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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2017, 10:47 AM »
8020 offers milling services but they don't saw extrusions square (their spec is +/- 1*) so you'd have to buy milling for the whole end as well.

I think cutting clearance holes for the washer and screw is trivial. Getting the end square enough to be useful, especially over a longer length, is a demanding task.

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Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2017, 11:16 AM »
I’d really rather see the longer Super tracks laser marked and have slots milled in them to mirror the clean design of the 18” & 32” tracks. I would doubt that’d be more than a $10 upcharge per track.
Longer extrusions with slots would interest me.
I could live with or without the laser scales.
I can mill slots with a hand router and a plywood jig in a matter of minutes, but I cant engrave scale on the extrusion. That requires some serious equipment.

Offline greg mann

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2017, 06:29 PM »
Don't the 80/20 folks have reasonable upcharges for milling connector holes in the ends of their extrusions?  I'm thinking someone has figured this one out.

Yes 80/20 does...I mentioned in another thread that I own a Woodpeckers 50" rule that is laser engraved, my question was, then why can't a 48" Super track also be laser engraved? If the laser can do 50", it should certainly be able to do 48". 

Where I'm going with this is large pieces of capital equipment, be it a CNC, laser or automated plasma cutter, the only way you get your monetary payback is to place it in service and use it 24/7. A piece of capital equipment sitting idle is actually costing you money.


It would seem they could do a 48 inch length on that machine. The question is why Woodpeckers is not recognizing a sustainable market for this product. One could argue it might be more user friendly than the MFS and has the potential for added componentry, like for countertop joining or special radius inserts for the corners to make custom cut-outs.
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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2017, 09:40 PM »
It would seem they could do a 48 inch length on that machine. The question is why Woodpeckers is not recognizing a sustainable market for this product. One could argue it might be more user friendly than the MFS and has the potential for added componentry, like for countertop joining or special radius inserts for the corners to make custom cut-outs.

I agree 100%. This seems like an opportunity that Woodpeckers doesn’t fully grasp. This should be a new product that will be available on a continuous basis. If that were the case, additions and tweaks could be implemented on an ongoing basis that will further solidify its demand over the years as opposed to over just the next few months.  Once it’s released, it’s pretty much forgotten because it’s no longer available.

« Last Edit: December 02, 2017, 09:30 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2017, 09:50 AM »
You guys are probably overestimating the demand.  Festool stopped selling the MFS for a reason, because the demand wasn't there.  Don't get me wrong I don't like the limited availability of products, however, this OTT model seems to be working for Woodpeckers.   
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2017, 12:02 PM »
Festool stopped selling the MFS for a reason ...
"Reason" is not the term I woul use describing Festool marketing strategies.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2017, 09:00 PM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.
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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2017, 10:32 AM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2017, 11:18 AM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5" and therefore the 32" rails would allow about 27" of router cutting.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2017, 11:27 AM by ben_r_ »
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Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2017, 11:23 AM »
I think you mean 27" for the 32" track.

Actual is 3.85" width for the track so roughly 4" less than each track is expected cutting allowance.

I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5" and therefore the 32" rails would allow about 17" of router cutting.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2017, 12:23 PM by bnaboatbuilder »
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2017, 11:27 AM »
I think you mean 27" for the 32" track. You only need to take off 5" from whatever track length to know it's approximate max cutting allowance.

I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5" and therefore the 32" rails would allow about 17" of router cutting.
Urgh, sorry, thanks for the catch. I just woke up. Fixed the post.
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Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2017, 12:17 PM »
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5"
They are the same 3.85" width.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2017, 05:18 PM »
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5"
They are the same 3.85" width.
Huh, then perhaps the other 1.15" comes from the guide bushing?
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Offline HAXIT

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2017, 07:08 PM »
The original one before festool was GEAT SYSTEM and was sold in U.S by woodworkersdepot.
Click on infomaterial then sdg English.
 http://www.geatsystem.com/geatwd/dt.php

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« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2017, 09:16 PM »
The original one before festool was GEAT SYSTEM and was sold in U.S by woodworkersdepot.
Click on infomaterial then sdg English.
 http://www.geatsystem.com/geatwd/dt.php
They are thicker (20 mm) than FT or WP and unlikely to work with standard rail clamps. The latter is probably not important.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2017, 09:56 AM »
Huh, then perhaps the other 1.15" comes from the guide bushing?

If you use a 1010 with a 10.8mm bushing = .425"
a 1400 with a 24mm bushing = .945"
a 2200 with a 17mm bushing = .670"

So, I don't know where the measurement discrepancy lies, however, it could be as simple as the word Woodpeckers chose to use in the ad copy,
"18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 10:40 AM by Cheese »

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2017, 11:47 AM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.

If you need to use the entire length of the rail, you can always reconfigure it in this manner. That way you have the full length of the rail minus the diameter of the router bushing used.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2017, 05:04 PM »
FYI, CarbideProcessors.com has this OTT free shipping and with 10% off using the code "creekers". Best deal youll find on any Woodpeckers OTT everytime.
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Offline bnaboatbuilder

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2017, 06:08 PM »
It took them a while to add that one but the updated 18/32 version is not available buying through them. Hope they add the updated option.

FYI, CarbideProcessors.com has this OTT free shipping and with 10% off using the code "creekers". Best deal youll find on any Woodpeckers OTT everytime.
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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2017, 07:22 PM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.

Offline ben_r_

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« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2017, 09:00 PM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.
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Offline eeeesh

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« Reply #51 on: Yesterday at 01:28 AM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.

They added it to their website now.  I just ordered it

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« Reply #52 on: Yesterday at 01:04 PM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.

They added it to their website now.  I just ordered it
Thats good news. Im still kinda going back and forth on this one though. Just as I did when I had a chance to get the MFS. Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
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Offline Svar

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« Reply #53 on: Yesterday at 02:00 PM »
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #54 on: Yesterday at 02:39 PM »
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.
Thats what Im thinking too. So if one has a Domino and say another option for cutting circles (Micro Fence Circle Jig) what else do they use the MFS for? Inlays? Insetting a router plate into a table top?
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