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Offline barnowl

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You guys who do not have a Domino....
« on: April 29, 2012, 04:47 PM »
.....you are really missing the boat.  ;)

Every time I use mine, (one of the original pin models) I cannot believe how much engineering went into it, an how much it truly revolutionized woodworking.

Having always gone the old route of mortises and tenon, and dadoing for shelves, it was always labor intensive,

and required allot of calculations for required additional length of stock for tenons, etc, and precise configuration of machining all.

Now, cut the stock to the exact finished length, draw a few pencil reference lines, and voila!!!

Anytime, anyplace. No matter how long the stock, or how small.







And while I've never studied it, I'd bet money that the properly glued Domino joint is actually stronger than a dado joint,

considering that one of the mating pieces for solid stock is end grain.

I can't see purchasing the new larger version myself, as I have no need, I can see it revolutionizing the 6 panel door industry.

best wishes,

Steve

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Offline waho6o9

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 04:54 PM »
I retract the paddles on mine and it makes for an easier time joining the different parts together.

Offline jacko9

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 04:58 PM »
I would encourage anybody even slightly interested in a Domino Joiner to review some of Paul Marcel's videos available on this site.

Another use of the Domino in furniture construction is to use the Domino joiner for the mortise and then cut the tenon on your table saw.  I attached a picture of a mirror joint that is slightly over 2" wide and 1 3/8" long that was cut with my Domino joiner which was much quicker than setting up my plunge router.

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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 05:09 PM »
.....you are really missing the boat.  ;)

Hey, whadya makin' there? Looks pretty "inersting"
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Offline nydesign

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2012, 05:13 PM »
.....you are really missing the boat.  ;)

I'm on the boat  [big grin] I think the domino is one of the best tool purchases I made last year.
It let me complete projects quickly I would have never been able to do without it.
I used it yesterday to make a compound angled mahogany table base in one afternoon, in the past it would have
taken at least a couple of days!

Offline FEStastic

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2012, 05:19 PM »
love the domino, making things faster










great investment for me, still find myself smiling using it

Offline adubeau

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2012, 05:30 PM »
I use mine any chance I get its great.. and better than a biscuit joiner.... I did not want to shell out th emoney but I got lucky here  and was able to pick one up with the systainer full of dominoes.. for a much easier to justify price...

If you don't' have one, get one you won't be disappointed....
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Offline barnowl

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2012, 05:36 PM »

Hey, whadya makin' there? Looks pretty "inersting"
Tim

I'm making a 36" x 72" cherry executive desk, with raised paneled sides, and curly cherry drawer fronts.

The "dust panels" are 5/8" baltic birch, 3" wide, mortised and tenoned open frames.

I decided to do it that way so that I could fasten the side pieces of the baltic birch frames to the cherry panels with the Domino,

and then slide in the front and rear pieces of the baltic birch frames to a squared assembly.

Strong!!!  
 
best wishes,

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Offline barnowl

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2012, 05:41 PM »
I use mine any chance I get its great.. and better than a biscuit joiner....

That's the ONE thing that confuses people.

Had a fellow woodworker from New York visit today, and I mentioned the Domino to him.

He says: "Oh, like a cross between a biscuit joiner and a loose tenon?"

Says I: "The only comparison to the biscuit joiner is the physical size and the ability to hand hold it."
best wishes,

Steve

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Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2012, 05:50 PM »
I've never understood the biscuit joiner... I prefer them fork-split myself.  [tongue]

Nice project, barnowl and FEStastic... I said "Oh, wow" aloud when I saw FEStastic's backyard in the photos!

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Offline jacko9

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2012, 06:54 PM »
Guys,  I'll never regret my Domino joiner purchase but, I was able to make furniture with my Lamello Biscuit joiner also (it only took a lot longer).  Attached is a mahogany TV cabinet that I made entirely out of # 6 biscuits in s double stack array across all joints.  I must have used over 200 joints in this cabinet, it's 42" wide x 21" deep and 64" high.  The mahogany finished out at 1" thick and this cabinet has been in use for over 25 years and has housed some pretty hefty Sony XBR televisions without any loose joints.  The bottom doors have solid panels cut from a single piece of mahogany.

I could build this with my Domino joiner in 1/10 the time it took me do do originally (but there was no Domino back then).
« Last Edit: April 29, 2012, 06:56 PM by jacko9 »

Offline barnowl

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 07:25 PM »

...Nice project, barnowl and FEStastic... I said "Oh, wow" aloud when I saw FEStastic's backyard in the photos!...



Define FEStastic.

