geeks. we see the value in the brand . most others dont. i would love one but cant afford those kind of luxuaries in my shop. an old ofice chair does me. its great in the shop as its height adjustable yes its expensive for just a chair but it is built to last. it could probably out last its rivals a few times. its a shame they didnt optimise it for the woodworking industry. i would like it to have been designed for systainers and have the pegboard type sheet metal (from the workcenter) on the sides so that you could hang tools on the side. I think it does have the pegboard on the sides. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2012, 11:26 PM » |
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It would make a good door prize at Festool events. The thing that would be nice to have but hard to justify.
I do want to discuss one thing. If you lock all four wheels does it become a step stool? Or does it carry a disclaimer that you should not stand on it even with the wheels locked?
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After reading Peters caution about flaming this poor stool, I'm adding more thoughts along the lines of you good people might not know how much decent well made metal storage costs in the automotive world....  My toolbox was 8K, empty, no tools, in 2003. I wonder what a similar unit costs from Snap-On today...  I think the workplace or jobsite intergration for some will be a real benefit, which is what Festool probably had in mind all along. While I have no need, and um, no space in my shop for it[  ], I wait to see how all the clever people who DO end up with one of this use them. I'm always learning new tricks about tool storage and transportation from the rest of the world, and Festool seems to help drive us along even if we don't always buy all the storage options they offer. My only gripe about fixed height stools in any application is that it's rarely putting me or the work at the height I really want-durn it all...  So I guess I'll wait for the adjustable height stool with storage and the ability to act as a small work platform . But that might put me back into the 8K category of cost again, so maybe not...  It still seems to me that this stool is best paired with the WorkCenter, so you end up being able to put a few systainers on top of your extractor, and leave the WorkCenter paired to the Stool and not on top of your CT. If I owned one, that's what I'd do. |
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I've been keeping my eyes open for a cheap, used CT22 to mount my WCR on. I just can't mount it on my main 22 or 36. This could fit the bill if the WCR can be mounted on it. However, for $350 it is a pretty steep price. At $275-295 I'd go for it. By the time you add tax its pushing $400. That's a pretty hefty price tag. I'll wait to check it out at my dealer but if it can't handle heavy abuse it isn't worth the price tag. I know at the end of a long, frustrating day with a PIA client its going to get 'tossed' into the back of the truck.
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After reading Peters caution about flaming this poor stool, I'm adding more thoughts along the lines of you good people might not know how much decent well made metal storage costs in the automotive world.... My toolbox was 8K, empty, no tools, in 2003. I wonder what a similar unit costs from Snap-On today... I think the workplace or jobsite intergration for some will be a real benefit, which is what Festool probably had in mind all along. While I have no need, and um, no space in my shop for it[ ], I wait to see how all the clever people who DO end up with one of this use them. I'm always learning new tricks about tool storage and transportation from the rest of the world, and Festool seems to help drive us along even if we don't always buy all the storage options they offer. My only gripe about fixed height stools in any application is that it's rarely putting me or the work at the height I really want-durn it all... So I guess I'll wait for the adjustable height stool with storage and the ability to act as a small work platform . But that might put me back into the 8K category of cost again, so maybe not... It still seems to me that this stool is best paired with the WorkCenter, so you end up being able to put a few systainers on top of your extractor, and leave the WorkCenter paired to the Stool and not on top of your CT. If I owned one, that's what I'd do. You are correct, when you look at premium tool chests and Vidmar style cabinets the MFH isn't really out of line. No doubt Sears Craftsman has lower quality, lower cost options. The only question is does a woodworker need that kind of premium Festool quality in a stool -- I don't know if I "need" it but it does appeal to me. As with most, every cubic inch of shop space is dear and I'm always looking for ways to optimize my space. For my purposes I would have preferred that the MFH1000 have two or more drawers instead of the space between the drawer and the seat. That is fixable. Also instead of more than doubling the cost of the stool by adding the optional tool rack on top I'd prefer to build a simple solution using 80/20 extrusions or similar. By doing that it can be offset to the backside of the stool so that the stool is still useful to sit on. |
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If someone pulled up with that to a site I was running I'd tell them to get there tools, sitting down during work hours is highly unprofessional
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If someone pulled up with that to a site I was running I'd tell them to get there tools, sitting down during work hours is highly unprofessional
In my 20's, 30's or 40's I wouldn't have thought of sitting while working. As time goes on and nature takes it's toll on my body sitting looks pretty good.  |
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If someone pulled up with that to a site I was running I'd tell them to get there tools, sitting down during work hours is highly unprofessional
So, if someone had to install 30 Baldwin lock sets on your 4000 square foot remodel, you would tell them to hit the trail for having a place to comfortably work? Regardless of cost, that stool has a place to keep a small collection of task specific tools which I see as being organized and very productive. Now, if the guys are playing human bowling down the long hallway, that's a different story!!! As a guy who has knee & back sensitivity (I'm in my mid 30's), I'm always looking for ways to allow myself to extend my time in this business! Just looking from the other side of the coin! Bob |
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Yeah, but in the body shop business we're just pretty lazy. We love to work sitting.  We even have these beds, so we can lie down, safely out of sight.   People, don't try to pass judgement on this MFH 1000 while envisioning it in any other setting than the body shop, that's what it's meant for. It's not for the woodworker, the train driver or a trapeze worker. It is for the body shop, and sitting down while working has nothing to do with being lazy, but all with ergonomics. As for the cost, these things get tossed around all day so they need to be sturdy and that comes with a price tag. |
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Fair points made here. Not personally interested in this product. A few systainers and a Dolly suit my rolling stool needs just fine.
