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Offline BigfootBuilder

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Dado capability for the TS55
« on: June 23, 2016, 04:00 AM »
Does this exist, or is it NAINA? 

A dado pack for the track saw, I suppose it would have to include a wider outer plate for the extra width, but maybe the motor doesn't produce enough torque/power for that much more rotational mass? It's one of the main reasons that these things don't replace table saws entirely.

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Offline Kev

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 04:59 AM »
Even bigger available for the HK132

For the inch-o-files, that's a 13.8" blade giving a 5.2" cut.

http://www.festool.com.au/CS-132-350mm-Circular-Saw

http://www.festool.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/tooltechnic/MediaGallery/files/festool-catalogue/06-Sawing-Carpentry-2013-14.pdf

In Oz the HK85 is said to be arriving in September and I'm looking forward to the groove unit as I'm not a fan of dado stacks on a table saw (I just don't feel safe with them) so I currently address the process with a router, albeit more slowly.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 08:51 AM »
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Offline ear3

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 07:03 AM »
HK(C)55 is coming to the US in the Fall, som perhaps that will be followed up at some point by the 85?
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Offline slalom

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 09:50 PM »
I had read that dado sets were not available in Europe for safety reasons. Are the cutter heads that much safer?

Offline Holmz

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 10:33 AM »
I had read that dado sets were not available in Europe for safety reasons. Are the cutter heads that much safer?

Well I do not know... but they are Euro approved, and the dado stack is not.
It appears to be well though out.

Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 11:36 AM »
As Holmz indicated, if you'd like a plunge cutting saw with an expanding cutter head you'd be well served by the MF 26cc. The cutter expands from 5/8" to 1-1/8", includes a cross cutting track, comes in 120v, and is readily available in North America.
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Offline Peter Parfitt

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 12:20 PM »
I appreciate that people want a dado head in order to setup a cut and do it in one or maybe two passes but...

I use my CMS-TS for rebate work and now do dados with it as well. If the width is under 6 mm then I will do it in 3 passes with the blade as is. If it is much more I may consider doing the edge cuts on the CMS-TS and then the rest on the router table.

I used to marvel at Norm using his Dado stack on his show on PBS with no safety guard and just "these, safety glasses".

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Offline Holmz

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 07:04 PM »
I appreciate that people want a dado head in order to setup a cut and do it in one or maybe two passes but...

I use my CMS-TS for rebate work and now do dados with it as well. If the width is under 6 mm then I will do it in 3 passes with the blade as is. If it is much more I may consider doing the edge cuts on the CMS-TS and then the rest on the router table.

I used to marvel at Norm using his Dado stack on his show on PBS with no safety guard and just "these, safety glasses".

Peter

I think that would apply to everyone without a dado stack on a table saw.

It is like saying, "I do not deed a domino, For a mortise I can use a drill and a chisel". While it is Completely true it does not change that some tools are purpose built and game changers.

Offline grbmds

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2016, 12:15 AM »
Sorry, guys, but I have always liked the results from a router or router mounted in a table. It might take a little longer but the bottoms of the dadoes or grooves are always completely flat and smooth. I have found the router to be much more accurate also. I did buy a Freud set when I have my old table saw, but used it only once and didn't really like the results. Now it sits on a shelf and won't work with my current table saw anyway, so I will probably just sell it soon. I won't buy another one.
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Offline Kev

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2016, 02:40 AM »
Sorry, guys, but I have always liked the results from a router or router mounted in a table. It might take a little longer but the bottoms of the dadoes or grooves are always completely flat and smooth. I have found the router to be much more accurate also. I did buy a Freud set when I have my old table saw, but used it only once and didn't really like the results. Now it sits on a shelf and won't work with my current table saw anyway, so I will probably just sell it soon. I won't buy another one.

100% agree.

Going to be really interesting to see what sort of result the grooving set leaves. Till then I'll continue to use a router too [wink]

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2016, 04:24 AM »
Sorry, guys, but I have always liked the results from a router or router mounted in a table. It might take a little longer but the bottoms of the dadoes or grooves are always completely flat and smooth. I have found the router to be much more accurate also. I did buy a Freud set when I have my old table saw, but used it only once and didn't really like the results. Now it sits on a shelf and won't work with my current table saw anyway, so I will probably just sell it soon. I won't buy another one.

100% agree.

Going to be really interesting to see what sort of result the grooving set leaves. Till then I'll continue to use a router too [wink]

Having seen (and filmed) the UK's Phil Beckley using the HK85 I can tell you that the results with the grooving attachment are very good indeed.

Peter

Offline slalom

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2016, 10:06 AM »
Sorry, guys, but I have always liked the results from a router or router mounted in a table. It might take a little longer but the bottoms of the dadoes or grooves are always completely flat and smooth. I have found the router to be much more accurate also. I did buy a Freud set when I have my old table saw, but used it only once and didn't really like the results. Now it sits on a shelf and won't work with my current table saw anyway, so I will probably just sell it soon. I won't buy another one.

I suppose that it is time to change my thinking, or my router. The first kitchen that I built was over 25 years ago. I still have the same router. It is a beast of a machine and difficult to control. Turn it on and the torque is instant [scared]. From then on, when I could, I used hand tools. Apparently my using a Record 044c combination plane qualifies me as a museum piece!

Offline Job and Knock

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Re: Dado capability for the TS55
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2016, 05:12 AM »
I had read that dado sets were not available in Europe for safety reasons.
An extremely common misconception often repeated on the 'net. Stacked saw dado sets can be bought in Europe, but most table saws sold since the 1990s have not been able to accommodate them because the arbors are too short. Current safety regulation in the UK tends towards using these on radial arm saws where it is relatively straight forward to provide extremely good guarding (the main perceived use is for tasks such as cutting housings, or cross grain groooves, as usd in shelving - rebates aong the full length tend to be cut using spindle moulders or routers). That said at least two saw firms, Scheppach and Felder, sell 2-piece expanding grooving blocks which incorporate the same chip limitation technology that all modern spindle moulder (shaper) blocks in Europe are obliged to incorporate. Those manufacturers also sell guarding designed to be used with grooving cutters. This is a different and safer technology than the stacked dado set, but a lot more expensive.

Are the cutter heads that much safer?
Yes. if you are unfortunate enough to end up having a finger pulled-in the chip limiter cutter it minimises injury and naturally tends to throw the hand out and away from the block. With adequate guarding, properly designed push sticks and not being stupid enough to get your hands within 12in of a cutter block the cut limitation should never be needed. I've seen the result of a hand accidentally contacting a chip limiter rebate block (operator error) - whilst it wasn't pretty, it was a far less serious injury that it would have been with older cutter blocks
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