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Title: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: thudchkr on November 28, 2017, 07:12 AM
Just happened across this. https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html

It first looked like you could use their super track to just extend your rail length instead of getting another, longer, profile. But as I continue to look, I’m no longer sure of that. 

A little bit intrigued by their clamp brackets as well. Wonder if they would work on the MFS. I’ve been trying to find some additional ones for my MFS setup with no luck to date. Wonder is they are also One Time Tools.

Looks like they are offering a lock bar that supposedly allows one to use the Woodpeckers Super Track for the same purpose, but I don’t know how that could work without the slots in the end of the OTT VRJ profile rails.  Any thoughts here?
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Bob D. on November 28, 2017, 07:24 AM
I wonder if half of a Unistrut 1/2" or 3/4" pipe clamp would work in the same way as the WP
hold down clamps. When you look at them they don't look much different. If you were to bend
the ears on the unistrut clamp that lock into the strut up slightly they would lock into the T-slot
in the track. Probably have to file off the points on the ears.

You could also bend yourself something similar from some 1/8" x 2" aluminum flat bar.

Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Sparktrician on November 28, 2017, 08:46 AM
I wonder if half of a Unistrut 1/2" or 3/4" pipe clamp would work in the same way as the WP
hold down clamps. When you look at them they don't look much different. If you were to bend
the ears on the unistrut clamp that lock into the strut up slightly they would lock into the T-slot
in the track. Probably have to file off the points on the ears.

You could also bend yourself something similar from some 1/8" x 2" aluminum flat bar.

The Unistrut clamps work in tension so they aren't as thick as the WP clamps.  My guess is that the Unistrut clamps are a thinner and much more flexible material and as such are less resistant to clamping pressure than the WP clamps. 
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Michael Kellough on November 28, 2017, 08:49 AM
Just happened across this. https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html

It first looked like you could use their super track to just extend your rail length instead of getting another, longer, profile. But as I continue to look, I’m no longer sure of that. 

A little bit intrigued by their clamp brackets as well. Wonder if they would work on the MFS. I’ve been trying to find some additional ones for my MFS setup with no luck to date. Wonder is they are also One Time Tools.

Looks like they are offering a lock bar that supposedly allows one to use the Woodpeckers Super Track for the same purpose, but I don’t know how that could work without the slots in the end of the OTT VRJ profile rails.  Any thoughts here?

I don't think so, unless you don't need to run the router past that clamp location.

The actual MFS profile is about half as high as the WP Supertrack which this new kit is made from,
so on the real MFS the clamp would sit (partially) above the top of the profile.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: RobBob on November 28, 2017, 09:37 AM
Wouldn't it work if you used two Supertracks and two of the new tracks with the connector slots?
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: RobBob on November 28, 2017, 10:00 AM
All 4 tracks need the connector on one end. The normal supertrack isn't be cut for the slotted nuts.

Wouldn't it work if you used two Supertracks and two of the new tracks with the connector slots?

I looked at the pictures again and see that to be true. 

Wonder if the Vecturo with the plunge base could make the slotted cuts in the Supertrack?
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: JimH2 on November 28, 2017, 10:20 AM
There goes the value of those holding on to MFS's.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Bob D. on November 28, 2017, 10:27 AM
I wonder if half of a Unistrut 1/2" or 3/4" pipe clamp would work in the same way as the WP
hold down clamps. When you look at them they don't look much different. If you were to bend
the ears on the unistrut clamp that lock into the strut up slightly they would lock into the T-slot
in the track. Probably have to file off the points on the ears.

You could also bend yourself something similar from some 1/8" x 2" aluminum flat bar.

The Unistrut clamps work in tension so they aren't as thick as the WP clamps.  My guess is that the Unistrut clamps are a thinner and much more flexible material and as such are less resistant to clamping pressure than the WP clamps.

Good point. The design is similar though. It wouldn't be difficult to make something but WP only wants $12 for a set of clamps so not going to break the bank. Still it's something that is easy to make.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Michael Kellough on November 28, 2017, 11:03 AM
Re clamps, I think the stock Dewalt track clamp would work. The tickness of the "tongue" is a little less than the Festool clamp.

(https://www.canadianwoodworking.com/sites/default/files/assets/images/tracksaws_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Richard/RMW on November 28, 2017, 11:08 AM
The Festool clamps will work if you touch up the sides with a file. There isn't much metal to remove, mostly the rough/unevenness created when they are stamped.

RMW

Re clamps, I think the stock Dewalt track clamp would work. The tickness of the "tongue" is a little less than the Festool clamp.

(https://www.canadianwoodworking.com/sites/default/files/assets/images/tracksaws_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Michael Kellough on November 28, 2017, 11:16 AM
The Festool clamps will work if you touch up the sides with a file. There isn't much metal to remove, mostly the rough/unevenness created when they are stamped.

