Author Topic: 18V Impact driver  (Read 7883 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline smunter1

  • Posts: 9
18V Impact driver
« on: December 05, 2016, 04:16 PM »
An 18V impact driver would be great!

Festool USA does not pre-approve the contents of this website nor endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual. Although Festool strives for accuracy in the website material, the website may contain inaccuracies. Festool makes no representations about the accuracy, reliability, completeness or timeliness of the material on this website or about the results to be obtained from using the website. Festool and its affiliates cannot be responsible for improper postings or your reliance on the website's material. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.


Offline demographic

  • Posts: 317
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 02:13 PM »
Sure would, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned it yet...

Offline Mike Upstate

  • Posts: 8
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2016, 08:40 PM »
Way overdue, in my ignorance invested $600 in FT's 18v system assuming I could add the impact driver after acquiring the PDC  [sad].  Still need to keep dewalt 18v batts and impact driver in kit. [mad]

Offline Distinctive Interiors

  • Posts: 288
  • Modern Kitchen Specialist
    • distinterior.com
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2016, 04:41 AM »
My intuition tells me it will be here in 2017...... Maybe, thats whats going to be announced by Festool "Live" this evening...???!!!

Offline Kev

  • Posts: 7647
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2016, 04:52 AM »
My intuition tells me it will be here in 2017...... Maybe, thats whats going to be announced by Festool "Live" this evening...???!!!

@Distinctive Interiors my advice would be not to bet the farm on that.

Offline Distinctive Interiors

  • Posts: 288
  • Modern Kitchen Specialist
    • distinterior.com
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2016, 07:34 AM »
My intuition tells me it will be here in 2017...... Maybe, thats whats going to be announced by Festool "Live" this evening...???!!!

@Distinctive Interiors my advice would be not to bet the farm on that.

@Kev

Which..??    You doubt an impact driver will be available in 2017..??? ...or that it wiil be this evenings announcement..??

Offline antss

  • Posts: 1373
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2016, 08:08 AM »
Either one.

Offline Kev

  • Posts: 7647
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2016, 08:15 AM »
Either one.

@Distinctive Interiors ans per @antss ... a new KS60 must have taken 10x design and development effort over a new 18V impact. The "need" for an impact to replace the somewhat embarrassing Ti15 has been very public, yet we hear zero!

I'd be pleased to be wrong, but I don't feel it [sad]

Offline antss

  • Posts: 1373
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2016, 10:22 AM »
My take is that Festool Germany takes an entirely different approach to what they bring to market than to survey the needs of tradesmen.  Particularly the U.S. ones.

I'm pretty sure no one in a marketing survey ever said they needed or wanted a portable tenoning tool. Yet, Domino has been an unequivocal home run that has prompted a followup act - the 700series.

Perhaps a jobsite radio was mentioned, and delivered.  But, it sorta pales in comparison as it doesn't act as a battery charger and is not digital like many of the competitors.  The compact drill xs series was waaaaay late to the party and is pretty whimpy in performance and is not brushless.  Superior ergonomics appeals to the faithful ; but isn't enough for , mass appeal when compared to the pioneering co.'s lineup breadth and battery tech.

It seems kind haphazard what and when they launch things , but they keep plodding along and we keep buying. So...............................................


Offline Alec Buscemi

  • Posts: 29
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2017, 11:38 AM »
Bump this! This tool is absolutely needed. Be it in a cxs impact or full sized.

Offline Mort

  • Posts: 353
  • World's Tallest Midget
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2017, 12:25 PM »
Or both
I hate signatures.

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 3594
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2017, 01:03 PM »
The Festool impact driver survey was issued in late 2015 or early 2016...so just tack on an additional 2-3 years.  [scratch chin]
« Last Edit: May 29, 2017, 04:43 PM by Cheese »

Offline MaineShop

  • Posts: 26
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2017, 02:07 PM »
I have a lot of green tools but they can't be my go to brand without one. Most used tool on many days, and the primary use of any battery system.

Offline GarryMartin

  • Posts: 1629
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2017, 03:40 PM »
Festool have all but confirmed there will be an impact driver. Now, whether that will be a 2017 or 2018 release is really anyone's guess at this stage though.

