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Offline Kev

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A green laser option for the KAPEX
« on: December 07, 2011, 04:13 PM »
Really Festool - what were you thinking?

Maybe a switching option. Green/Red

While I'm at, it a laser on the Domino for good measure.

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Offline Deansocial

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 04:48 PM »
not only that but green is easier to see

Offline stairman

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 06:45 PM »
how badly do you want one?
I can change out the red laser in your saw for a GREEN one (or a blue, purple, orange, yellow...   whatever color laser you want.
they aren't cheap!   red is the least costly laser to use...
Kapex on a UG, TS75, OF1400 (x2) OF2000,,HL850,  Domino, RO90, RO125,  LS130, RAS115, MFT3, C12 Set, CXS Set, LR32 Set,  arsenal growing as fast as I can afford it!

Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set   ;  another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold...   OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ;  RS2  ;    and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET
OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.

Offline Peter Halle

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2011, 08:20 PM »
The shipping charges to and the UK would be interesting!

Peter

Offline Kev

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2011, 08:25 PM »
how badly do you want one?
I can change out the red laser in your saw for a GREEN one (or a blue, purple, orange, yellow...   whatever color laser you want.
they aren't cheap!   red is the least costly laser to use...


Does cheap include your return flight to Sydney to do the swap  [big grin]

I've actually got a few green lasers - I was toying with them to make an under water speargun sight. Unfortunately some local idiots have been menacing choppers and planes with high power green lasers ... Good chance the police will cart you away for just using one as a telescope sight.

Anyway - if someone was industrious enough to put together an upgrade kit with instructions - I'd buy one.

Offline stairman

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2011, 03:49 PM »
truth be told, I haven't really studied my Kapex very well...   _Ive been too busy using it to make $$$  8)
the first thing I would like to change is the dotted line...     I HATE that.  I want two solid lines.  no morse code looking things..

besides converting to solid, crisp,  wll defined lines,  the colors are an interesting idea...    green sounds good and all,  but,  I think blue may have a higher color temperature,  and make for a superior marking laser.   -just my presumption,  -anyone have any thoughts on this?

I am quite confident I ccould come up with a conversion kit.  whatever color...  but,  for me anyway,  if I am to do anything like this,  I would want it to offer improved performance,  not just look cool!   

by the way,  does anyone have any ideas on what would be the ideal ambient lighting for a laser guided tool?  we all know direct sunlight puts your laser out of business...   extraordinarily bright light as well,   I wonder if UV LED's would enhance the lasers image?

 
Kapex on a UG, TS75, OF1400 (x2) OF2000,,HL850,  Domino, RO90, RO125,  LS130, RAS115, MFT3, C12 Set, CXS Set, LR32 Set,  arsenal growing as fast as I can afford it!

Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set   ;  another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold...   OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ;  RS2  ;    and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET
OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.

Offline rxe

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2011, 06:03 AM »


I am quite confident I ccould come up with a conversion kit.  whatever color...  but,  for me anyway,  if I am to do anything like this,  I would want it to offer improved performance,  not just look cool!   


 

You want improvements?  Here's a suggestion from my son (aged 6).   He is fascinated by the laser, and came out with "wouldn't it be better if the laser just did the cutting rather than the blade?".   Apart from the smoke and that it would probably blind everyone within 20 feet, he has a point. 

So there you go.   Can you sort a kapex with a 20 kW laser?  Please?   Not that fussed about the colour.

Back OT, have no problems with the red laser.


Offline fdengel

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 09:36 AM »
So there you go.   Can you sort a kapex with a 20 kW laser?  Please?   Not that fussed about the colour.

Of course not... the first time you try cutting metal with it will be the last time you even notice what the color is!

Offline Kodi Crescent

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 07:05 PM »
The human eye is more adept at picking up the green wavelengths over those other colors.  However, production cost is always a factor to trade off against ergonomic considerations.

Offline Deansocial

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 05:35 PM »
isnt green 3 times easier to see than red but 3 times harder to make

Offline PaulMarcel

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 07:40 PM »
isnt green 3 times easier to see than red but 3 times harder to make

I think you're right: much easier to go in the red than making green.  [tongue]
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Offline woodie

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 08:57 PM »
If JET can pull it off certainly Festool could.