RMW


This was in response to a question about clamping the side of the track. I think this would work in place of the bent piece of steel WP is selling.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on November 28, 2017, 11:43 AM
Dual scale is a nice touch. Mortises on both ends of each extrusion mean you can join two peaces lengthwise using bolts and square nuts instead of guide rail type connectors. Not sure which is better.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on November 28, 2017, 11:55 AM
The actual MFS profile is about half as high as the WP Supertrack which this new kit is made from,
WP Super track is 17.8 mm, FT MFS is 16 mm.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Michael Kellough on November 28, 2017, 12:35 PM
The actual MFS profile is about half as high as the WP Supertrack which this new kit is made from,
WP Super track is 17.8 mm, FT MFS is 16 mm.

My mistake. Proof that I don't have the MFS...and that my memory is not so good.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on November 28, 2017, 04:47 PM
Might be placing an order for this one. Just cant decide if I would ever have a need for the extension rails they are also offering.

This really should be a product they offer all the time. Pretty lame IMO.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Getmaverick on November 28, 2017, 05:24 PM
Would also be nice if they had a separate set with (2) 18" and (2) 32".
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on November 28, 2017, 05:37 PM
I wonder if half of a Unistrut 1/2" or 3/4" pipe clamp would work in the same way as the WP
hold down clamps.
Those WP hold downs are totally unnecessary even if you don't use t-slots for clamping. The extrusion is about 10 cm wide, so, depending on the router and bushing you use, the outer >2 cm edge of extrusion is always free. You can clamp them directly.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Bohdan on November 28, 2017, 06:03 PM
Just cant decide if I would ever have a need for the extension rails they are also offering.

If you are routing in the middle of a large panel and none of the MFS sticks out over the sides so you can't clamp it down.

Fit the extensions to the outside of your MFS, so that they reach over the side, and enable you to clamp them down.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Bob D. on November 28, 2017, 09:05 PM
Might be placing an order for this one. Just cant decide if I would ever have a need for the extension rails they are also offering.

This really should be a product they offer all the time. Pretty lame IMO.

Yes, would be nice if they offered the longer track pieces after the closing date but should be a AAT (Always Available Tool) :-)
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on November 29, 2017, 12:05 PM
FWIW...I contacted Woodpeckers yesterday and asked them some questions about the new offering. My questions are in blue while the reply is in black.


Thanks for the interest, here are the answers to your questions:
 
1. If I wanted to route long flutes in wood columns, I’d need to replace 2 of the 18” tracks with either 48” or 60” Super tracks. How would these long rails attach to the jig?
We designed an injection molded “lockbar” that enables you to connect the tracks in an L-shape.  In the track that comes with the kit, and the 32” tracks, we have machined openings that accepts a stamped washer and a 10-32 SHCS. The SHCS thread into the inserts in the lockbar, which in turn, slip into the side slots on the track. The longer tracks will not have the machined slots, but can still be attached to the tracks from the kit.
 
2. Will they already have slots milled in them to accept the lockbar kits?
Only the 18” & 32” tracks will have the milled slots.
 
3. What is the squareness of the ends of the Super track after it is cut?
The squareness is excellent.  We recently installed a CNC saw that is extremely accurate.
 
4. What is the thickness of the metal used in the stainless clamps?
The clamps are 3/16” CRS and will be zinc plated.
 
5. Festool offers a router support, the 465489, which supports the other side of the router when the rails are spread apart. Do you plan on offering something similar?
No, we are not. I have owned the MFS400 for several years now, and that adapter will only work on Festool Routers. It would be pretty much impossible to have an adapter for every major router manufacturer out there. For mine, I milled some hardwood to the thickness of the track, (approximately .700), put a counterbored hole in it, and attached that to my router.
 
 
If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask!
 
Thank you,
 
Ed ________
Product Designer
Woodworking Enthusiast
www.woodpeck.com
Woodpeckers Inc
Tel: 440-238-1918
Fax: 440-238-2097
13700 Prospect Rd.
Strongsville, Ohio 44149

Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on November 29, 2017, 09:19 PM
Looks like they added a new kit to the line up that includes the 18" and 32" rails instead of all 18": LINK (https://www.toolnut.com/hand-tools/measuring/woodpeckers-onetime-tools/woodpeckers-onetime-tool-variable-router-jig-18-x-32-mfs.html)
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Bob D. on November 29, 2017, 09:44 PM
Looks like they added a new kit to the line up that includes the 18" and 32" rails instead of all 18": LINK (https://www.toolnut.com/hand-tools/measuring/woodpeckers-onetime-tools/woodpeckers-onetime-tool-variable-router-jig-18-x-32-mfs.html)

Yeah, I just contacted them to change my order to the kit with the 18 & 32" rails in place of the four 18" rails.
$40 more but worth it to me.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: whitesys on November 30, 2017, 01:00 AM
The longer tracks will not have the machined slots, but can still be attached to the tracks from the kit.

