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Offline Gru

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Festool Home products
« on: July 15, 2014, 12:58 PM »
This weekend I was cleaning our house and using a Hoover Floormate for the hardwood floors, and a Hoover HEPA vac for the carpets... why couldn't Festool offer something in this market? Seems that they have an Apple like design sensibility that many people appreciate... and their tools have a following, but are viewed by outsiders as overpriced (much like Macs). Seems like a hepa home vac or floor cleaner could be popular, and be their "iPod" that brings them out of just tools to home as well.

Or maybe I just need a CT midi to vacuum the stairs... yeah thats it. And a Shinex for the floors. ;D

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Offline Tom Bellemare

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 01:00 PM »
We use a CT MINI with Universal Cleaning Kit and Turbo Suction Brush to clean the house.


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Offline SittingElf

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 01:20 PM »
Festool generally doesn't make a product unless it can show a significant improvement over existing products.

Dyson currently OWNS the high end home vacuum market. It would be really difficult for Festool to come out with a product that would significantly improve on the Dysons....which are also in the same price class as Festool products.

As Tom said, you can always drag around a CT, but for dedicated home use, I can't think of how Festool could come up with a better product than the Dysons, other than a similar capable product in Green!

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 01:29 PM »
I have no personal experience with them, but the German company Miele is supposed to make very good vacuums.

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Offline Throwback7r

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 01:30 PM »
I have a Miele coffee station and it is great.

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 01:39 PM »
I had an apartment in Amsterdam that was remodeled right before I moved in. It had all new Miele appliances and they are top notch.


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Offline Distinctive Interiors

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 01:49 PM »
Certainly, when it comes to fitted kitchen appliances, Miele are still regarded as top notch here in the UK.

Having a 10 year warranty does help as well.....!!!!!

I have fitted quite a few over the years, and have always been impressed with their design and build quality, but all this does come at a price! Just like Festool really...... [big grin]


Offline jimbouk

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 01:53 PM »
Yeah miele are good quality but i think seimens are close these days although not that much diff in price.

Gaggenau on the other hand, now thats top class with prices to match.
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Offline Walk On Wood

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 02:05 PM »
As a high end hardwood floor guy, I use and recommend Miele exclusively for my customers.  There is nothing else close when you consider performance vs. value in the canister market. 
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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2014, 02:20 PM »
I had a Miele several years ago and loved it.  The issue was that parts and bags were ridiculously expensive.  I had to replace the powered head and found it less expensive overall to buy a top-end Riccar which had stronger suction than the Miele.  Riccar bags are far less expensive, too, and they're HEPA-certified.  With two big dogs, it makes quite a difference. 

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2014, 02:43 PM »
I use 3M replacement bags... They end up being about $1/each.  My older Miele is about 4 years old, only issue I've had is the switch went out within 6 months, was fixed under warranty.  My newer one is about 2 1/2 years old, no issues on that one yet.  I would estimate each one sees roughly 10 hours of use a week, which i would guess is about 10 times as much as what an average homeowner would use it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2014, 03:29 PM »
Yeah miele are good quality but i think seimens are close these days although not that much diff in price.

Gaggenau on the other hand, now thats top class with prices to match.

The majority of the appliances that I sell are Siemens and  they are very good. But, certainly not the same price as Miele, that's for sure....!!!!

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 04:14 PM »
I agree the miele vacuums are great never had any issues with ours and my wife uses it daily for dog hair

Toby where do you get 3M bags for the vac? I'd like to try them

We've also got a washer/dryer and dishwasher love all three and have them spec'd in a new house
Can't say enough good about them like festools not cheap but worth the price

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 04:14 PM »
Yeah miele are good quality but i think seimens are close these days although not that much diff in price.

Gaggenau on the other hand, now thats top class with prices to match.

The majority of the appliances that I sell are Siemens and  they are very good. But, certainly not the same price as Miele, that's for sure....!!!!

Tim.
Yeah true but depends on which ones. Just got a siemens fridge freezer and it was only 100 quid less than miele.
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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 01:06 PM »
I haven't ever considered Miele... will need to check them out next. My wife likes Dyson, but I hate the dust cloud when dumping the bin. Picked up a Hoover HEPA based on good reviews, but she claims the bag vacs have a "smell".


