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« on: December 07, 2011, 03:01 PM » |
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Folding Canopies are very nice to have for jobs which require setting up a work area outdoors. in the direct daylight, the Kapex lasers are useless, not to mention all the obvious disadvantages of setting up in someones driveway or yard... I have a small picnic/beach size folding canopy which is fine for my saw station, but not alot more... and then I have a huge one that functions as a portable garage/carport that makes a nice outdoor mobile work shop, but is really too large and cumbersome to carry and setup...
something that is just right in size would be really great and with the current trends in remodeling work, I suspect many would be interested in having something like this.
I'm thinking something long enough to cover the entire length of the saw station, but with a narrow enough width to be used for the saw station with an MFT or 2 setup behind the operator (14-16ft long by 7-8ft wide?) of course if this were made by Festool, it would be superior in every regard, lightweight, clever beyond imagination, and easily transported and used... optional curtain walls could be added for inclement weather, and it could double for use as interior partitions for total dust containment when working inside an occupied / furnished residence.
I'm envisioning the Festool blu-Black color for the canopy, anodized aluminum structure and this PERFECT size portable canopy setup on the job I worked at yesterday, and the mental picture I draw, is something I would go out and buy the moment it became available!
what do you think? would you buy something like this and do you have any ideas to add to this idea?
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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set ; another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold... OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ; RS2 ; and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 03:42 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 04:10 PM » |
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I was going to laugh it off, but it's not a bad design. Like a backpackers tent for a SCMS- and I just about could curl up back there for a lunch nap!
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 04:16 PM » |
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GREAT!, another item sold in Europe that I can't seem to get ahold of... any idea how I could get one of these? this is perfect for my rough work setup (the DeWalt saw/stand recently became the "outside dog" for framing/decks and other outdoor "rougher" type work, and that tent is just fantastic for this! I am still envisioning something a bit different for the Festool Kapes/Kapex UG and a pair of MFT tables behind me... drop down barrier walls, standard Festool engineering so it is multifunctional and beyond anything else imaginable, you guys know what I mean
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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set ; another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold... OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ; RS2 ; and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 04:43 PM » |
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I use a garden popup Gazebo think it only cost me £30, takes seconds to put up and its big about 10ft x 10ft.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 05:09 PM » |
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It would need a Festool sausage sandwich dispenser built in 
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 05:23 PM » |
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I used one of these while building the house. You can also get sides for it to enclose in bad weather, and a bug screen side. It folds up in a bag about the size of a golf club bag. First Up Canopy
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2011, 05:44 PM » |
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Or you could just set up inside the house with the CT.  I don't know about you,but dark color gets really hot when it's sunny!!!! HAPPY SWEATING!
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I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2011, 09:20 PM » |
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overhead dust collection and power cords integrated into the structure... no more tripping over hoses and cords
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 09:34 PM » |
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How solid are these, they look like they'd turn into a parachute at the slightest hint of a breeze. Lately it seems I've been noticing guys working outside just leaving their power tools outside while it's raining...I'm just like  I used one of these while building the house. You can also get sides for it to enclose in bad weather, and a bug screen side. It folds up in a bag about the size of a golf club bag. First Up Canopy
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 10:09 PM » |
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How solid are these, they look like they'd turn into a parachute at the slightest hint of a breeze. Lately it seems I've been noticing guys working outside just leaving their power tools outside while it's raining...I'm just like  I used one of these while building the house. You can also get sides for it to enclose in bad weather, and a bug screen side. It folds up in a bag about the size of a golf club bag. First Up CanopyI had mine tied to barn framing... You'll want to stake the legs down (included) or put some weight on them.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2011, 10:41 PM » |
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overhead dust collection and power cords integrated into the structure... no more tripping over hoses and cords
I would love to see UL consider that.  The strain relief on the cord as the canopy becomes air born in the once every 100 years wind might be an issue. 
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The tools in my truck were talking the other day. The Dewalts, PC's, Boschs, Makitas were not happy. They also were in the minority. Their complaint: They felt unused and unappreciated since the Festools moved in. I guess the truth hurts.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2011, 10:51 PM » |
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i used to use one and yes the wind can pick it up,,, one time the wind was so strong it picked it up and blew it all the way to KANSAS !!! lol
but the one you are thinking of having made would be way to bulky and heavy and if festool made it it would last for ever but would run $1,500, of course it would include a 30 day return !!!
but they pop ups work good just if you get to big of one it then takes 2 people to set it up, as mine was 12x12 and I tried to set it up myself and it twisted and got all tweaked out of shape and had to through it out...
I could have used one today as it was raining and I do not have much room in the garage I am working in....