Offline Phil Beckley

  • Festool Employee
  • *
  • Posts: 1412
  • Ask the question, and get the discussion going...
    • youtube - Festool U.K
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 04:36 PM »
Festool have all but confirmed there will be an impact driver. Now, whether that will be a 2017 or 2018 release is really anyone's guess at this stage though.

......really?
rg
Phil
Festool U.K Employee | Festool UK Website


Offline antss

  • Posts: 1373
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2017, 04:53 PM »
@Cheese - was that survey on FOG, or did they mail it to you ?

Anyone else participate ?

TylerC is on record here saying there WILL NOT be one in 2017 or 2018.  I'm not sure whether he was speaking just for NA or Worldwide.

Which begs the question: why not ?

Offline Phil Beckley

  • Festool Employee
  • *
  • Posts: 1412
  • Ask the question, and get the discussion going...
    • youtube - Festool U.K
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 04:56 PM »
@Cheese - was that survey on FOG, or did they mail it to you ?

Anyone else participate ?

TylerC is on record here saying there WILL NOT be one in 2017 or 2018.  I'm not sure whether he was speaking just for NA or Worldwide.

Which begs the question: why not ?

......hence the reason why nothing is said about possible, potential or not at all releases.
rg
Phil
Festool U.K Employee | Festool UK Website


Offline antss

  • Posts: 1373
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2017, 05:07 PM »
Phil, just what exactly are you trying to not-say?

Offline Phil Beckley

  • Festool Employee
  • *
  • Posts: 1412
  • Ask the question, and get the discussion going...
    • youtube - Festool U.K
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 05:10 PM »
Phil, just what exactly are you trying to not-say?

.....all I am doing is pointing out that overall nothing is said about releases until set deadlines - it avoids rumours
Phil
Festool U.K Employee | Festool UK Website


Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 3594
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2017, 05:35 PM »
@Cheese - was that survey on FOG, or did they mail it to you ?

Emailed it to me...I think they got my email through tool registration or possibly through purchasing parts from customer service. It was interesting though, especially the torque sensing questions.

Offline rst

  • Posts: 1551
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 07:52 PM »
I also received the survey via E mail.  I currently have two 18v Milwaukee impacts, one is the new Surge brushless.  I also have a 12v Milwaukee.  My use is mostly in metal and with a lot of self drilling metal screws.  As a commercial steel and aluminum entrance installer, doing automatic door and locksmithing work, my opinion is that they probably my most important installation tools.

Offline Cheese

  • Posts: 3594
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 12:00 PM »
I currently have two 18v Milwaukee impacts, one is the new Surge brushless.

@rst ...Not to change the subject...what do you think of the new Milwaukee brushless? I have an old Milwaukee V28 and it's a real piece of crap.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 08:01 PM by Cheese »

Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2017, 12:47 PM »
After speaking with an official German Rep today, face to face, I did learn that an Impact is "coming". No release date, no additional info other than 18V and he openly said that they are not allowed or supposed to talk about future products as things could change directions so tell no promises - tell no lies...

...I told him I had the Ti15 but didn't like it and he said, No - that was a piece of cr*p! I though I misheard him and he repeated that the Ti15 was a piece of cr*p - in his view. Then he acknowledged after a longer conversation that there has been a long process convincing the developing team that an impact is a purposeful tool - they seemed not so popular in Germany. He himself did not like them at all at first but he said he now definitely understand both the purpose and value of the impact driver. We talked about some scenarios and he agreed to all of them and slipped out that an impact was in the works - mid sentence - and then realized he slipped it out and said - well, yes, there is one in development but we have no release date yet. "Maybe within a year".