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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 03:01 PM »
We have the CT22 for the house, my wife loves it.  She says it is the best vacuum we have had.
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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2014, 04:48 PM »
I use 3M replacement bags... They end up being about $1/each.  My older Miele is about 4 years old, only issue I've had is the switch went out within 6 months, was fixed under warranty.  My newer one is about 2 1/2 years old, no issues on that one yet.  I would estimate each one sees roughly 10 hours of use a week, which i would guess is about 10 times as much as what an average homeowner would use it.
  Our Miele Red Star Canister unit is from 1999.  Other than bags, filters and a check-over about every 5 years, the only thing we've worn out is the powered turbo brush.  The motor just got worn out over time inside of it.  Was our first experience with a HEPA vacuum unit.  Made getting my first CT in 2004 that much easier since I knew my wife would not be coughing from the exhaust air of a really good HEPA vacuum since it's not spewing fine dust all over the place.
 Tight, compact storage of tools and many of the attachment tools work with the 27mm hose of Festool quite well.
 I use the small round brush from Miele for fast, delicate clean-up before finishing something or applying stain.
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Offline VW MICK

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2014, 05:26 PM »
We did use a 110v Henry Hoover in the house for a few years

The wife did get the hump dragging the transformer around the house to run it

Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2014, 03:19 PM »
As everyone's said the quality and innovation of Miele products is outrageous. Ive got a Miele dishwasher and I can fit 2x dishes into and and they get twice as clean as anything I've ever seen... There's even models that open themselves after the clean cycle to help air dry. Their stuffs really slick across the board.

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2014, 03:57 PM »
I haven't ever considered Miele... will need to check them out next. My wife likes Dyson, but I hate the dust cloud when dumping the bin. Picked up a Hoover HEPA based on good reviews, but she claims the bag vacs have a "smell".

She probably won't care for the Miele then. Like any other bagged vacuum, it develops a smell after a short while. I typically toss the bags when they are 1/4 full for that reason. The Dyson rules the house. I fill the canister and dump it weekly. Is rather not have the air "filtered" through the crud the vacs pick up in the house. No wonder it stinks. Unfortunately the Dyson chokes on the thick pile in the master bedroom, so I keep a bagged vacuum around for that. The Dyson has a lot of fragile plastic bits and pieces. If it lasts 5 years I'll be happy. The Miele reminds me very much of the festool vacs. Same smooth quiet motor. Not the brute suction of the others, but the variable suction does come in handy at times.
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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2014, 04:04 PM »
Miele is highly regarded here as well and Bosch/Electrolux (which are the same btw. just different badging like VW, Seat and Audi) and especially in their outrageously expensive Professional line you can still get dishwashers that run a full cycle in 30min and don't try to be tree huggers with water consuption and actually clean the dishes. Also their fridge / freezer combos have separate compressors for the fridge and freezer (at least the top models) which is lightyears ahead of anything from Elux (our freezer stutters and dips in temp when I put a warm pot of soup in the Elux fridge I have [mad] -> Have to put superpower (coolmatic & frostmatic) on to get back up from that slump - the darn thing doesn't recover on its own)

Gaggenau is a totally different story altogether - their stuff is top notch and kinda in between a professional restaurant gear and a high-end home kitchen. If you like the production sort of look and have way too much dosh to throw at your kitchen go Gaggenau  [cool]

If I had the money to redo our kitchen I would throw out every Bosch and Electrolux appliance there and replace them with Miele Professional stuff. But while waiting for that Lottery win I'll just have to settle for getting a repairman in every year to fix the next broken thing in the kitchen  [mad]

In the 9 years we have had our current kitchen
- the dishwasher has had a broken water pump
- all plastic parts of the dishwasher have disintegrated with detergents and needed replacement in it (rollers, water concuits for top basket)
- one fridge/freezer combo a broken compressor
- one induction hotplate a broken transformer
- one oven front window got smashed due to it falling down on the floor by itself (a design failure of just friction fit stoppers keeping the glass in place in vertical dadoes)
- one oven heating element catching fire due to short circuit and
- the clothe dryer a blocked water pump due to lint getting through the filters to block it... Talk about Bosch/Electrolux quality - NOT!