NOW A MARKETING IDEA: YOU CAN buy these from advertising companies and they can print your company name on them with your phone number so when people drive by they know who you are.... it works
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 07:53 AM » |
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...maybe something like this? I believe it is 10x10 feet and 7-8 feet tall. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 02:12 PM » |
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id like some kind of integrated tanks in the legs . when you go to set it up you conect up the hose and all 4 tanks fill at once then casters allow you to open out the cpopy as usual.
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2011, 08:59 PM » |
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...maybe something like this? I believe it is 10x10 feet and 7-8 feet tall.
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Well yeah, that's the same one I linked to.
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id like some kind of integrated tanks in the legs . when you go to set it up you conect up the hose and all 4 tanks fill at once then casters allow you to open out the cpopy as usual.
That's what milk jugs and duct tape are for!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2011, 08:22 AM » |
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I went to a sporting goods store and got a 12x12 on sale for $99 during a rainy week this past summer. Needed to finish the trim for the kitchen and have used it a few times since. Hey its green lol  
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That is a pretty good deal, but as I often do with those irritating little notions that eat at me for a couple days, I got busy searching and messaging... For myself, I am settling on a hexagonal extruded aluminum frame, with all aluminum fittings and clamps (many are plastic fittings on a steel frame) the size is about 10 x 15ft (3m by 4.5m to be exact) and it has 4 walls that each unzip down the middle, or are removable/optional, + 2 additional half walls and frame bar for trade show/conventions or for setting up partial shade walls onsite. also has a wheeled carrying case, like someone mentioned -about the size of a golf bag. last but not lease, it has 30kg sandbags (same material as the tent on the outside for aesthetics) which attach to each leg for stability and stakes + a plethora of little accessories, but if it is that windy/nasty that four 30kg sandbags are questionable, I am working inside or going home for the day anyway... I can get this in any color and with anything printed on it, either screen print or dye sublimination printing (full color) -also digital printing. but to add a Festool stripe and 4 small Festool logos, clean, tasteful and neat, just as Festool would use if it made this, will be done by silkscreen and adds very little to the cost, and then TWO walls + the two half walls are PROBABLY going to get my business name/logo/contact like a big full color sign, so that I can use this for advertising in some instances, or opt for all solid colors, clean and neat for others. the extruded hex profile aluminum frame (clear anodized just like Festool extrusions) is what really sold me on this, as it is incredibly STRONG, extremely LIGHT, and can be carried and setup by one person. there is nearly a month lead time once I place the order, but all in all, it looks like about $1200 by the time it is manufactured and shipped to me. Not really that bad considering everything is high quality and exactly what I want (+ the full color printing on the extra panels is just an incredible advertising capability. this needed to be large enough to use when I setup my Robland X31 onsite and actually, the Kapex UG fully extended + 2 MFT's, dust collection + all the other tools, 10x15 really isn't all that gracious once everything is pulled together and setup. the combination machine has a custom designed trailer that drops, so all I need to do is back the trailer where I want it, lower it and attach the ramp sides. ends up being about 8" off the ground on a solid platform, and is truly FULL SHOP capability onsite, and the tent will cover this entirely and make a nice work area. -Now I just need to find enough work to warrant this! but that is another subject altogether! 
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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set ; another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold... OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ; RS2 ; and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2011, 05:29 PM » |
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I have been considering a 10' x 10' or 12' x 12' for several years. But I work alone and from what has been said they are hard for one person to set up ? As far as a Festool one goes, one more requirement.......... must fit in a Systainer.  Seth
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2011, 12:28 PM » |
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"I setup my Robland X31 onsite" I just had to write that out to see how it felt.
On site stair work makes for a heavy toolbox. No doubt about it. Thanks to Festool, I've gotten away with it minus any heavy equip so far: The CS70, an MFS System, Incra LS Sys. CT, 3 routers, 2 planers, 4 sanders and a whole lot more make it possible.
I have considered a tandem 5th wheel trailer lined with solar cells and pop-outs on both sides.
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2011, 06:36 PM » |
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You use an x31 too, William? I use the daylights out of mine! I originally bought it to replace several machines I no longer had room for, but last year I decided to rig up a small flat trailer so it could be transported easily. -it doesn't come off the trailer... rather, I use it on the trailer as a sort of platform... If I could get my hands on a Festool CMS system, that would solve for all but full on millwork, and I would probably never take it out of the shop again, but for now, it's what I have and the way I have it setup does work very well... I intend to step up (WAYYY UP!) to either a Felder or a Knapp once work picks up and is stable once again.
For you guys in Europe, are European Combinations the norm there? A lot of the marketing I see insinuates Combination machines are the status quo throughout Europe, and I was just wondering if there is truth in that?