How would you attach the plain SuperTrack to the kit without the slots?
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on November 30, 2017, 01:22 AM
How would you attach the plain SuperTrack to the kit without the slots?

My thought is that you’d have to attach the existing 18” or 32” tracks to a Super track using a rail connector similar to the one used for connecting Festool rails. If so, that’s certainly not a very elegant solution.  [sad]

That would also explain why the longer tracks are not laser marked. They don’t know if you’re adding the Super track to an 18” or 32” section.

I’d really rather see the longer Super tracks laser marked and have slots milled in them to mirror the clean design of the 18” & 32” tracks. I would doubt that’d be more than a $10 upcharge per track.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: whitesys on December 01, 2017, 02:38 AM
I’d really rather see the longer Super tracks laser marked and have slots milled in them to mirror the clean design of the 18” & 32” tracks. I would doubt that’d be more than a $10 upcharge per track.

Longer extrusions with slots would interest me.
I could live with or without the laser scales.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: HarveyWildes on December 01, 2017, 09:43 AM
I’d really rather see the longer Super tracks laser marked and have slots milled in them to mirror the clean design of the 18” & 32” tracks. I would doubt that’d be more than a $10 upcharge per track.

Don't the 80/20 folks have reasonable upcharges for milling connector holes in the ends of their extrusions?  I'm thinking someone has figured this one out.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on December 01, 2017, 10:33 AM
Don't the 80/20 folks have reasonable upcharges for milling connector holes in the ends of their extrusions?  I'm thinking someone has figured this one out.

Yes 80/20 does...I mentioned in another thread that I own a Woodpeckers 50" rule that is laser engraved, my question was, then why can't a 48" Super track also be laser engraved? If the laser can do 50", it should certainly be able to do 48". 

Where I'm going with this is large pieces of capital equipment, be it a CNC, laser or automated plasma cutter, the only way you get your monetary payback is to place it in service and use it 24/7. A piece of capital equipment sitting idle is actually costing you money.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Michael Kellough on December 01, 2017, 10:47 AM
8020 offers milling services but they don't saw extrusions square (their spec is +/- 1*) so you'd have to buy milling for the whole end as well.

I think cutting clearance holes for the washer and screw is trivial. Getting the end square enough to be useful, especially over a longer length, is a demanding task.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on December 01, 2017, 11:16 AM
I’d really rather see the longer Super tracks laser marked and have slots milled in them to mirror the clean design of the 18” & 32” tracks. I would doubt that’d be more than a $10 upcharge per track.
Longer extrusions with slots would interest me.
I could live with or without the laser scales.
I can mill slots with a hand router and a plywood jig in a matter of minutes, but I cant engrave scale on the extrusion. That requires some serious equipment.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: greg mann on December 01, 2017, 06:29 PM
Don't the 80/20 folks have reasonable upcharges for milling connector holes in the ends of their extrusions?  I'm thinking someone has figured this one out.

Yes 80/20 does...I mentioned in another thread that I own a Woodpeckers 50" rule that is laser engraved, my question was, then why can't a 48" Super track also be laser engraved? If the laser can do 50", it should certainly be able to do 48". 

Where I'm going with this is large pieces of capital equipment, be it a CNC, laser or automated plasma cutter, the only way you get your monetary payback is to place it in service and use it 24/7. A piece of capital equipment sitting idle is actually costing you money.


It would seem they could do a 48 inch length on that machine. The question is why Woodpeckers is not recognizing a sustainable market for this product. One could argue it might be more user friendly than the MFS and has the potential for added componentry, like for countertop joining or special radius inserts for the corners to make custom cut-outs.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on December 01, 2017, 09:40 PM
It would seem they could do a 48 inch length on that machine. The question is why Woodpeckers is not recognizing a sustainable market for this product. One could argue it might be more user friendly than the MFS and has the potential for added componentry, like for countertop joining or special radius inserts for the corners to make custom cut-outs.

I agree 100%. This seems like an opportunity that Woodpeckers doesn’t fully grasp. This should be a new product that will be available on a continuous basis. If that were the case, additions and tweaks could be implemented on an ongoing basis that will further solidify its demand over the years as opposed to over just the next few months.  Once it’s released, it’s pretty much forgotten because it’s no longer available.

Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Brice Burrell on December 02, 2017, 09:50 AM
You guys are probably overestimating the demand.  Festool stopped selling the MFS for a reason, because the demand wasn't there.  Don't get me wrong I don't like the limited availability of products, however, this OTT model seems to be working for Woodpeckers.   
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on December 02, 2017, 12:02 PM
Festool stopped selling the MFS for a reason ...
"Reason" is not the term I woul use describing Festool marketing strategies.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ScoFF on December 02, 2017, 09:00 PM
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on December 03, 2017, 10:32 AM
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on December 03, 2017, 11:18 AM
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html (https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html)
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5" and therefore the 32" rails would allow about 27" of router cutting.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on December 03, 2017, 11:27 AM
I think you mean 27" for the 32" track. You only need to take off 5" from whatever track length to know it's approximate max cutting allowance.