And only two of these were covered with warranty  [censored]
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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2014, 04:25 PM »
I agree the miele vacuums are great never had any issues with ours and my wife uses it daily for dog hair

Toby where do you get 3M bags for the vac? I'd like to try them

We've also got a washer/dryer and dishwasher love all three and have them spec'd in a new house
Can't say enough good about them like festools not cheap but worth the price

I buy them on Amazon.  Apparently prices have gone up since i last bought (I bought 200 bags about a year and a half ago) This is the best deal i saw with a quick search http://www.amazon.com/Miele-FJM-Filtration-Canister-Filtrete/dp/B008GRCOZ8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1405628549&sr=8-3&keywords=miele+fjm+vacuum+bags
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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2014, 06:54 PM »
Dyson currently OWNS the high end home vacuum market. It would be really difficult for Festool to come out with a product that would significantly improve on the Dysons.

Dyson vacs are horribly noisy and last about 5 minutes longer than their warranty. We'll be going to something else next (after several Dysons) ... I still like their little cordless job, but the bigger things are tomorrow's junk.

... and how hard is is to engineer a reasonably quiet domestic vacuum? [eek] I think the Dyson has probably damaged my wife's hearing!

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2014, 06:50 AM »
My mother has been using an old shop vac to sweep the floor at home, after having gone through a number of the homeowner-type vacs designed for pets (two dogs) and having the motors basically burn out trying to deal with the dog fur getting picked up.

I've never cared much for the homeowner vacs anyway.  I'd rather use a shop vac (or even better a Festool CT) when I need to run one.  Now that the dogs have pressed the issue, I think she is finally catching up with that.

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2014, 09:01 AM »
+1 for Miele in general.

We have Miele oven, dishwasher, washing machine and tumble dryer.

We started with the washing machine and tumble dryer 10 years ago and we've never regretted it. We have 3 young boys so we use the washing machine daily. Top quality!
The oven was bought 5 years ago. Top quality!
The dishwasher was bought last year. Top quality! (We had a Siemens before that...it died after approx. 6 years.)

We've had 2 Siemens vacuum cleaners (won tests at the time we bought them). They died too soon.
Then my wife bought an Electrolux (also model of the year at the time)...never liked it! The bags are laughably small...and it's beginning to fall apart. Next time I'll buy a Miele vacuum cleaner as I've only heard good about their vacuum cleaners.

And the same goes for the fridge, freezer and cooking plate (is it called a cooking plate?)...next time = MIELE!

30 yrs ago I got educated as electrician and repaired quite a number of kitchen and household appliances. Miele was at the time the brand with fewest repairs (consumer market).

I can only recommend that brand.

Power tools = Festool
Household appliances = Miele ;-)

Have a nice summer.
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Offline rizzoa13

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2014, 07:43 PM »
Also their fridge / freezer combos have separate compressors for the fridge and freezer (at least the top models) which is lightyears ahead of anything from Elux (our freezer stutters and dips in temp when I put a warm pot of soup in the Elux fridge I have [mad] -> Have to put superpower (coolmatic & frostmatic) on to get back up from that slump - the darn thing doesn't recover on its own)

We recently looked at the Miele and Gaggenau counter depth fridges and were leaning towards the Gaggenau until we actually saw it in person. While it is so far ahead of any other columns in quality the size of the shelves is unrealistic. I dont care if you just keep a 6-pack in there its not big enough. Because they make these fridges with tiny shelves on the back side of the door you get extremely shallow normal shelves. 

We didn't want to be those people that got a Sub-zero but because of the glass door there isn't a shelf on the backside of the door, and the regular shelves are still a great depth. Even beyond that the Sub-zero has build quality that you'd expect in the aerospace industry, just amazing. I obviously can't say enough good about it.

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Re: Festool Home products
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2014, 08:17 PM »
While we're on the topic of cookers, I'll raise a big negative for ILVE. Over priced and poorly designed ... just cosmetically beautiful.