Green - MFT/3, FS 1080/2, FS 1400/2-LR32, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, Parallel Guide Set, CT 26E, CT MIDI, OF1400 EQ, LR32 Drilling Set, MFS 400 Set, MFS 700 Set, Domino DF700 Set, Domino DF500Q Set, C12 NiMH Set, T18+3 Set, 2011 Centrotec Set, RO150 FEQ, RTS400 EQ, LS130 EQ, Planex LHS225, and various accessories

Red - KSS80 EC/370, MT55cc, P1cc, F160, F110 and Aerofix Guide Rails.

Offline Kev

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2012, 04:45 AM »
If JET can pull it off certainly Festool could.



That's a very "average" review effort ... are all of there reviews on toolselectTV that bad ?

Offline stairman

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2012, 03:52 PM »
Back in '03-'04,  I went to work oon a jobsite of a large, well done,  "money no object" residence  -typical for that time era.  (those were the days!)


and the Contractor who had the general Trim Job of the home,  had setup a complete  "JET" brand shop in the largest garage.
I made trips back to my own shop rather than accepting the offer to use the Jet machines after a single attempt.
-The cool Green Laser is the only thing even slightly interesting,  and I must agree,  the Review Video is lousy.


You have to consider that when someone is reviewing a FESTOOL,  and they're excited with is,  -pleased with it,  and often entirely BLOWN AWAY by the tool,  their review is going to reflect that.

when there's nothing much to say,   well...  that's what we saw in the Jet Saw video.
Kapex on a UG, TS75, OF1400 (x2) OF2000,,HL850,  Domino, RO90, RO125,  LS130, RAS115, MFT3, C12 Set, CXS Set, LR32 Set,  arsenal growing as fast as I can afford it!

Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set   ;  another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold...   OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ;  RS2  ;    and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET
OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.

Offline woodie

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2012, 05:10 PM »
I've only watched a few of their videos, and those that I've seen are equally as bad. Ironically, the first one I watched was when I was trying to research green rotary lasers. Green rotary lasers are significantly brighter than their red counterpart, I can't imagine the difference they would make on a miter saw.
Green - MFT/3, FS 1080/2, FS 1400/2-LR32, FS 1900/2, FS 3000/2, Parallel Guide Set, CT 26E, CT MIDI, OF1400 EQ, LR32 Drilling Set, MFS 400 Set, MFS 700 Set, Domino DF700 Set, Domino DF500Q Set, C12 NiMH Set, T18+3 Set, 2011 Centrotec Set, RO150 FEQ, RTS400 EQ, LS130 EQ, Planex LHS225, and various accessories

Red - KSS80 EC/370, MT55cc, P1cc, F160, F110 and Aerofix Guide Rails.

Offline Steve R

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2012, 06:15 PM »
Being that many men are red color blind it would be nice to have a green laser option.  Thinking back on when the Kapex was designed Green was not an option. As a firearms instructor, I have followed Green laser development as a company just 2 miles from my house makes green lasers for firearms targeting systems. When Green lasers were first introduced they had a few issues.  The were a lot more expensive, they ran hot and consumed a lot more power. Only recently have they gotten them to run cooler, at a lower cost and use less power to be the point of being practical. Green does work better in daylight. You can site in a target at 2-300 feet with green daylight... red maybe 50 in daylight

Would I swap out my red for a green on the Kapex... in a word No.  If red on the Kapex failed and had to be replaced. I would move to green if cost was close to the red. I'm just not sighting in wood from 50 feet.... so read is fine for me.

Cheers,
Steve
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Offline mhch

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Re: A green laser option for the KAPEX
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2012, 05:28 AM »

Can't resist ...  [eek]

Many men might be red color blind .... but some are green too .... I am.

Being color blind makes one think that a lot of things, whatever they are, aren't designed with proper attention to the problem !!!

Please never ever think a specific color is better than another one ... May be for you, but possibly not for others !!