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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2011, 11:43 AM » |
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So,like I said before, do you not have any electrical equipment of any kind that is in a plastic outer casing?
I agree with JRB cnt see it has anything to do with the plastic. I have not tried but if you put a lighter on a systainer will it just fly up in flames? I dont think so. I think it will just go black and melt which is just the same as many appliances with plastic would react in just the same way if you held a flame on it. ABS will only set on fire and I think many appliances with plastic will be the same if its exposed to extreme temperature so like throwing it into a wood fire which it then needs to be exposed to for a small period for it to melt and then boil for the fumes to ignite. Now to me if lets say the compressor gets so HOT that it then starts to melt and boil ABS for the fumes coming of the ABS to ignite then I think its the tool which needs looking at to prevent this as the tools should not do this in or out of a box as either way in or out of the box its dangerous. If it was due to an electrical fault and a sudden short circuit causes this short burst of heat and flame this would not last long enough to set ABS on fire but just melt it. JMB |
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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2011, 12:19 PM » |
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So,like I said before, do you not have any electrical equipment of any kind that is in a plastic outer casing?
I agree with JRB cnt see it has anything to do with the plastic. I have not tried but if you put a lighter on a systainer will it just fly up in flames? I dont think so. I think it will just go black and melt which is just the same as many appliances with plastic would react in just the same way if you held a flame on it. ABS will only set on fire and I think many appliances with plastic will be the same if its exposed to extreme temperature so like throwing it into a wood fire which it then needs to be exposed to for a small period for it to melt and then boil for the fumes to ignite. Now to me if lets say the compressor gets so HOT that it then starts to melt and boil ABS for the fumes coming of the ABS to ignite then I think its the tool which needs looking at to prevent this as the tools should not do this in or out of a box as either way in or out of the box its dangerous. If it was due to an electrical fault and a sudden short circuit causes this short burst of heat and flame this would not last long enough to set ABS on fire but just melt it. JMB I just spontaneously combusted trying to read that.  |
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« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2011, 04:53 PM » |
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I don't think it's a matter of the ABS catching on fire, it's more likely about the potential of a fire from a completely enclosed compressor.
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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2011, 06:19 PM » |
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The enclosure is not fire rated.
That is what it boils down to. Same with a compressor in a systainer.
Line it with asbestos and you would be golden.
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2011, 05:34 PM » |
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i think the vac-sys is a compressor in a systainer.
isn't it?
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2011, 01:25 PM » |
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What is so great about having a compressor in a box? I have one with wheels on it, and I can wheel it wherever I want and not carry it. I know these are smaller compressors but I think some people just get so crazed about systainers that they think they are the answer to everything.
they are WAY overpriced plastic boxes. festool could sell them for a lot less and still make money on them.
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2011, 01:39 PM » |
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What is so great about having a compressor in a box? I have one with wheels on it, and I can wheel it wherever I want and not carry it. I know these are smaller compressors but I think some people just get so crazed about systainers that they think they are the answer to everything.
they are WAY overpriced plastic boxes. festool could sell them for a lot less and still make money on them.
Storage! Especially in a Van! The width and depth dimensions are the same only height is different making it very easy to rack your Van out to maximise space! Aswell as being able to put your systainer any where in your racking as it will fit any where is a lot more productive as it saves time when packing up. Also when your on a job its looks very tidy when you have packed up at the end of the day and have all your systainers stacked up in a corner if you was to leave your tools on the job the for another day. Having odd size boxes and tools like compressors so your not able to stack them looks untidy and waists space! and for your van the odd size boxes and tools then have to go into specific places in your van waisting time and space. Also when you have racked your van out for random size boxes and tools and then! One of your tools breaks and you need to buy a new tool which comes in a different size shape box OR if you just bought a new tool to add to your tool collection! you would have to modify your van racking to suite your new replaced tool OR an extra tool. So umm No they are not over rated! JMB |
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2011, 01:50 PM » |
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It's a european thing. I like stacking the tools but I think there has to be a line drawn as to what is stuffed into one. compressors need to cool off and not overheat. My tools go in the trailer most of the jobsites at the end of the day unless we can leave them setup. My trailer is organized and neat.
my biggest issues with systainers is if you want something in the middle of a tall stack you have to move and unlock a bunch above it to get to it. don't get me wrong, I do like them for the festools that I currently own, but there is no way i will spend hundreds of dollars on empty ones just to store things.
they don't need to cost so much for abs plastic boxes.