I asked him about the possibility of a CXS impact and he looked puzzled and said No, 18V only. Asked him about CXS/TXS brushless and again he thought that No, would make them a little too expensive. So apparently not even considered yet.  [unsure]

We talked on about a lot of the line up and wants and wishes and how we would use any "potential" machines. After half an hour we let him off the hook with a few bits of information and sadly a few straight denials of future products that I'd like to see. He took notes on some ad hoc solutions to some products I had made and was amused about the fact I had equipped a MIDI Vac with a cable garage from a CT26. Then he disclosed that there is a new smooth hose being developed and urged us to keep an eye out since it would be quite flexible and solve the rail dragging problem. :)

On the way out I grabbed the Hitachi Impact - which is a fantastic machine - and then the German rep poked me and said "No, wait a little, until next year".  [big grin]

That is not an official Festool statement but three hints in 30 minutes about the impact as well as a lengthy and informed conversation on the matter leads me to HOPE MORE that an Impact may very well hit the shelves next year.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline demographic

  • Posts: 317
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2017, 02:11 PM »
I wonder if it will have a decent belt hook, tried one of Festools cordless drills a while ago and that flappy thing on the site was just pathetic.

I have a Hitachi 18 volt brushless impact driver and it just has a metal hook thing thats brilliant, just drip the gun down and it hangs off the hammer loop or the side of the pockets of my toolbelt pouch.

The one on the T 18 thing I tried was just darn irritating to use and to me looked like Stevie Wonder designed it.

Offline rst

  • Posts: 1551
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2017, 05:18 PM »
I have the Milwaukee 18V hydraulic impact driver and it is amazingly quiet and the ability to adjust the torque is incredibly useful.

Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2017, 05:32 PM »
Considering the many great impacts out there today I am hoping for a compact and decent offering from Festool. No frills.
I was hoping a bit more refined than the Metabo I have (works great though) but even that would suffice.

If it is approaching Makita, Hitachi or Milwaukee in footprint and capability - hellayeah!
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Kev

  • Posts: 7647
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2017, 08:15 PM »
The Makita oil-impulse format (low noise) would be attractive to me .. assuming the drive format doesn't change the performance significantly. Add Centrotec compatibility and match the battery platform - DONE!

All said, the Makita oil-impulse impact and the Makita cordless router are the two tools that could swing yet another battery platform into the stable [unsure]

The Metabo brushless 400Nm impact wrench is a nice tool .. if you're happy with different tools for low power and high power use it's a good option and I can't see Festool addressing the impact wrench product gap in the next 5 years or so!

Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2017, 01:04 PM »
Kev: I am neck deep into Mafell/Metabo 18V so that wrench is certainly on the radar. As a bare bones unit it is quite affordable and one dealership is running a special on a few brands, Metabo included.

For Festool I "only" have the T18, C18, BHC18 and the DWC 18-2500. I'd like to keep the driving/drilling in Festool for as much as possible for interior work - I like Centrotec.

Outdoors I work the Mafell/Metabo 18V impulse drill/driver, hammer drill from Metabo and their old but reliable impact.
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline yetihunter

  • Posts: 374
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2017, 12:39 AM »
Henrik, have you eyed the new 3 speed Metabo that replaces the BS/SB 18 LTX BL and BS/SB 18 LTX BL QUICK?
I believe it is the BS/SB 18 LTX-3 BL and BS/SB 18 LTX-3 BL QUICK.   :o

My local Metabo dealer finally got some new/newish Metabo stuff in (actually, they got in new angle grinders, last year...the
first new Metabo stuff there in years...not the fault of the store..) and now I get it.  Their new cordless range of the last few years seems leagues ahead of their prior power tools.   The only drill there similar to yours was the tapping drill that came out last winter. 
It was really nice.   And it totally made that electronic whine noise that you referred to as a constant beep.    [big grin]

I did finally buy a FEIN ASCM last week!  the 18, not the 12.  [big grin]
It wasn't for me.   I was about to put the A18 (with an additional purchase of a 110V charger and compact batteries)
on my next drill to try list; but I found out about the 3 speed Metabo and...well... 3,800 rpms.   

All that said; the PDC and T18 still do everything I need. :0


Offline #Tee

  • Posts: 783
Re: 18V Impact driver
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2017, 01:11 AM »
if they make one..is it possible to make it under 130db. i try my best to never use one cause it scares the kids and cats.
When youre feeling depressed just treat yourself to a systainer even if its a mini systainer its ok.

IG: tee212