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Offline jbasen

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Impact Chuck
« on: June 18, 2015, 10:21 AM »
Since Festool has dropped their TI 15 impact driver, please adapt this design

http://toolmonger.com/2010/04/14/turn-just-about-any-drill-into-an-impact-driver/

and make an impact driver chuck for each drill (T drills, C drills, etc).  If this was done and priced competitively with the other drill chucks that Festool makes I think it would be an instant best seller as people who currently own a Festool drill would buy one and future drill purchases would likely include one.  It is much easier to take one extra chuck to a job site than another driver with batteries, charger, etc.

Bosch is now challenging Festool with their new Flexiclick so it is up to Festool to step up to the challenge

« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 04:13 PM by jbasen »

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Offline SRSemenza

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 10:29 AM »
Interesting. That would be a great idea to have an impact chuck, making drills to an all in one. One thing I noted though is the size ...... almost 7" long. I think for it to take off as an impact driver it would need to be much , much shorter.

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Offline jnock

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2015, 11:14 AM »
I agree that Festool need to get back into the impact driver market urgently. Whether the best route is an adaptor I couldn't say; the engineering implications are outside my sphere. If it is possible then I can't see how it wouldn't sell.

Personally I would just like to be able buy a Festool impact driver (18volt for preference). My old Bosch 10.8volt model has seen some years service now and is getting close to (enforced through ill health) retirement. I have my eye on the Bosch GDXVECN which has a built in 1/2 inch drive as well as 1/4 inch hex and 3 speeds available. At about £125 in the UK plus another ton for a wireless charging+battery set it looks a bargain.

If Festool had something similar I would place an order straight away and be able to use my existing charger and 14.4/18 volt batteries from my other drill/jigsaw tools.

John

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2015, 05:47 PM »
Thing is, more and more people are looking for an integrated set of cordless tools where the same batteries and chargers are used across a range of tools.
To drop the idea of doing an impact screwdriver nowadays is a total fail as they have become one of the tools that pretty much most people (or at least most who have used one extensively in the past) want.

Even if its not the strongest tool in the lineup its still one people look for and maybe they can put up with something that's not the absolute best one out there as long as the other tools are good.

Not doing an Impact screwdriver will limit their market considerably.

That thing on the front of an already long drill is a bit much. Impact screwdrivers are usually very short and able to reach into tight spaces.

Offline jbasen

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 09:45 PM »
Interesting. That would be a great idea to have an impact chuck, making drills to an all in one. One thing I noted though is the size ...... almost 7" long. I think for it to take off as an impact driver it would need to be much , much shorter.

Seth

I completely agree.  The Mastercraft chuck is very clunky and way too big.  However, if Bosch can make a reasonably sized impact adapter for their Flexclick drill I have no doubt that Festool could do the same. 


Offline sae

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 02:16 AM »
Interesting. That would be a great idea to have an impact chuck, making drills to an all in one. One thing I noted though is the size ...... almost 7" long. I think for it to take off as an impact driver it would need to be much , much shorter.

Seth

I completely agree.  The Mastercraft chuck is very clunky and way too big.  However, if Bosch can make a reasonably sized impact adapter for their Flexclick drill I have no doubt that Festool could do the same.

They don't. You're mixing impact directions.

Offline Alex

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 04:30 AM »
If you see how small impact mechanisms in real impact drivers are, you'd think that easily fit inside a FastFix chuck. I would buy such a chuck, nice to complement my Festool drills.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2015, 03:03 AM by Alex »

Offline jbasen

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 07:56 AM »
Thinking a little more about it, an add-on chuck would seem to be the only way that Festool could bring an impact driver to the NA market in a reasonable amount of time.  A new driver would probably require UL approval and be at least another year away.

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 08:54 PM »
nice to compliment my Festool drills.

+1  [big grin]

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 06:11 PM »
Wish festool would bring out a propper impact  18 v no attachments just loads of torque the ti 15 was rubbish for a lot of reasons manly all the chuck buiseness  its the only tool in my arsenal thats not green  i have a millwaulkee m 18 brushless impact  red and black yuk

Offline TelcoRandy

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 02:22 AM »
An impact adapter wouldn't work so well in a T-Series or C-Series drill because they don't have a high enough RPM to produce enough impacts per minute. Take a look at the RPM of any impact driver, my Milwaukee M12 is 2650RPM.

I could see an adapter possibly working well on a PDC/DRC drill but that would really increase the length. It would be too much of a gimmick to me.

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Offline Kev

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 04:37 AM »
Wish festool would bring out a propper impact  18 v no attachments just loads of torque the ti 15 was rubbish for a lot of reasons manly all the chuck buiseness  its the only tool in my arsenal thats not green  i have a millwaulkee m 18 brushless impact  red and black yuk

Rubbish is extreme, but it's not of the calibre you'd expect from Festool. I like my Centrotec flexibility, so I'll stick with it until they fix their range with 18V option ... though I can seriously hear Metabo calling me and I do have a shopping urge for tomorrow morning [embarassed]

Offline DB10

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2015, 10:32 AM »
I find it really difficult to get excited over an impact driver. My Ti 15 does everything that my Makita did, puts screws in with a lot of noise.
 It's never let me down in 3 years but I never bought the converter chuck to turn it into a drill, just use it as an impact and it's ok.