I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5" and therefore the 32" rails would allow about 17" of router cutting.
Urgh, sorry, thanks for the catch. I just woke up. Fixed the post.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on December 03, 2017, 12:17 PM
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5"
They are the same 3.85" width.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on December 03, 2017, 05:18 PM
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5"
They are the same 3.85" width.
Huh, then perhaps the other 1.15" comes from the guide bushing?
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: HAXIT on December 03, 2017, 07:08 PM
The original one before festool was GEAT SYSTEM and was sold in U.S by woodworkersdepot.
Click on infomaterial then sdg English.
 http://www.geatsystem.com/geatwd/dt.php
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on December 03, 2017, 09:16 PM
The original one before festool was GEAT SYSTEM and was sold in U.S by woodworkersdepot.
Click on infomaterial then sdg English.
 http://www.geatsystem.com/geatwd/dt.php
They are thicker (20 mm) than FT or WP and unlikely to work with standard rail clamps. The latter is probably not important.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on December 04, 2017, 09:56 AM
Huh, then perhaps the other 1.15" comes from the guide bushing?

If you use a 1010 with a 10.8mm bushing = .425"
a 1400 with a 24mm bushing = .945"
a 2200 with a 17mm bushing = .670"

So, I don't know where the measurement discrepancy lies, however, it could be as simple as the word Woodpeckers chose to use in the ad copy,
"18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on December 04, 2017, 11:47 AM
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.

If you need to use the entire length of the rail, you can always reconfigure it in this manner. That way you have the full length of the rail minus the diameter of the router bushing used.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on December 05, 2017, 05:04 PM
FYI, CarbideProcessors.com has this OTT free shipping and with 10% off using the code "creekers". Best deal youll find on any Woodpeckers OTT everytime.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: eeeesh on December 05, 2017, 07:22 PM
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on December 05, 2017, 09:00 PM
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: eeeesh on December 10, 2017, 01:28 AM
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.

They added it to their website now.  I just ordered it
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on December 10, 2017, 01:04 PM
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.

They added it to their website now.  I just ordered it
Thats good news. Im still kinda going back and forth on this one though. Just as I did when I had a chance to get the MFS. Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Svar on December 10, 2017, 02:00 PM
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: ben_r_ on December 10, 2017, 02:39 PM
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.
Thats what Im thinking too. So if one has a Domino and say another option for cutting circles (Micro Fence Circle Jig) what else do they use the MFS for? Inlays? Insetting a router plate into a table top?
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: SoonerFan on December 17, 2017, 08:27 PM
Cheese,
Thanks for taking the time to call them and for getting the answers.  I found all the information helpful.  I was a little bummed to hear they would not offer the "stabilizer".  That is a nice piece of kit and works with lots of template guide sizes.  I guess one could do what Woodpeckers stated but that little stabilizer was a nice touch.

Like many I wish this were and always for sale tool.  Would be nice to have an MFS like option for those that did not get one of the originals.

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5. Festool offers a router support, the 465489, which supports the other side of the router when the rails are spread apart. Do you plan on offering something similar?

No, we are not. I have owned the MFS400 for several years now, and that adapter will only work on Festool Routers. It would be pretty much impossible to have an adapter for every major router manufacturer out there. For mine, I milled some hardwood to the thickness of the track, (approximately .700), put a counterbored hole in it, and attached that to my router.
 
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Naildrivingman on December 17, 2017, 08:57 PM
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.
Thats what Im thinking too. So if one has a Domino and say another option for cutting circles (Micro Fence Circle Jig) what else do they use the MFS for? Inlays? Insetting a router plate into a table top?
@ben_r_ do you ever have a need to mortise pocket door pulls or size wood floor registers?  The MFS works well for that.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Cheese on December 17, 2017, 09:59 PM
Cheese,
Thanks for taking the time to call them and for getting the answers.  I found all the information helpful.  I was a little bummed to hear they would not offer the "stabilizer".  That is a nice piece of kit and works with lots of template guide sizes.  I guess one could do what Woodpeckers stated but that little stabilizer was a nice touch.

Ya I knew this was a dead end before I called them. But you still have to ask the question.

I think modifying the Festool stabilizer is a pretty straight forward task. ‘Tis easier to add on than take off. Once it’s gone, it’s gone, but if you need to add just a little.. you can.
Title: Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
Post by: Michael Kellough on December 17, 2017, 10:02 PM
DIY shouldn't be too difficult.