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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set ; another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold... OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ; RS2 ; and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2011, 07:52 PM » |
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No, Just the set up I mentioned- plus the Domino and MFT, Those are actually crucial. Most Kombis I've used would need to be recalibrated after a trip on a trailer. 3xKombi machines seem to have peaked in sales in the last decade. I have used them- but personally- I would only have a separate planer. The idea of the shaper built into the TS is very workable for most shops of limited space, and a huge bonus with a feeder. Large horizontal panel saws have a lot of dead space by design. A shaper also fills that void nicely. The Felder sleds are bombproof. One must try to appreciate.
I don't own any Felder machines yet...but it's only a matter of time...
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2011, 08:49 AM » |
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I have been considering a 10' x 10' or 12' x 12' for several years. But I work alone and from what has been said they are hard for one person to set up ? As far as a Festool one goes, one more requirement.......... must fit in a Systainer.  Seth I have a 10 x 10 from Sports Authority. Solo setup requires lifting 3 legs off the ground while pulling open frame and working each one a little at a time in a circular pattern.
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I have been considering a 10' x 10' or 12' x 12' for several years. But I work alone and from what has been said they are hard for one person to set up ? As far as a Festool one goes, one more requirement.......... must fit in a Systainer.  Seth I have a 10 x 10 from Sports Authority. Solo setup requires lifting 3 legs off the ground while pulling open frame and working each one a little at a time in a circular pattern. I do the 12x12 by myself also. Same way and for $99 I have more money for Festools  I thought about having my Company name done on a banner for it but I get all my work by word of mouth even from people I haven't done work for and stay plenty busy in these slim times.
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The tent canopy plan is all sorted out, I just need to come up with the $$$ for product + screenprinting + shipping. FedEx will cost between $300 and $400, shipping by sea only costs $55, but it takes 35 days... I have one of the $99 10x10 canopies, and I wouldn't take it on a jobsite to represent myself... it just loks cheap and ratty, but this is because I have used it for many many things for a long time, my kids have used it, friends have borrowed it. in fact, someone has it now IIRC.. the aluminum extruded frame + all the other nice-ness this one has is well worth the cost IMO, and I am going to order one as soon as I can easily spare the $ so I'll update this when the time comes and show pics when it arrives. as for the portability, the tent folds up and goes into it's own travel case dolly. -like a pull along cart. here's a photo of the mobility cart: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/482813492/hexagonal_aluminum_frame_pop_up_tent/showimage.html?newId=508639776&pn=3&pt=10&t=12&cids=10102646,50067997,213619283and another with better photos of the tent I have chosen (although mine is black with a Festool Green stripe around the top. -no "Festool" logos, because... -well, because it is NOT a Festool product, and while the Chinese company who makes them will print anything anyone pays them to , I have a problem with putting a name on something that it doesn't belong on... anyway, here's the tent, and if you scroll down, you can see closeups of the frame + pitching instructions. they call for 2 people, but the sales guy swears he can set these up by himself very easily, and that he is not a very big guy either... we'll see! in any case, I think these are a far cry from the econo steel frame with plastic joints cheapie popup tents everyone has used or owns, don't you? http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/482813492/hexagonal_aluminum_frame_pop_up_tent.htmlthe conceptial design proofs look really good. it will match my arsenal very nicely 
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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set ; another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold... OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ; RS2 ; and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.
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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2011, 02:15 PM » |
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Been watching this thread for some time... just have to ask is this a solution to problem that does not exist? You can buy these canopies everywhere... They are cheap and last till the first High wind event.
If I need one they are sold close to me.... being that Festool doesn't make them....
Sorry just confused about what and why.... would I want or need to have a one.... Oh wait .... my clothing supplier is calling about my Festool Green work pants.....NOT!
Cheers and happy holidays, Steve
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sure, you can buy the cheap ones everywhere. I have found two in dumpsters just this past year... so: "kick a garbage can and a couple fall out" is appropriate!  the high end ones with anodized hexagonal aluminum frames and screen printed canopy tops/sides... those are not available anywhere unless you order one. and ordering ONE costs quite a lot... gotta get 10-15 for the initial order and ship by sea. otherwise, they aren't cost effective. this probably is the wrong time of the year to have mentioned this. I live in FL where we work outside year round. most of the country is experiencing honest to God WINTER, so having a really nice color coordinated canopy to setup over your $25k tool rig isn't really a need right now. once Spring gets a little closer, perhaps some others might want one??? Happy and safe Holiday to all. Kyle
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Looking to buy: RO150EQ+ ; LR32 guide rails, 3000mm guide rail, parallel guide set ; another TS55 to replace the 1 I sold... OF1010 and additional Festool Routers ; RS2 ; and a FESTOOL BS105 BELT SANDER SET OK, let's face it, I'm always looking for any Festools / accessories.
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