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Yeah, but in the body shop business we're just pretty lazy. We love to sit working. [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ] We even have these beds, so we can lie down, safely out of sight. [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ] People, don't try to pass judgement on this MFH 1000 while envisioning it in any other setting than the body shop, that's what it's meant for. It's not for the woodworker, the train driver or a trapeze worker. It is for the body shop, and sitting down while working has nothing to do with being lazy, but all with ergonomics. As for the cost, these things get tossed around all day so they need to be sturdy and that comes with a price tag. Your picture is worth a thousand words.. That's my exact complaint of fixed height stools.. The man who's buffing the vehicle may need to get lower, which means hunching over on the stool, or stand up to work as holding the tool above your head isn't really an option for control. The arc of comfortable working zone as it might be known, is narrow. Great if the height agrees with you. I like the stool, but could not use one where I work. However, there's a Dent Buster guy that's a friend of mine, he might just like the stool, seated while removing dents out of vehicles. He's got a stool now, but I'll show him this one.. |
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Your picture is worth a thousand words.. That's my exact complaint of fixed height stools.. The man who's buffing the vehicle may need to get lower, which means hunching over on the stool, or stand up to work as holding the tool above your head isn't really an option for control. The arc of comfortable working zone as it might be known, is narrow. Great if the height agrees with you. I like the stool, but could not use one where I work. However, there's a Dent Buster guy that's a friend of mine, he might just like the stool, seated while removing dents out of vehicles. He's got a stool now, but I'll show him this one.. [/quote] You'll notice that the auto is on a lift so he can continually adjust for the optimum working height. Of course that also supports an argument that he could stand while doing the entire job...  |
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There were a few of these rolling around the workshop in Lebanon during the week-long cabinet class I recently took - they're nice and sturdy, well-built, etc. $350? Kind of steep - for me. I ordered a few things after the class, but the MFH was not one of them. I didn't examine them in detail or take any pictures, since I wasn't interested in getting one (and didn't realize how much discussion they would generate here!).
Still, they were comfy. By the end of the week, we were all looking for them to sit on while Brian explained stuff. We spent a lot of time on our feet, so we appreciated the breaks by then. Not a great height for most woodworking on an MFT, but if it's for auto body work, okay then. It sounds like the Shinex was brought to the US on the urging of some German car manufacturer, so maybe this is the same kind of deal. Since Festool is already importing them, why not offer them to everybody?
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Your picture is worth a thousand words.. That's my exact complaint of fixed height stools.. The man who's buffing the vehicle may need to get lower, which means hunching over on the stool, or stand up to work as holding the tool above your head isn't really an option for control. The arc of comfortable working zone as it might be known, is narrow. Great if the height agrees with you. I like the stool, but could not use one where I work. However, there's a Dent Buster guy that's a friend of mine, he might just like the stool, seated while removing dents out of vehicles. He's got a stool now, but I'll show him this one.. [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ] [/quote] It is very rare to see a car detailed or buffed on a rack. 9.9 times out of Ten, it's on a flat stall since the available racks make more money being used for other things. |
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I can't tell you how big a fan I am regarding Festool (my shop and checkbook can attest to my loyalty to the brand), but seriously, a $350 rolling stool? For those of you who buy it, I wish you well. I'll stick to my inverted five gallon bucket when installing lock sets or just taking a break in the shop. |
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