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Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2017, 09:40 PM »
It would seem they could do a 48 inch length on that machine. The question is why Woodpeckers is not recognizing a sustainable market for this product. One could argue it might be more user friendly than the MFS and has the potential for added componentry, like for countertop joining or special radius inserts for the corners to make custom cut-outs.

I agree 100%. This seems like an opportunity that Woodpeckers doesn’t fully grasp. This should be a new product that will be available on a continuous basis. If that were the case, additions and tweaks could be implemented on an ongoing basis that will further solidify its demand over the years as opposed to over just the next few months.  Once it’s released, it’s pretty much forgotten because it’s no longer available.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2017, 09:50 AM »
You guys are probably overestimating the demand.  Festool stopped selling the MFS for a reason, because the demand wasn't there.  Don't get me wrong I don't like the limited availability of products, however, this OTT model seems to be working for Woodpeckers.   
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Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2017, 12:02 PM »
Festool stopped selling the MFS for a reason ...
"Reason" is not the term I woul use describing Festool marketing strategies.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2017, 09:00 PM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2017, 10:32 AM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2017, 11:18 AM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5" and therefore the 32" rails would allow about 27" of router cutting.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2017, 11:27 AM by ben_r_ »
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Offline ben_r_

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2017, 11:27 AM »
I think you mean 27" for the 32" track. You only need to take off 5" from whatever track length to know it's approximate max cutting allowance.

I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.


The current ad copy for Woodpeckers reads, "The standard 18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".

https://www.woodpeck.com/variable-router-jig.html
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5" and therefore the 32" rails would allow about 17" of router cutting.
Urgh, sorry, thanks for the catch. I just woke up. Fixed the post.
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Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2017, 12:17 PM »
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5"
They are the same 3.85" width.

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2017, 05:18 PM »
Since the 18" and 32" track "appear" to be the same width, it might be safe to say they are roughly 5"
They are the same 3.85" width.
Huh, then perhaps the other 1.15" comes from the guide bushing?
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Offline HAXIT

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2017, 07:08 PM »
The original one before festool was GEAT SYSTEM and was sold in U.S by woodworkersdepot.
Click on infomaterial then sdg English.
 http://www.geatsystem.com/geatwd/dt.php

Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2017, 09:16 PM »
The original one before festool was GEAT SYSTEM and was sold in U.S by woodworkersdepot.
Click on infomaterial then sdg English.
 http://www.geatsystem.com/geatwd/dt.php
They are thicker (20 mm) than FT or WP and unlikely to work with standard rail clamps. The latter is probably not important.

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2017, 09:56 AM »
Huh, then perhaps the other 1.15" comes from the guide bushing?

If you use a 1010 with a 10.8mm bushing = .425"
a 1400 with a 24mm bushing = .945"
a 2200 with a 17mm bushing = .670"

So, I don't know where the measurement discrepancy lies, however, it could be as simple as the word Woodpeckers chose to use in the ad copy,
"18" long sides allow about 13" of router cutting".
« Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 10:40 AM by Cheese »

Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2017, 11:47 AM »
I'm wondering what size area the 32"x32" track would give you for inside routability. Not sure if the width or the tracks and accounting for the bushing.
Anyone with the MFS700 know?   I do a lot of cutting boards with juice catchers and want to know it's limits for cutting board sizes.

If you need to use the entire length of the rail, you can always reconfigure it in this manner. That way you have the full length of the rail minus the diameter of the router bushing used.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2017, 05:04 PM »
FYI, CarbideProcessors.com has this OTT free shipping and with 10% off using the code "creekers". Best deal youll find on any Woodpeckers OTT everytime.
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Offline eeeesh

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2017, 07:22 PM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2017, 09:00 PM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.
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Offline eeeesh

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2017, 01:28 AM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.

They added it to their website now.  I just ordered it

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2017, 01:04 PM »
I called them this afternoon and they are looking into it.
I emailed them too. Good for them to know there is interest.

They added it to their website now.  I just ordered it
Thats good news. Im still kinda going back and forth on this one though. Just as I did when I had a chance to get the MFS. Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
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Offline Svar

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2017, 02:00 PM »
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.

Offline ben_r_

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2017, 02:39 PM »
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.
Thats what Im thinking too. So if one has a Domino and say another option for cutting circles (Micro Fence Circle Jig) what else do they use the MFS for? Inlays? Insetting a router plate into a table top?
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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2017, 08:27 PM »
Cheese,
Thanks for taking the time to call them and for getting the answers.  I found all the information helpful.  I was a little bummed to hear they would not offer the "stabilizer".  That is a nice piece of kit and works with lots of template guide sizes.  I guess one could do what Woodpeckers stated but that little stabilizer was a nice touch.

Like many I wish this were and always for sale tool.  Would be nice to have an MFS like option for those that did not get one of the originals.

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5. Festool offers a router support, the 465489, which supports the other side of the router when the rails are spread apart. Do you plan on offering something similar?

No, we are not. I have owned the MFS400 for several years now, and that adapter will only work on Festool Routers. It would be pretty much impossible to have an adapter for every major router manufacturer out there. For mine, I milled some hardwood to the thickness of the track, (approximately .700), put a counterbored hole in it, and attached that to my router.
 

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2017, 08:57 PM »
Im just not sure what, other than door hinge routing, I would use a setup like this for. And if I did get it just for hinge routing, Id really only need the 18" set.
MFS is very awkward for hinges. There are better dedicated templates for fraction of the cost.
Thats what Im thinking too. So if one has a Domino and say another option for cutting circles (Micro Fence Circle Jig) what else do they use the MFS for? Inlays? Insetting a router plate into a table top?
@ben_r_ do you ever have a need to mortise pocket door pulls or size wood floor registers?  The MFS works well for that.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2017, 09:59 PM »
Cheese,
Thanks for taking the time to call them and for getting the answers.  I found all the information helpful.  I was a little bummed to hear they would not offer the "stabilizer".  That is a nice piece of kit and works with lots of template guide sizes.  I guess one could do what Woodpeckers stated but that little stabilizer was a nice touch.

Ya I knew this was a dead end before I called them. But you still have to ask the question.

I think modifying the Festool stabilizer is a pretty straight forward task. ‘Tis easier to add on than take off. Once it’s gone, it’s gone, but if you need to add just a little.. you can.

Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Woodpeckers New One Time Tool - MFS clone
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2017, 10:02 PM »
DIY shouldn't be too difficult.