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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2012, 01:29 AM » |
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i store any tool that can be stored in systainers i printed pictures of every tool and put it on the box..i can take in a minivan all the tools needed to build a house from a to z including fine furniture...i even squeezed a senco fusion 16 ga in a sys3 tlock...but a compressor in a sys even if they make it of aluminum ar a fire proof box that is compatible with systainers would be great to use specially and mostly with a pinner ...the think is i don"t leave tools at a job (brooklyn,ny in 10 years i had them stolen 2 times ,all tools aprox 10k at one time ) so taking it in and out every day is very easy with sys...at home i have a wall full of them..when i start a job i just look at the wall and i know what i need for that job ,i put it on the handtruck to the car ....for bigger tools i have the black plastic boxes(25pc) from home depot aprox $7 each...everything goes in boxes with labels on them...it change my work completely...i really thought its impossible to get organized before i found the systainers ..and that's only 3 years ago...people think "the plastic boxes are expensive"...3 guys waiting for you because u need to jump to the closest lumberyard to pick up some blade or anchors or anything else that u thought u have....that's expensive...it used to happen to me....now i have any kind of screw anchor bit blade at hand..i rest my case
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2012, 12:22 AM » |
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I was finally able to pick up a compressor on the cheap ($20) that has tanks that will fit in a systainer 4 or if necessary a 5. It will have to be modified. I suspect that the compressor 'head' will not hold up as it is a low end brand compressor.
For me it is all about the foot print in my truck. The Porter-Cable pancake that I currently use does not stack on anything well and nothing stacks on top it. That is 18-24 inches or more of vertical space that is underutilized. Additionally, I suspect that I will have room within for storing my 50ft hose and maybe a finish gun or two.
I have no intention of modifying the systainer to do this in case it turns into an epic failure. For no more than I cycle a compressor in my day to day use I suspect that having the lid open enough for the hose & cord to escape will provide enough air for it to operate without overheating.
As for noise, if I am going to cycle a compressor so much that it will bother me I usually set it outside the door or in a closet or some other room I am not working in.
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« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2012, 09:44 PM » |
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i store any tool that can be stored in systainers i printed pictures of every tool and put it on the box..i can take in a minivan all the tools needed to build a house from a to z including fine furniture...i even squeezed a senco fusion 16 ga in a sys3 tlock...but a compressor in a sys even if they make it of aluminum ar a fire proof box that is compatible with systainers would be great to use specially and mostly with a pinner ...the think is i don"t leave tools at a job (brooklyn,ny in 10 years i had them stolen 2 times ,all tools aprox 10k at one time ) so taking it in and out every day is very easy with sys...at home i have a wall full of them..when i start a job i just look at the wall and i know what i need for that job ,i put it on the handtruck to the car ....for bigger tools i have the black plastic boxes(25pc) from home depot aprox $7 each...everything goes in boxes with labels on them...it change my work completely...i really thought its impossible to get organized before i found the systainers ..and that's only 3 years ago...people think "the plastic boxes are expensive"...3 guys waiting for you because u need to jump to the closest lumberyard to pick up some blade or anchors or anything else that u thought u have....that's expensive...it used to happen to me....now i have any kind of screw anchor bit blade at hand..i rest my case
How does the senco fit? The case senco provides is a disgrace |
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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2012, 10:08 AM » |
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neat, makes me reconsider the 1010 I saw on Cl fo 75$. But I meant the senco fusion nailer |
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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2012, 10:30 AM » |
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neat, makes me reconsider the 1010 I saw on Cl fo 75$. But I meant the senco fusion nailer Green, how long have you had your fusion? Reliable so far? |
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« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2012, 08:33 PM » |
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Could I direct you to the new T-Loc systainer compressor from Schneider airsystems a sister firm of Festool.  http://www.schneider-airsystems.de/Produkte/Seiten/Produktdetailansicht.aspx?pid=A911000&name=SysMaster-SYM-150-8-6-WXOF Looks pretty swish. Would like one with orange trim please.  |
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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2012, 09:16 PM » |
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Good so far, not a ton of use. (-) Leaves a seriously big hole, if I could do it again, I'd get the 16 gauge instead Hard to precisely aim Having to switch off is annoying (otherwise you kill the battery) Actually the switch altogether is a bit lame Not the best ergos ever Worst case ever (+) Convenient as heck quick recharge to bang out a few last nails is handy Extra battery if you register no gas! Did I mention convenient as heck? Oh yeah....no gas! I don't mind the gas per se...just hate that it goes bad, can't deal with cold etc. If you have any other questions lmk neat, makes me reconsider the 1010 I saw on Cl fo 75$. But I meant the senco fusion nailer Green, how long have you had your fusion? Reliable so far? |
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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2012, 09:21 PM » |
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Got a picture? Did you put yours in a sys3 too? Just go with the Senco Fusion nail guns. They fit in the sYstainers and you don't need and air compressor, tanks or a way to fill them.  |
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« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2012, 09:26 AM » |
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Got a picture? Did you put yours in a sys3 too? Just go with the Senco Fusion nail guns. They fit in the sYstainers and you don't need and air compressor, tanks or a way to fill them. Yep. Fits the 18 and 16 ga with charger and 3 batteries. Might be a Sys 4 |
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« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2012, 09:30 AM » |
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Can someone translate that for me? I need to know the scfm at 90psi |
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« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2012, 09:50 AM » |
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« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2012, 01:36 PM » |
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for that price it needs to make coffee too!
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