I had the option to buy tools without the Systainers.

I'm 'way past hauling tools to jobsites(I haul my plans, some nails and my not-insubstantial a** , maybe a few 2x4s at the most), use my tools in my shop and have plenty of organization already in place. So the Sys boxes wind up just absorbing space I have better use for.

Sure I can sell them, but what will I get for them and how much time will I have to spend in the process?

So I'd really prefer the option not to buy them in the first place. I wouldn't expect a full retail discount but anything would be better than having to find a place to store them, dealing with Craigslist ads, or feeling bad about putting them on the curb on Friday(putting them on the curb doesn't exactly strike me as being "Green").

Consider: The LR32 system, #583291 at $425.00: The 583290 hole drilling set, the clamps, and the bits all total $364. So it would cost me $61.00 for a SYS 1 and the plastic inserts which I don't need. In this case I had the option to buy the 583290 and the bits (since I already have clamps) for close to $100 less and still get everything I needed to use the 32mm system(which rocks!). So I bought an extra 5mm bit and a couple of quick clamps. Festool ended up with a little more of my money and I ended up with more tools that I could actually put to use. What you'd call a win-win situation.

But how much of what I paid for the OF 1400, the TS 55 or the OF1010 could I have saved to spend on accessories if I hadn't had to pay for the Sys 2 or 3 cases? Festool got my money, I got plastic boxes that are valueless to me and will cost me time and effort to dispose of. I'd call that a win-lose situation with me on the dirty end of the stick....

I'm sure this has been hammered to death in the forum and I'm spitting into the wind, but this particular discussion is called the "Festool Wish List" so here's mine...

Best,
Bill

P.S. Anyone who need an OF 1010, OF 1400 or TS55 Systainer and is willing to meet me on my schedule between the Wade Green exit on I-75 and the Towne Lake exit on 575 is welcome to them. Just get in touch.

Even though I have lots of systainers and my family and I use them for use them for lots of purposes other than storing tools, I agree with you that Festool in North America should give us the option of buying tools without systainers.  They provide this choice in many other parts of the world.

oh, i am really surprised that this option is naina. in germany you can always get for example the of 1400 ebq or the of 1400 ebq-plus, the plus-version being the one that comes in a systainer. you can order all the tools in a cardboard box (although i wouldnt, because for me, the systainers are a very important "system" feature).

Of course you can, but as Bill said in the post that kicked off this thread, it should not be necessary to go through the hassle of doing so.

I can see why dealers would not be in favour of this.  They would have to carry extra inventory.

I have one systainer filled with extra plug-it cords and another with vac bags.  Might fit one out to store all those router accessories.

Seriously, I would love the option to buy a tool without the systainer.

Some of you guys are as hard to please as a woman.

I'm the complete opposite. Systainers allow me to function and organize my tiny shop. (Tiny being 7 by 12.) With the systainers being so modular I can keep the tools organized and clear of the work I am doing. Moving a stack of systainers takes seconds if I need to create space. The same cannot be said for a shelf or contents on a shelf. I find tools on a shelf to be a PITA as tools and accessories can become separated (i.e. guide rods or cords.)

I can see at some point I will have to build an addition or get a new shop in order to get new tools regardless if they come in a systainer or not!

Brad

i would never dream of having the tools without the systainer. i will take them out in the shop to use them but keep the accesories in them with the sys close at hand. it is amazing how much space is saved with the systainer system . i will buy more to put other tools in them soon.
i think this part of the system is the best.
the time saved moving the tools around and bringing on site will easily pay for them.

Ditto that.

While I do like the idea of being able to buy tools without Systainers, I do like them for their ability to kep the tools and accessories all together.  For the record, I work almost exclusively in my own shop, not onsite.

On another forum, I read a suggestion to fill unused/unwanted Systainers with concrete and make a flight of stairs.  Kinda like a Tansu.

If it were not for Systainers I would be in trouble in my shop/garage.  Everything is on wheels because I probably spend 10 percent f my time shifting tools around when I'm working.  So there are stacks of Systainers on wheels in almost constant motion.  Each stack is organized by type of tool, routers, saws, hand tools, and my favorite/least favorite screws (opening and closing Systainers to find the right fastener because I haven't got around to labeling the contents).  Because of limited shelf and wall space if it were not or Systainers I would not have the tools that make working in my shop enjoyable.  Plus on those occasions when a friend needs a project done I load the Systainers I need in the back of the SUV and I'm off, confident that I have everything I need (like that has ever happened).