Offline Darren1972

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2015, 04:26 PM »
I sold my ti 15 after a week as ime in construction 90% of the time and honestly it had no where near as much torque as previous impacts i own which is dissapointing as i have loads of festool sets with batteries i have a m 18 fuel now and it drives anything into anything all day long 5.0 ah 18 v

Offline Darren1972

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2015, 04:27 PM »
Rubish may be the wrong word dissapointing is more appropiate

Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2015, 03:53 AM »
Yes, disappointing is my take on the Ti15, too heavy, to weak and only good at drilling smaller holes. Festool would be better off making a proper 18V Impact, cues to be taken from Hitachi, Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee... (list goes on).

A CXS impact would be SUPER for me (not excluding an 18V impact of course).
That would be a little game changer for my set up for sure. :)
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline Holmz

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2015, 08:03 AM »
Wish festool would bring out a propper impact  18 v no attachments just loads of torque the ti 15 was rubbish for a lot of reasons manly all the chuck buiseness  its the only tool in my arsenal thats not green  i have a millwaulkee m 18 brushless impact  red and black yuk

Rubbish is extreme, but it's not of the calibre you'd expect from Festool. I like my Centrotec flexibility, so I'll stick with it until they fix their range with 18V option ... though I can seriously hear Metabo calling me and I do have a shopping urge for tomorrow morning [embarassed]

239 $AU seems pretty good.
https://sydneytools.com.au/metabo-powermaxx-bs-quick-10-8v-2-0ah-4-0ah-li-ion-cordless-drill-screwdriver-combo-kit?gclid=CjwKEAjwhJmwBRDGsamBu8Pp7FwSJACKD1KH97tNxOK5erSdWjNszmeCuTPyW1OR-_OLklyBKn2Y3RoCj7Pw_wcB

Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2015, 10:45 AM »
Holmz: the grip on the PowerMaxx is as atrocious as the 80's product name. 

[big grin]


(apart from that Metabo do make some great stuff)
Festool:  CS 50EB precisio set, Domino DF500, DF XL 700, OFK500 edge router, OF1010 router EHL65 planer, CTL Mini/Midi Vac, CTL 26 vac MFT800+1080 tables
DSC-AG Grinder,  RAS 115
Rotex 150, ETS EC 150/5 RTS400
Drills: T18, BHC18, CXS.
SysLite KAL II, SYS Rock.
Sys- and Sortainers galore.

Line up has been reduced with the introduction of Mafell/Metabo tools. Red Green and Blue do mix well in the shop.

Offline SoonerFan

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2015, 01:13 PM »
I liked the idea of the Ti15 but was pursuaded to not buy it by comments here on FOG.  Instead I got a T18+3, CXS and a Centrotec set.  These cover almost all of my needs.  For the occasion I need an impact, I kept a Dewalt 18V. 

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2015, 01:24 PM »
I guess I am in a minority, but I really like my TI15. My other Festool drills take care of making round holes. The TI15 does a great job of pounding home lag screws. It's staying in the lineup.
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Offline RobBob

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2015, 02:34 PM »
I liked the idea of the Ti15 but was pursuaded to not buy it by comments here on FOG.  Instead I got a T18+3, CXS and a Centrotec set.  These cover almost all of my needs.  For the occasion I need an impact, I kept a Dewalt 18V.
I did similar only I bought the PDC and TXS and use them with the Bosch 18v impact I already had.   It's an older model,  non-brushless.  I'm very happy with the combo.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2015, 09:14 PM by zxcv »

Offline sae

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2015, 03:15 PM »
I guess I am in a minority, but I really like my TI15. My other Festool drills take care of making round holes. The TI15 does a great job of pounding home lag screws. It's staying in the lineup.

It's all a matter of perspective, have you owned another impact?

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2015, 08:43 PM »
I owned a DeWalt impact. Gave it and 3 other DeWalt drills to a beginning woodworker on a tight budget.
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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2015, 09:04 PM »
I liked the idea of the Ti15 but was pursuaded to not buy it by comments here on FOG.  Instead I got a T18+3, CXS and a Centrotec set.  These cover almost all of my needs.  For the occasion I need an impact, I kept a Dewalt 18V.
I did similar only I bought the PDC and TXS and use them with the Bosch impact I already had.   It's an older model,  non-brushless.  I'm very happy with the combo.

You could have a better Festool drill line up than me......neither was available in the US when I bought mine.  That said, like you, I am happy with my combo.

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2015, 09:32 PM »
I thoroughly like my Ti15 as well. I've never really understood why so many dislike it.
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Offline Nigel

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2015, 05:31 AM »
Only reason I don't have Festool cordless is because they don't have an impact. Seems they are shooting themselves in the foot - I suspect most people try to stay with one manufacturer for cordless.Getting close to needing new now so probably stick with Makita. Tempted by Milwaukee fuel though as well...