Not familiar with you term.
best wishes,

Steve

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Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 07:29 PM »
FEStastic is a poster's name who posted photos of a Mahogany table earlier in the thread.
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Offline victor rasilla

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 10:31 PM »
I've been looking hard at a domino purchase lately and a little concerned about the plastic pegs over the the original pins style. I checked one out at a dealer and the demo unit they had out had plastic pegs that stuck in the retracted position when the fence was down at 90. I've been keeping my eye out on ebay to see about picking up a pin version. Any thoughts? Am I over analyzing it? Is the plastic pegs ok? Did i just see a bum or abused unit that had the sticky pegs? Should i hold out to find a pin version for sale? Do miniature pigs really make good pets?

Offline Jesse Cloud

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 12:06 AM »
I've been looking hard at a domino purchase lately and a little concerned about the plastic pegs over the the original pins style. I checked one out at a dealer and the demo unit they had out had plastic pegs that stuck in the retracted position when the fence was down at 90. I've been keeping my eye out on ebay to see about picking up a pin version. Any thoughts? Am I over analyzing it? Is the plastic pegs ok? Did i just see a bum or abused unit that had the sticky pegs? Should i hold out to find a pin version for sale? Do miniature pigs really make good pets?

Hey Victor,
Yeah, I think you may be overthinking it.  The Domino is really a game changer.  I can do a project in a morning that would take a week with traditional mortise and tenon and the quality is better. 
I may be the odd man out on this, but I never use the pins.  As I understand it, they are mainly for quick and dirty alignment mortises for making panels.  In my opinion, a careful glue up makes this unnecessary, just pay attention while the glue is flexible and get them flush.  Putting in a lot of alignment dominoes just makes more chances for error. 

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 12:11 AM »
Any thoughts? Am I over analyzing it? Is the plastic pegs ok? Did i just see a bum or abused unit that had the sticky pegs? Should i hold out to find a pin version for sale?

I use the plastic pins for lining up dominos on the edge all the time. Works for me. If I need to space evenly down a board I will use a pencil mark. nothing to it. Works fast.
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Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 12:17 AM »
Prior to the release of the Self-Centering Guide (known as Floyd: SCG-10), I'd never take a paddle fence over a pin fence; there are some spacers you can pop on and off the pins that make assembly wicked fast.  The SCG-10 can do the same thing although speed-wise, the narrow stock spacers are a whole different level of wicked.

But if you are looking to buy a Domino, don't get hung up on the fence.  Any unit will greatly increase your productivity.  If later you really want the other fence (than whichever you have), I'm certain you could post about it and find someone wanting your fence.  They can be easily swapped out.
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Offline ccarrolladams

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 12:36 AM »
Having seen and used the Domino 500 in Europe before it was released in the USA, I pre-ordered one. Of course that one had the pins. About a year later I needed a second Domino. By then only the plastic paddle version were available.

So for a long time I have used both styles of Domino. For me both work swell. They are precise.

The thing to remember is it takes a whole lot of practice to be effective using a Domino. There are a million tricks and to learn those having an experienced coach will save a lot of time. All last week I participated in an End User Cabinet/Doors combo class in Henderson, NV with Steve Bace as trainer. Two of the participants own Domino 500 which they had not used. I was the only person in the class who earns a living from cabinet making.

By the end of the second day of cabinet making, using several sizes of Dominoes in many ways, even the least experienced participant was confident about using the Domino 500. When anyone had doubts, Steve Bace was right there to offer a suggestion how a certain approach would best suit the body type of the individual. Some methods work better for a few people.

Had we been taking that class in Lebanon, IN it would have been Brian Sedgeley providing the coaching. Back in 2010 there were 8 participants in classes, so both Steve and Brian were our trainers. It has been marvelous for me to benefit from coaching by Steve and Brian.

I buy Dominoes several big packs at a time. I have used the Domino to make thousands of mortises. And yet I still believe it is worth the time and money to get refresher coaching from time to time.

Offline barnowl

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2012, 06:11 AM »
FEStastic is a poster's name who posted photos of a Mahogany table earlier in the thread.

Oops.

Sorry FEStastic.  My mistake.
best wishes,

Steve

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 06:26 AM »
I think anyone on the fence should get it quickly, because when the XL comes out the fence will only get higher and bigger!
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Offline Kev

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2012, 06:38 AM »
I think anyone on the fence should get it quickly, because when the XL comes out the fence will only get higher and bigger!

Oh that's right - the American colonies are still waiting for the XL. That'll teach you not to invent your own standards  [big grin]

Offline Ted Miller

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2012, 01:10 PM »
I've been looking hard at a domino purchase lately and a little concerned about the plastic pegs over the the original pins style. I checked one out at a dealer and the demo unit they had out had plastic pegs that stuck in the retracted position when the fence was down at 90. I've been keeping my eye out on ebay to see about picking up a pin version. Any thoughts? Am I over analyzing it? Is the plastic pegs ok? Did i just see a bum or abused unit that had the sticky pegs? Should i hold out to find a pin version for sale? Do miniature pigs really make good pets?

Victor, I dislike the pins, ok I hate the pins, they get in my way. Plus they tend to push the material away from you a bit as you plunge. I decided I would purchase a new fence with the paddle style pins, so that way I could retract them for good.

For the first time in my life I got lucky, found a used Domino on eBay, no systainer, cord or bits, for the price of the fence from Ekat. When I rec'd the used Domino I punched out the pins on the fence and just love it.

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Offline Don T

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2012, 02:42 PM »
I would not let the pins be the deciding factor.  I use the pins on the first cut from the edge only then use pencil lines.  This is an awesome machine.
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Offline victor rasilla

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2012, 11:21 PM »
thanks everybody for the opinions!  Looks like a Domino is in my near future.  I like the sound of the plastic pegs being retractable rather the the pins having to only be pushed in to retract for the duration of the cut.  I was really turned off of the pegs when I saw a demo unit at a dealer and the when the fence was stiff close to 90 and I had to push it to get to 90 and then when i pushed the pegs in they were binding and staying stuck in the retracted position then when i released the fence and started to bring it up the pegs popped out freely. Maybe that unit just had too many grubby hands on it or something.

Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2012, 11:29 PM »
If you couldn't get the fence down to 90, it is likely they had the height adjustment bottomed out; on the pin fence, the bottomed out height is where the fence can't pivot down to 90.

Like I said, get whichever unit you get a good deal on.  If it comes with the fence you don't want, 'fence' it up here in classifieds... someone will want your more than the model you want :)
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Offline victor rasilla

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2012, 12:16 AM »
If you couldn't get the fence down to 90, it is likely they had the height adjustment bottomed out; on the pin fence, the bottomed out height is where the fence can't pivot down to 90.

Like I said, get whichever unit you get a good deal on.  If it comes with the fence you don't want, 'fence' it up here in classifieds... someone will want your more than the model you want :)

That could be it. I really didn't check it out that closely and mostly just focused of the pegs since i've been freting about that before i take the thousand dollar plunge in dominoland. I can see myself not using the pegs that much anyway and following pencil layouts mostly.

And Paul, thanks for all your time investment into the video reviews! Sometimes I'll just let them play on my second monitor when I have to work at my desk and can't get my festool fix from being in the shop!

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2012, 05:20 AM »
That could be it. I really didn't check it out that closely and mostly just focused of the pegs since i've been freting about that before i take the thousand dollar plunge in dominoland. I can see myself not using the pegs that much anyway and following pencil layouts mostly.

The pegs are the biggest time saver on the domino, in some cases you can make frames entirely without any marking needed. I will use them whenever possible, having to place a mark often takes more time than doing the plunge. My 500 has the paddles and i never bothered to retract them at all, you do need to be careful because it can cause small inaccuracies because they tend to push the fence up and away from the workpiece, but it's very rare. And my 700 has the 6 pins, which are more practical to retract, but i found they can get annoying when mortising a piece that has a groove where the pins tend to get stuck in and making it hard to position the fence correctly.
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Offline victor rasilla

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2012, 08:43 AM »
Thats good points timtool, i can see the pins working great for registering from the last plunge but the pegs, do they fit into the domino mortise for the same type of registration?

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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2012, 12:14 PM »
Oh that's right - the American colonies are still waiting for the XL. That'll teach you not to invent your own standards  [big grin]


And what would those be?


Imperial units were invented in England and were the standard throughout the British Empire (thus the name) for quite some time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units


We simply stuck with it when everyone else started changing their measurement systems.



As to 110/120V... well, someone had to start somewhere: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1033/how-come-the-u-s-uses-120-volt-electricity-not-240-like-the-rest-of-the-world


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Re: You guys who do not have a Domino....
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2012, 01:01 PM »
Oh that's right - the American colonies are still waiting for the XL. That'll teach you not to invent your own standards  [big grin]


And what would those be?


Imperial units were invented in England and were the standard throughout the British Empire (thus the name) for quite some time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units


We simply stuck with it when everyone else started changing their measurement systems.



As to 110/120V... well, someone had to start somewhere: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1033/how-come-the-u-s-uses-120-volt-electricity-not-240-like-the-rest-of-the-world




I do have a clue (being originally British and all). The "US gallon", "Short ton" ... hmmm.

But regardless ... it was tongue in cheek.