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2016, 05:21 PM »
Only reason I don't have Festool cordless is because they don't have an impact. Seems they are shooting themselves in the foot - I suspect most people try to stay with one manufacturer for cordless.Getting close to needing new now so probably stick with Makita. Tempted by Milwaukee fuel though as well...

[Investing in systems]

My DeWalt 18v impact driver completely changed my life for the better. When the batteries stopped holding a charge I started thinking about replacing it, my DeWalt drill/hammer combo, etc with Festool. I bought a Quadrive after the local Festool dealer told me that they drive screws better than an impact driver. I took a chance and am mildly disappointed in that, while it's capable of driving screws, it doesn't do it as effortlessly as an impact driver.

It's a great drill and I'm still getting used to it but it doesn't solve my impact deficit. I like the uniformity of my tools and now that I'm invested in Festool cordless, I don't want to go to Milwaukee or DeWalt because it seems wasteful... and I'm apparently OCD with organization.

I considered getting a discontinued Ti-15 but I apparently can't use my 18v Festool batteries in it.

I'm left somewhat baffled and slightly annoyed at the lack of a Festool 18v impact driver.

Offline Staniam

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2016, 06:22 PM »
Only reason I don't have Festool cordless is because they don't have an impact. Seems they are shooting themselves in the foot - I suspect most people try to stay with one manufacturer for cordless.Getting close to needing new now so probably stick with Makita. Tempted by Milwaukee fuel though as well...

[Investing in systems]

My DeWalt 18v impact driver completely changed my life for the better. When the batteries stopped holding a charge I started thinking about replacing it, my DeWalt drill/hammer combo, etc with Festool. I bought a Quadrive after the local Festool dealer told me that they drive screws better than an impact driver. I took a chance and am mildly disappointed in that, while it's capable of driving screws, it doesn't do it as effortlessly as an impact driver.

It's a great drill and I'm still getting used to it but it doesn't solve my impact deficit. I like the uniformity of my tools and now that I'm invested in Festool cordless, I don't want to go to Milwaukee or DeWalt because it seems wasteful... and I'm apparently OCD with organization.

I considered getting a discontinued Ti-15 but I apparently can't use my 18v Festool batteries in it.

I'm left somewhat baffled and slightly annoyed at the lack of a Festool 18v impact driver.

You have to realize that Festool is a German company, manufactured in Germany, which is in Europe. Europe doesn't use impact drivers so understandably Festool doesnt have a need to put one out there as we here in the US are not their primary market. Would it benefit Festool to make an impact driver for NA? Yeah I'm sure it would, but the rest of the world doesn't use impact drivers like we do. Or at least to the extent of us in the US.
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Offline jbasen

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2016, 06:43 PM »
Only reason I don't have Festool cordless is because they don't have an impact. Seems they are shooting themselves in the foot - I suspect most people try to stay with one manufacturer for cordless.Getting close to needing new now so probably stick with Makita. Tempted by Milwaukee fuel though as well...

[Investing in systems]

My DeWalt 18v impact driver completely changed my life for the better. When the batteries stopped holding a charge I started thinking about replacing it, my DeWalt drill/hammer combo, etc with Festool. I bought a Quadrive after the local Festool dealer told me that they drive screws better than an impact driver. I took a chance and am mildly disappointed in that, while it's capable of driving screws, it doesn't do it as effortlessly as an impact driver.

It's a great drill and I'm still getting used to it but it doesn't solve my impact deficit. I like the uniformity of my tools and now that I'm invested in Festool cordless, I don't want to go to Milwaukee or DeWalt because it seems wasteful... and I'm apparently OCD with organization.

I considered getting a discontinued Ti-15 but I apparently can't use my 18v Festool batteries in it.

I'm left somewhat baffled and slightly annoyed at the lack of a Festool 18v impact driver.

You have to realize that Festool is a German company, manufactured in Germany, which is in Europe. Europe doesn't use impact drivers so understandably Festool doesnt have a need to put one out there as we here in the US are not their primary market. Would it benefit Festool to make an impact driver for NA? Yeah I'm sure it would, but the rest of the world doesn't use impact drivers like we do. Or at least to the extent of us in the US.

Sorry, but I really don't buy that argument.  Metabo and Bosch, two other prominent German tool companies, both offer impact drivers.  Festool is the only manufacturer of drills and other portable power tools, that I can think of, that doesn't.

Like @pedarski I have standardized on 18v Festool batteries so a TI15 simply isn't an option for me either and I don't want to add another battery lineup to the mix.  It is just a frustrating situation.

Offline Staniam

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Re: Impact Chuck
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2016, 06:51 PM »
Well if you don't buy it then I'm sure you'll be pleased once they do release their 18v impact. My guess is this year. Until then, Festool has made their batteries incredibly cheap (price wise) so tracking down the Ti15 even as a bare tool shouldn't eat into the wallet too much.

And as far as other German manufacturers, the ones you listed are sold at big box stores and many other carriers, whereas Festool is not. My guess is Bosch and Metabo probably have the extra funds to put into their line of tools, namely an impact driver. Festool is still much about word of mouth in NA.
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